Poll shows 29 percent of voters think 'armed revolution' might be needed

reply to post by Vasa Croe


I think the benevolent(?) heretic was applying a stereotype to support a political stance.

Americans are not popular right now and taking broad swipes at an entire nation of 300+ million is really nothing new.

Kinda sad but... just as you say, those definitions cover a lot more ground than just North America, lol!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by redoubt

 

I linked the source in my post.

Okee dokee. No problemo.

I thought you had something with some backbonme... like a scientific study that placed us poor, dumb Americans in the same lot with the common housefly. I was curious how you could take so many millions of complete strangers and tie them into a single, bundled stereotype.

There is always that 29% in any poll that are over the deep end.



When you have people that believe the rainbows caused by their lawn sprinklers are a government plot...

I jsut don't know what else to add...

reply to post by Vasa Croe


I agree... Ignorance is not limited to Americans. And I don't put a lot of weight in any polls, especially those with so small a sampling. My point is that there is a pretty solid 25-35% of Americans who believe some pretty crazy things. (according to polls, that is)

reply to post by redoubt

Originally posted by redoubt
I think the benevolent(?) heretic was applying a stereotype to support a political stance.

If you consider that I don't think we need armed revolution to be a political stance, I guess you could be right. I don't. However, if you think I don't support the second amendment, you couldn't be more wrong. And I'm not "taking a swipe at America". I am deeply saddened that we rank 17th (instead of 3rd or 4th) in education among the developed world. Source

Taking a swipe at my username and at me personally isn't conducive to good debate.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

I agree... Ignorance is not limited to Americans. And I don't put a lot of weight in any polls, especially those with so small a sampling. My point is that there is a pretty solid 25-35% of Americans who believe some pretty crazy things. (according to polls, that is)

edit on 5/3/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

I would like to know how many Brits can name the members of their Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. I would bet if you ran the same poll in EVERY country that the results would be the same or worse than in the US. How can you say there is a pretty solid 25-35% when you say you don't put weight in polls and give no other sources for your statement? It is precisely this that irks me....those that "think" they are smarter and have the answer are the ones that typically are wrong and don't want to look stupid when it is pointed out.

To all those folks...I refer to my sig line....

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


My apologies on the question mark by the word, 'benevolent'.

I just can't help but question people who stereotype millions of people they don't know and likely never will. It's the same mindset from which sprouts racism and bigotry, where an entire people can be canned and labeled.

There is a lot of this, and some is based on the shallowest of all human endeavors; politics. But beyond that, there are other things where one's opinion is used like a bludgeon. For instance, people who don't buy into global warming or agree that the current theory of evolution could hold an ounce of water... these people are attacked simply because they see certain topics differently than the next.

So, when your post produced a stereotype based on nothing more than opinion, I thought I'd ask exactly how you could latch on to something like that. I mean, after all... if we come here to deny ignorance to even the smallest degree, turning away from that kind of display has to be included.

The topic of this O/P was in how polls suggest that about one third of Americans think a certain way. If we bite on these polls, then we kind of set ourselves up to be reeled into other things as well.

Thanks for the reply. Have a great day

reply to post by Vasa Croe


In the same study I linked before (Pearson), the UK ranked 6th. Source

Instead of being so defensive about the facts here, I think we need to look at the data and use it to improve our educational system. You can come at me all you want, but it won't change the facts.

This is NOT a poll. Pearson Educational Ranking

Top 20

Finland
South Korea
Hong Kong
Japan
Singapore
UK
Netherlands
New Zealand
Switzerland
Canada
Ireland
Denmark
Australia
Poland
Germany
Belgium
USA
Hungary
Slovakia
Russia

reply to post by redoubt

Originally posted by redoubt
I just can't help but question people who stereotype millions of people they don't know and likely never will.

I did not stereotype anyone! If I had said most of the dumb things are believed by women, THAT would have been a stereotype.

I had no political motivation. Believe whatever you want about that, but you're mistaken.

You have taken this thread entirely off-topic by coming after me personally and I won't to continue to respond.

Armed could mean anything, I mean that's the argument from the anti 2nd amendment crowd. The right to keep and bear arms could mean that arms are baseball bats.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

In the same study I linked before (Pearson), the UK ranked 6th. Source

Instead of being so defensive about the facts here, I think we need to look at the data and use it to improve our educational system. You can come at me all you want, but it won't change the facts.

This is NOT a poll. Pearson Educational Ranking

Top 20

Finland
South Korea
Hong Kong
Japan
Singapore
UK
Netherlands
New Zealand
Switzerland
Canada
Ireland
Denmark
Australia
Poland
Germany
Belgium
USA
Hungary
Slovakia
Russia

Now you are talking about educational standards....completely different than the previous argument. Sure the public education system may be better in the UK and other countries through grade school, but that has nothing to do with the argument at hand and with what you have previously stated about Americans believing crazy things.

That article on ranking is also not taking into account private school systems, only public, and only through the equivalent of high school graduation.

As for higher education I will point you here...

www.guardian.co.uk...

