Introducing "Bibleman"! And a host of other kid-oriented indoctrination tools

reply to post by wildtimes


You don't see the hypocrisy in this statement?

My belief is based on science. The science of brain-training, early childhood development, and basic neurosis. Children who are sent to Jesus Camp, or are indoctrinated with hatred of everyone who is not their 'brand' of Christian are damaged by that.

The following is a parody of the quote above - I just changed the words to sound more like something a Christian might say to show the poster that their statement of believe is exactly that - a statement of belief

My belief is base in Jesus Christ. The love of God during early childhood development & neurological development gives children the opportunity to empathize with others & have compassion for those who are less fortunate. Children who are told there is no God are indoctrinated to believe that those who have faith in some "being in the sky" are stupid & hateful.

Almost word for word - you're exactly the same - besides - like you ever actually went to a Jesus Camp - you have no idea what you're talking about....you just think you know.

reply to post by wildtimes


Who? I don't know anyone like that - you'd think those people would be knocking on doors or something - I haven't seen anyone that pushy about Christianity since I was a kid (referring to the Evangelical fundamentalists comment)

reply to post by Bone75


Because some people aren't happy unless they are telling everyone else how to live.

reply to post by coldkidc


Okay, I just added an edit while you were typing this hate.

You don't understand at all what I am talking about.
Never mind, then. When someone calls me a hypocrite and refuses to acknowledge my point, and persists in condemning belittling of me, I know there's probably not much chance of open dialogue and mutual respect.

Thanks for contributing your thoughts.

reply to post by coldkidc


Right, I never learned anything but to love everyone when I went to church.

Why no mention of the School children being taught sex education by the Obama Administration including suggesting they should experiment with same sex and FISTING ? Look it up .
Then it's ok to tell these children that they came from a monkey and now even a rat ?
It's ok for the teachers to make the children to swear that they will not tell their parents what they are being taught .NO concern there ???

reply to post by wildtimes


Hate? I'm afraid you'll have to provide me with a quote - I have no idea what you're talking about.

I was simply pointing out to you that your comment sounded very dogmatic & you aren't able to tell the difference because you can't take a step back from where you're at right now.

I agree with you that hateful teaching is not constructive. The problem is most Christians are good people but you guys were generalizing comments about Christians like it's all of them -

Simply put - this thread was becoming a Christian bash fest.

ETA: I clarified my above post to show you what I was doing - my statement wasn't directed at you - it was a parody of your statement from the previous post to show you what you were doing. That must have been what you though was "hate"

"Just when I thought lightsabres couldn't ever be lame"

Who cares? This is not abuse, it hurts nobody.

People who believe that parents shouldn't be able to teach their children what they want, by default, must believe that children shouldn't belong to parents and should be taught what the state, or whatever the general consensus is on what's good for society, wants to teach them.

It makes no sense to me, and it wreaks of communism. Therefore, it is inhuman, and I can not understand it.

reply to post by Mr Headshot


Thank you - that's exactly what I've been trying to point out to the OP

Originally posted by coldkidc
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Who? I don't know anyone like that - you'd think those people would be knocking on doors or something - I haven't seen anyone that pushy about Christianity since I was a kid (referring to the Evangelical fundamentalists comment)

That is because people finally stood up and said No More.

Christianity was forced to change by people with better character, who demanded better. And we still are.

reply to post by Covertblack


And now I'm a Christian

reply to post by wildtimes


Hmmm! An interesting post, willdtimes. Looks to me like a nice little earner ! ( But that wouldn't be the motive, would it ? ) And in an unimpeachable cause too ! Amazing merchandising / film rights potential !

The capitalists can't fall off here. If you challenge the credentials of " Bibleman " you're challenging Christianity, and no one would dare to do that ....would they ?

Just wanted to pop in and point out this particular image, is actually based on a joke and is actually film memorabilia.



Here is the clip where it is introduced in the film Dogma.

reply to post by wildtimes


First off, I want to say I enjoy reading and participating with everyone on this forum. Atheist, believers, and non-believers have a lot to contribute to theses discussions.

