Many in Muslim world want sharia as law of land: survey

They are deceived and self deceived, their laws are not upheld in the Sevenfold Universe,

This is not the laws of God but sophistry for political power using God in deception with false promises,

Sharia law, compiled out one of their books,

There is no freedom of religion,
there is no freedom of speech,
there is no freedom of thought,
there is no artistic expression,
there is no freedom of the press,
There is no equality of peoples-a non muslim, a Kafir is never equal to a muslim,
There is no equal protection under Sharia for different classes of People.Justice is dualistic with one set of laws for muslim makes and different laws for women and non Muslims.
There is no equal rights for women,
Women can be beaten,
A non Muslim cannot bear arms,
There is no democracy since democracy means that a non muslim is equal to a muslim,
Our constitution is a manmade document of ignorance that must submit to a muslim.
Non-muslims of dhimmis.
All government must be ruled by Sharia,
Unlike in common law,Sharia is not interpretative nor can it be changed,

There is NO Golden Rule.
............
They have yet to face the justice courts of the Ancients of Days, the judges of personality survival, all of them and I tell you they don't recognize these laws a devolution into primitive barbarian culture.

Originally posted by sevens8
They are deceived and self deceived, their laws are not upheld in the Sevenfold Universe,

This is not the laws of God but sophistry for political power using God in deception with false promises,

Sharia law, compiled out one of their books,

There is no freedom of religion,
there is no freedom of speech,
there is no freedom of thought,
there is no artistic expression,
there is no freedom of the press,
There is no equality of peoples-a non muslim, a Kafir is never equal to a muslim,
There is no equal protection under Sharia for different classes of People.Justice is dualistic with one set of laws for muslim makes and different laws for women and non Muslims.
There is no equal rights for women,
Women can be beaten,
A non Muslim cannot bear arms,
There is no democracy since democracy means that a non muslim is equal to a muslim,
Our constitution is a manmade document of ignorance that must submit to a muslim.
Non-muslims of dhimmis.
All government must be ruled by Sharia,
Unlike in common law,Sharia is not interpretative nor can it be changed,

There is NO Golden Rule.
............
They have yet to face the justice courts of the Ancients of Days, the judges of personality survival, all of them and I tell you they don't recognize these laws a devolution into primitive barbarian culture.

That is what syaria from salafi's view and it is real and they still keep trying to pursuit it. Another group that can be found all over the world is from hizbut tahrir who share the common view of this. Both group support khilafah system.

In real world, there will be no islam syariah for everyone, due to the differences of view and how to interpret Quran and hadith.
All from above mostly come from hadith, that only secondary source in islam. The problem is most hadith is fake and wrong, even quran already stated that. Some sectarian prefer some hadith, some not, and most of good scholar have a way to identified the fake one, but there are similarity way of them, have to be cross check with alot of sources.

In other way, salafis think differently. Most of the hadith is true for them. Questioning a hadith is the same with not believe to the prophet and God even. The rule is never interpret it, but do what exactly it said, including with Quran, even in Quran it is already stated that some can be taken literally but most is not.

Another thing is not using logic with religion ( i know that cuz i have friend who become salaf, even not for long gladly )
Their view is already scary from most muslim view, and i can imagine how scary it is from non muslim view.

reply to post by sonnny1


It's entirely true, but innocent people die whenever the west imposes a regime change as well, if you care enough to fight back there aren't really all that many ways you can bloody the nose of your oppressor beside killing innocent people.

Hell if you have a specific target you can just ignore any ancillary casualties and chalk it up as collateral damage - seems to be enough when we do it....

Two wrongs might not make a right, but just rolling over and accepting a fate and a ruler imposed on you by an outside power isn't right either.

reply to post by mypan

The ugly reality is there shouldn't be any Muslim majority countries. Lets conquer them all and make them minority in every countries so that they don't get stupid enough to want to impose their laws onto those not practicing their religion.

Yes, lets get rid of all those infidels and make them abide by our laws.

Your post was meant as sarcasm right? Cause if not, you suck.

While it is very easy to blame the Sunni Salufists for 7th century fundamentalism and radicalism, we mankind MUST NOT be blind or ignorant to the equally if not worse fundamentalism style of the Shia sect. There is no smoke without fire, in the fight for Islamic supremacy.

Nomal muslims of both Sunni and Shia ARE NOT to be blamed for what happened in the past and what will happen in the future. It is the fundamentalist and radical leaders TO BE BLAMED.

In the Shia sect, they believed in the infallibility of Shia leaders, as they believed Ali is perfect and infallibile and heir, whom was prophet Muhammad's nephew whom he had commended, but NEVER chosen as heir, for only Allah had that right. Secondly, prophet Muhammad had already LONG warned that he was the LAST messenger, and there will be NO MORE from Allah.