Harvard university has once again topped the Times Higher Education's world reputation ranking of universities. The 2013 rankings, show the US dominating the list with more than 40 institutions in the top 100.

Following Harvard are Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and Cambridge university, taking second and third place respectively. Oxford university has climbed two places since the 2012 rankings, to take fourth place and Stanford university has dropped down to sixth.

The rankings also highlight a big improvement for Australia which now has six universities represented in the top 100 - the third highest representation in the list behind the US and the UK. Australia has two new entries: the university of New South Wales and Monash university.

With nine universities in the top 100, the UK has the second highest number of representatives after the US. University College London (UCL) has moved up one place to 20th and the London School of Economics (LSE) has jumped up to 25th in the latest rankings. Manchester university has entered the top 50 for the first time and Edinburgh university, the only Scottish institution in the list, has moved up three places to 46th place. It's not such good news for Leeds university though, the university has dropped out of the top 100 since the 2012 rankings placed them within the 81-90 band.

Overall, the UK's representation in the top 100 has declined since 2011.

So....if Americans are so crazy and uneducated then how do we consistently rank above all other countries in terms of the top Universities in the World? And not just by a little....we ran 40 schools in the top 100 in the World....I would say that is quite an accomplishment for crazy folks...the next closest was the UK with only 9....

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by redoubt

 

You have taken this thread entirely off-topic by coming after me personally and I won't to continue to respond.

edit on 5/3/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

Wasn't trying to argue with you. Was just commenting to your words... nothing more.

As far as taking the thread off topic, I suggest it began here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Perhaps we could start a thread dedicated to the subject for a discussion?

reply to post by Shadow Herder

29 % of Americans lack the ability to think for themselves or intelligently.

The problem is that people subconsciously are aware that their lives are pointless, they are useless, powerless, unoriginal, and quite pathetic. This is a growing awareness. People now want collapse, chaos, aliens, terrorism as to add some meaning or purpose to their lives.

Idiots buy guns and use them, others have to buy guns to protect from those idiots not knowing that they too have the tendencies of the idiot. So as you can see there are too many idiots. Too many people drink, own guns and have no purpose in life. they begin to form the delusion that big government is coming for there ultra important lives and snooping on there web-porn habits.

As you can see that the nation is paranoid and lacking understanding and true knowledge

Wow~ With an outlook on life like that.... I mean who has a Fight Club Brad pitt in retro colors ... Unoriginal.... So I clump you into the same category as your post. And nobody is better than anyone else. Not even if you are a non drinking, non gun owning and have given yourself a freak sense of self entitlement.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Armed could mean anything, I mean that's the argument from the anti 2nd amendment crowd. The right to keep and bear arms could mean that arms are baseball bats.

if you wanted to move public opinion to a point where it viewed anyone waving an American flag while supporting their constitution rights, this would be one way to do so. You paint these people as radicals who would seek armed insurrection and then, after that has taken in the public's mind, you shove through the anti-gun legislation.

It makes perfect sense from that standpoint.

For those who question the validity of the poll simply based on the low number of people involved (863) I initially agreed. So I took it upon myself to question the POCs on the poll and asked them that exact question. This is the very timely response I got:

A sample of registered voters nationwide typically consists of 700-1,200 respondents; the more respondents the smaller the margin of error, but the decreases in MOE decrease only arithmetically while sample size increases geometrically. More people would do little to change the results.

Thanks for your interest,

Dan Cassino

That explanation works for me.

reply to post by ratcals

A sample of registered voters nationwide typically consists of 700-1,200 respondents; the more respondents the smaller the margin of error, but the decreases in MOE decrease only arithmetically while sample size increases geometrically. More people would do little to change the results.

Thanks for your interest,

Dan Cassino

700-1200 respondents...... Why don't they just gather 50-100 children and ask them which flavor of ice cream is there favorite..... Basing 29% off all Americans out of 700-1200 people.... I mean there's not like Millions of Americans.... It's like that show American Statistics.... Those guys are jokes... How can they base this number and percentage as accurate... It's a freak math equation that civillians are expected to take as fact? Not me... No way jose~

Math does lie.... When you want %'s and #'s to read the way the TPTB want them to read. Prime example.... The Banking systems.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


lawl

cause other countries with much larger populations don't believe in fairy tales like GODs, dragons, reincarnation, aliens, or whatever else you're trying to make 5% of the worlds population look dumber for believing in.

then you have the population of ATS (the crowd you hang out with) who believe in even crazier #.

sounds a lot like the world has never changed. there has always been the 1% of smartest people on the planet and the 99% of idiots who work for them.

reply to post by sulaw


It was a random sampling of 863 people. A random sampling of more is most likely only going to produce a larger number of the same results. I don't understand why you're not okay with that. It makes perfect sense, but I'm not going to internet spar with you over it. Good day sir.

reply to post by ratcals


Wasn't going to spar ratcals.... my upper back has a pain in it today just giving my pov, Good day~

Yeah it seems someone would love to push the US into another civil war.
But them "dumb" Americans just ain't dumb enough to take the bait.
Me, I just don't play their game where I do not absolutely have to.