Second, is it me or does bibleman have a slight resemblance to a roman solider? You know the guys that enjoyed killing Christians?

Personally, I think the bibleman concept is a mockery of the Christian faith. It takes the focus away from Christ and demotes him to the level of an action figure. I actually see it in the spirit of antichrist (ie. against Christ). It appears as a tool of the fallen cherub. My enemy. It is a spiritual "red herring", which in my opinion, is meant to confuse young ones in the truth of the Word and the Salvation in Christ.

Your right Wildtimes, it is presenting a dangerous message to children. It is presenting a warped twisted view on the Word of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Spiritually mature Christians will see bibleman for what it is...not as indoctrination from fundamentalists (who believe in the fundamental teachings of the Word), but a deception as a replacement to Christ in the minds of children. It is an indoctrination from the fallen cherub. The one who seeks, deceives, and destroys.

I didn't want to sound all dramatic and everything; however, that is how I see it. My reasons for concern maybe different from Wildtimes, but I believe it is a valid concern. I want to say gratz to Wildtimes as I have never seen such an "instrument" before, I thank her for bringing it to light. I will be watching for it for now on though.

reply to post by wildtimes


I think all religions are feeling insecure at the moment. A mixture of the changing society and perceived threat from other religions. The reactions are there for all to see. Islam has factions becoming more radical, There are Jewish/Catholic schools virtually segregating themselves from the rest of us. And the far right are turning to their own form of radicalisation - aggressive evangelicalism taken to the extreme. I have watched it slowly ramping up over the years - especially since the internet made it possible for anyone to have a website. There is so much of this out there and I do not feel it is a good thing. In this day and age - and I level this criticism too all religions, not just those mentioned in the OP - we should enlightened enough to teach our next generation all the possibilities, and how to think about them for themselves. Not what to think. Indoctrination into such a strict religion is the the only way those religions can now grow, or even avoid dwindling away. And they know this. The result is what you are seeing here.

reply to post by nothingwrong

I think all religions are feeling insecure at the moment.

i agree,
i think its happening due to increasing 'atheisisation' of the society to the extent that being religious is considered as being backward. The youth feel ashamed to reaveal it if they have a strong faith!

The response by the people who want to preserve their faith is to withdraw and go full throttle to pass down the faith to the next generation by hook or by crook.

Bibleman has been around for at least 10 years and is still pretty obscure. So I think the threat of it indoctrinating huge masses of youth is pretty small.
It seems to just be a silly way for parents and churches to introduce their children to their faith at an early age.

reply to post by wildtimes


Why do you care? People have the right to teach their children what they want, as long as they aren't teaching them to be criminals or terrorists. Learning about the Bible doesn't do either of those, so again, WHY do you care?? If you don't like it, don't buy the stuff for your kids. Don't, however, call it "indoctrination" when other parents do. If you consider this bad,do you also condemn other action figures, and assorted related merchandising? What, in your way of thinking, isn't "indoctrination"? Are aliens in red and blue costumes, with capes, acceptable? How about playboys with tons of money and cool gadgets? Mutant turtles living in the sewers? Toys modeled after old Norse gods? How about mystical warriors fighting off evil mystical warriors, with cool laser swords? Amazons with invisible planes, maybe? Books and movies promoting Greek demigods? Are those also indoctrination? Gee, maybe we should stop buying any toys at all for children?

Then again, maybe we should simply stop worrying about parents raising their children, and find a real conspiracy.....

reply to post by wildtimes


It is sad that religions have to resort to modern commercialization practices to spark new interest in their beliefs. Give it 1000 years and kids & adults will be praying to bibleman. Bibleman will replace Jesus as the messiah. It does make one wonder though. I wonder how much Jesus has changed over 2000 years of indoctrination by popes and emperors. I would bet that the real Jesus would not recognize himself in respect to how he is portrayed today.

That atheist man picture is plain despicable. I should sue the bastards for emotional distress!!!