Everything Is Rigged: Biggest Scandal Yet

reply to post by snaz31


Not at all. I just don't believe that 6 banks owning 60% of our nations GDP is a rational way to run the game we are all forced to play (or die) from the moment we are born.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


I think people have it all wrong... Holder is a liar for christ sake... A proven one too... So why do people take any stock in anything he says? The reason he gave is not the real reason the banksters and financial crooks are not prosecuted... The real reason is because they are his mates! They scratch his back and he scratches theirs.... Same old thing that has been going on since the dawn of time.

The real problem is giving a handful of people the power to scratch each others backs with our bones!

Big gov has given corporations the power to become persons and you cant rightly send a fictional thing to prison so you have to fine it... But who do you think really pays these fines? The people do ultimately...

It is a wonderful game they have created for themselves, they threw monopoly out a long time ago.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


But this is not the problem as some of those banks if not all of them would have gone bankrupt long ago if not for the government... The gov decided to step in and bail them out, the people didnt agree with that...

Government is the problem here, not the banks...

With our money we still have some buying power. Use your money for things that are actually GOOD for you. Made by people who know what is going on and that want to sustain nature as it should be and use the raw materials with diligence and care. You are giving them your time in the form of money. Give wisely. Don't let them fool you that their way is the only way.

We need imagination. Close your TVs and block out advertising. Keep your mind focused on the REAL world. People around you, those living next door. Get to know what they do. Talk with them.

You have to be mentally tough! Give the attention of your soul to what deserves it's observing. You cannot do it alone.

reply to post by snaz31


But even that is just the tip of the iceberg. At its simplest form, one could explain the gaping hole in the games' logic thusly: If every single debt in the history of the world was reduced by half, from the lowliest payday loan, rent or mortgage, gallon of milk or automobile note - all the way up to CDS's, ICAPS's and the like -- nothing real would change hands, and we would suddenly be flush with "credit." There wouldn't even be a deficit crisis.

Those at the top manipulate ICAP and Libor because the law of large numbers makes them the defacto "owner" of everything and everyone, and they LIKE it that way.

It is as fake and meaningless as a game of monopoly, except for the deadly serious consequences down here at street level.

reply to post by snaz31


With all due respect, those appointed to government (or elected in imaginary elections) ARE the banks. They come directly from the banks. Their campaigns are financed directly by the banks, and if we get wise and throw them out - they go right back TO the banks, or to lobby for the banks.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the best and brightest among us that there was some kind of difference between the "government" and the "banks."

reply to post by asher


The Rolling Stones? Naw, this is Rolling Stone magazine. Doesn't have anything to do with the Rolling Stones band.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by snaz31

 

But even that is just the tip of the iceberg. At its simplest form, one could explain the gaping hole in the games' logic thusly: If every single debt in the history of the world was reduced by half, from the lowliest payday loan, rent or mortgage, gallon of milk or automobile note - all the way up to CDS's, ICAPS's and the like -- nothing real would change hands, and we would suddenly be flush with "credit." There wouldn't even be a deficit crisis.

Those at the top manipulate ICAP and Libor because the law of large numbers makes them the defacto "owner" of everything and everyone, and they LIKE it that way.

It is as fake and meaningless as a game of monopoly, except for the deadly serious consequences down here at street level.

Yes but everything you have mentioned is because of government (barring the debt which I will address in a moment)... The banks are just playing the cards they are dealt... Imagine if you could gamble all your money away or lend it out to people you know will not pay you and then just get all your money back from a group that steals off everyone... How would you run your affairs? Would you be frugal? I doubt it very much...

What you are suggesting by cutting the debt for everyone is suggesting we all act like banksters, borrow all this money then not have to pay it back... This is quite ridiculous I am sorry... Imagine you are a money lender, imagine if you lent out some money to a friend and then they came back with only half... Would you lend to that friend again?

Of course you wouldn't! lol

All we need to do is get rid of goverenment, then bad lenders would go under to be replaced with good lenders! They same would go for businesses too... Would it be absolutely perfect? Doubtful but it would be a whole lot better that is for sure...

reply to post by snaz31


Apparently you are missing my point. I never said that we "should do so and so." I don't deal in "shoulda's" any more than I deal in "might have been's." I am not a teenage girl and I don't own a time machine. What I am suggesting is that if we magically used a completely different system of counting debt, wherein EVERY SINGLE DEBT WAS REDUCED BY HALF - there would be "no crisis."

That is how insubstantial and fake this system actually "is."

Your rant against the government is meaningless by the way as I have already demonstrated that there is no difference between the "government" and the "banks." Addressed and answered.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by snaz31

 

With all due respect, those appointed to government (or elected in imaginary elections) ARE the banks. They come directly from the banks. Their campaigns are financed directly by the banks, and if we get wise and throw them out - they go right back TO the banks, or to lobby for the banks.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the best and brightest among us that there was some kind of difference between the "government" and the "banks."