Anyone else who self declares himself or by others as prophets or Allah's Chosen are LIARS and must face justice to the community of Islam.

Shia leaders' usurpation of 'infallibility' is a direct heresy and apostasy, for they deemed themselves prophets and chosen by Allah, in DIRECT CONTRIDICTION to prophet Muhammad's teachings.

This quarel, amongst many others in the Shia reverence for the hardiths instead of the Koran as source, lasted for 1200 years till today and may even go further, as the bombings and killings of innocent Shia and Sunni commoners continues on.

Much is expected of the Shia leaders, but unfortunately, they had only proven themselves craven. Khomeni was the Shia apostate supreme leader and in 1979 funded the siege by a false 'Mahdi' upon Holy Mecca administered by Sunni Saudi Arabia. It was a terrible act, so heinous that he would have had his head cut off upon sight.

But he was smart. He quickly PUSHED the blame upon USA as being the ones who made that siege, and it was believed by many muslims in the muslim world as they were uneducated then and very easily influenced, with much of the fallout over US's support for Israel to end the palestine tragedy then.

And he seized the opportunity to make use of the palestinians to keep sunni anger focus on Israel, funded terrorists acts around the world to keep nations destablised, while he and his progeny Khamenei build up nuke might to assume supremacy in the muslim world.

Fortunately, much of the Islamic world is better educated today, and are aware of the Persian apostate infidel Khameni's devious cunning shennigans. Even the Palestinian Hamas had woke up to being used, and worsed, used by that Shia apostate for his own ends and not for palestinians evolution. Was Arafat's murder, when he finally sought peace, committed by Khomeni, who wanted the palestinians to continue their bloodshed as his nukes wasn't ready then? May the truth be found one day.

Back on topic, as long as the muslim world is not reconciled peacefully without using 3rd party humanity as punching bags or reasons to unite against, Sharia law is a farce, as many muslims, both innocent sunnis and shias living in the land, will ask - which one - shia sharia or sunni sharia, at all times?

The hope for muslim evolution will lay with the young muslims. As long as they are given holistic education opportunities, they will one day discover the truth of prophet Muhammad's teachings, which shares common tenets with other religions in our world, and are not enemies, but only fellow brothers and sisters with similar social and economic goals in life

Is Sharia the controlled opposite of Progressivism for the purpose of conflict? I feel there is some strange reason why the Progressives never complain about Sharia but they complain about Christians vehemently. While Sharia is authoritarian, many Progressives who claim that right wingers are authoritarian don't seem to mind if Sharia comes into our courts and into our countries. In fact they promote Sharia while pushing tolerance. Why would women in the Progressive Feminist movement promote Sharia for women when Sharia obviously suppresses women in a male-centric atmosphere, not to mention that many Progressives are secular and not religious. I see Progressives here often claiming they believe in all sorts of freedoms, yet they behold systems which are based on authoritarian control.
I see this in a similar fashion as the textbook opposites of Hitler and Marx, as Antony Sutton showed they are both authoritarian systems fashioned from the same Hegelian philosophy.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Right, Sunni are actually more moderate than Shia and in fact have a lot of disagreement with Shia.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by sonnny1

 

I agreed. But we have to remember that there is a diverse world of Muslims and different parts of the world would see freedom and laws differently. I just wish everything was a littler better than the ugly reality of suffering and death.

I understand "differences", but NO ONE should be inclined to say YES to suicide bombings. Its obvious that the Muslim World is at odds with their own Laws, as we are to some of ours. The whole suffering and death aspect is a bit more defined with those who are in favor of something like that. Agree?

There are no absolutes; people are weird. If these imbeciles want to blow themselves up, so be it, as the human species is better without them in it.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by sonnny1

 

If a majority in their own country want sharia law, then they should have it.

But if they try to implement it in a geographical region where it is not accepted, then that is where I would find issue.

I can tell you, the Arab Spring had an Elite push behind it. Medea Benjamin of Code Pink, and Bill Ayers were in Egypt around that time. These people are leftists who agitate for radical movements. Also, Richard Trumka Union leader bragged about how his people were involved in the Arab Spring in Egypt. I had read some obscure article on how the Revolution in Tunisia was originally spurred by labor union activists who wanted more jobs. It was simply not a spontaneous desire to get rid of all pro-Western leaders and suddenly embrace the muslim brotherhood.
Hence my post about Sharia as a controlled opposite to the Progressive movement, yet fashioned out of the same Totalitarian cloth as the Progressive Marxism.

What possible motive could radicals have for promoting this abroad while also promoting here too? What do Progressives get out of promoting Sharia worldwide?