If you re-read my posts you will see that this is what I am saying, lol... The big difference is though that the gov has an army and lots and lots of weapons and most people see them as "legitimate" or "protecting" their interests... Without that power what could a bank do? Without gov people could create their own currency if they wished... They can go back to the banks for all I care...

We just need to take the right to initiate force away from them, the rest will follow.

reply to post by snaz31


Again - you have no power to remove their "rights." They have run the board. Every space is owned, and all are filled with houses and hotels. Now roll. Whoops! You owe them again, and they are ready to print more debt so that you can borrow to pay them back with interest.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


Banks can not initiate force against you without the govs say so... They do not own an army... They do not own any weapons etc... Just because you say case closed does not make it so, sorry... Now they are very interlinked, best buds as I have said but if you had no gov the banks would have no actual power... Gov gives them and the corps their power, they right laws that benefit them etc...

Can you not see that?

You dont deal in should's but you deal in IF's lol

Come on what are you going on about there?

The point is you can not just wipe out debt! Deal with what I said please and drop the straw man arguments.

We are even mostly in agreement anyway you just refuse to see who has all the guns... By the way when I say get rid of gov I don't mean kick out the few at the top who will run back to the banks I mean GET RID OF GOV, the whole damn thing! Then who will the banks lobby for peat sake? lol

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


Oh I know all too well how the game works but it is really strange because I make money but do not give it to gov... Okay I buy things so they get 20%, I can't avoid that, but I do wherever I can... Most people will be paying 70% to gov, so a big difference...

You say I have no power but you are wrong as I just demonstrated... Now imagine if everyone just said no, I will not pay you! What will they do? lol

I don't wanna fight with you dude, we are on the same side... I am just bringing a different plan of attack than you, tis all...

Edit: Another thing people can and are doing is take your money out of the bank and start using things like bitcoin... Why do you feel you are powerless?

reply to post by ItCameFromOuterSpace


Thanks for clearing that up but I was talking about the magazine the whole time

reply to post by CirqueDeTruth


It was pretty much an open and shut case for the Libor Scandal, but the judge still threw it out of court. They own the courts, they own the politicians. They don't even care that a few people know about it, the public doesn't have a clue.

reply to post by snaz31


We are largely in agreement about the problem. I just see your solution (everyone stop paying them!) as far-fetched and fantastical as you see mine (50% jubilee on ALL debt, public and private).

The vast majority will continue to support the system against all logic and reason until the hand they kiss is slitting their throat for them. Even then, most will just smile and say "thank you."

EDIT: I can't use Bitcoin to pay my mortgage, my utilities, or buy my groceries. I don't expect believe that this situation is in any danger of changing, but cheers to you anyway!

Originally posted by snaz31
reply to post by Afterthought

 

So we should still pay the gov to go round the world killing and torturing innocent people? I like all your other ideas though but why not add refuse to be stolen from?

I didn't say that you allow them to steal from you. The point of my post was to swamp them in so much paperwork that they would have to retreat. The court system wouldn't be able to handle all the cases they wanted to bring forth. If people did exactly what I'm suggesting, many wouldn't lose much at all and maybe even nothing at all. I bet their only card to play would be to go after those who hadn't been paying their taxes. After all, this is actually the only thing the courts would also be caring about and would allow these offenders to be the main objective. Everyone else would start to fall by the wayside.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by snaz31

 

We are largely in agreement about the problem. I just see your solution (everyone stop paying them!) as far-fetched and fantastical as you see mine (50% jubilee on all debt)..

The vast majority will continue to support the system against all logic and reason until the hand they kiss is slitting their throat for them. Even then, most will just smile and say "thank you."

Ahhhh now you see, kind of... The thing is with my scenario you actually have a moral obligation to not pay the theft/tax... They spend the money on murder and torture, not to mention suppressing their own people too... Whereas if you take out a loan, you have a moral obligation to pay it back... I know the system is fixed and the money comes from thin air etc but that again is down to gov because without them a better monetary system would have been implemented long ago... Look at the guy who minted his own gold coins, liberty coin or something was it?

I go right for the jugular, I tell people that they are paying to murder and torture people! I tell them that now they know they are just as guilty and then it is on their own head... I would even tell them that I can not have anything to do with someone that would fund such activities...

We need to stop mincing about now and just go for it! We have the moral high ground, We need to use it!

So in reality what this is really saying.....
(This is going to be a shocker to some, most will deny, but all will try to justify)


The cold hard truth is that if you(yes you) have a mortgage car payment, credit card, and bank account, then you pretty much fed the monster. Big banks, central and corporate banks own us all.

The American dream bankrupted us(here in the states).


Brainwash the masses into accepting massive debt in "low monthly payments ".

I don't even have a mortgage or car payment.( i realize my lifestyle contributes though)

Enjoy it people.

Have a nice day all.

Its all our fault.

reply to post by Afterthought


Yes I like your ideas mate as I have said but not paying your tax is a moral obligation more than anything else... I have also thought if you want to speed up the process we could all go and claim benefits at the same time! lol