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


America just happens to be the only country left who espouses the freedoms promoted in our Constitution and by our Founding Fathers. Europeans are fast going the way of democratic Socialism, which is NOT freedom. People get Democratic Socialism mixed up with Democratic Republic. Our Constitution is based on a representative Republic, not an authoritarian system with majority rule. Progressives here have been agitating for more Democratic Socialism to match their European buddies.
While Progressives here promoted the Arab Spring abroad, both Progressivism and Sharia share a Totalitarian approach to ruling people, but Socialism presents as a more secular rule, while Sharia presents a ruling of the religious Caliphate.
Can you explain why the secular Progressives who hate Christians and religion in general would accept Sharia Law anywhere?

Originally posted by MaxSteiner


Two wrongs might not make a right, but just rolling over and accepting a fate and a ruler imposed on you by an outside power isn't right either.

I hear you.

I just don't get the whole point of killing innocent victims, to make a point.

I get bloody annoyed when people don't separate groups like I do, Muslims are 3 groups, normal decent NICE ones, Moderates who you trust at your peril and Radicals who are to me the vile set.

But I also detest when people fail to separate the West's people from the West's governments, what the West's people want and what their governments do are usually 2 very different things.

So please, when you blame the West, at least pick the right group.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Can you explain why the secular Progressives who hate Christians and religion in general would accept Sharia Law anywhere?

From the link in the OP...we see that the Muslims themselves want to live under Sharia NOT that they are insisting non-Muslims be subject to Shariah. On the contrary they are saying...

More than four-fifths of the 38,000 Muslims interviewed in 39 countries said non-Muslims in their countries could practice their faith freely and that this was good.

Religious people the world over allow their religious beliefs to dictate non-religious matters, such as dietary habits and sex. For example, a devout Christian would NOT go around sleeping with random women... a devout Hindu would NOT eat beef ... a devout Jew would NOT eat pork, - all because of religious reasons. So why do you expect Muslims to be any different?

Also, its interesting how many people on this forum equate Shariah with suicide bombings and mutilation.

Its like saying Americans who are serious about their 2nd amendment right, only do so because they have a thing for shooting random people in malls and theaters and schools. But oh wait, these random shooters are nutcases who act on their own. So lets not label all 2nd Amendment touting Americans as "violent"... because its wrong and generalizing an entire people works best only with Shariah observant Muslims.

Of course Sharia law suits them until they are victim to it, the women have no right to a fair hearing in trials of rape, but they will still keep it going.
I wonder how many women were actually consulted in this 'study'?.

reply to post by DataWraith

Sharia law suits them until they are victim to it, the women have no right to a fair hearing in trials of rape, but they will still keep it going.

Where exactly in Shariah law does it say that women have no right to a fair trial?
And what about cases where rapists in Islamic countries have been executed? Are those all fairy tales?
How does secular law in YOUR land treat rapists? Are they executed? Or are they given jail terms and eligible for parole in some time?

Also what if muslim women feel safer under Shariah law, as opposed to secular laws, which they find to be alien?

What if muslim women are disgusted with the way women in secular countries are treated as sex symbols in advertisements and tv shows and movies and what not?

Its all a matter of perspective.

Muslim nations are disintergrating and falling to pieces. Muslims are waking up to the fact they envy Western freedoms and the fun we have

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Um.... your first sentance makes it sound like you think the whole world should be following your constitution - democratic socialism isn't that bad really, if you look at all the national measurements that actually matter like literacy the US is way behind.

reply to post by BO XIAN

He asked the source what percentage of Muslims around the world would support violent jihad to some degree or another--either --by joining actively in violent missions --paying for such missions --actively politically, socially, media etc. supporting such missions in their communications --silently agreeing and actively supporting e.g. with safe-houses or material or other support. The expert suggested 5%? The Imam said no. The expert suggested 10%? The imam said no. He said 70%. The expert did not believe this high level internationally respected Imam so he contacted another 11 or so such high level Muslims around the world with the same question. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM SAID "70%."

you are wrongly equating Jihad with terrorist activities.
Can you please tell me what was the exact question to which the answer was 70%(with the source/link)

muslims will support violent jihad in extreme circumstances just like citizens of any nation will support war, physically and financially when their country is attacked/invaded.

Its just common sense.

Its untrue sensationalism to spread ideas that 70% muslims will support an offensive strike on any country/people who have done no harm to them.

Qur'an 60:8. Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who
fought not against you on account of
religion and did not drive you out of
your homes. Verily, Allah loves those
who deal with equity.

reply to post by generik

BUT what about those in those countries that are NOT Muslim and as such want no part of sharia law? or even Muslims that want no part of sharia law? should they simply because they are a minority have to just suffer from if?

Non-muslims can have a seperate law system under sharia law. It was the same during Prophet Muhammad and after him during the Caliphate.

The muslims who are demanding Sharia law in west are demanding Civil law for muslims based on Sharia and not criminal law.
It is already there in some countries and running smoothly without affecting the majority non-muslim population.