Boston ISN'T a Farce at all...

reply to post by ColoradoJens


Yeah, I reckon I could, but they aren't the ones that ex-texted it into the thread so I chose to address the person that did.

Frankly it doesn't matter and you're being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative. Something, something, suffer fools gladly, something-or-other...

No appetite for this nonsense, so I bid this thread farewell.

reply to post by LuckyLucian


Suffer on your own. The article in the Washington Post pointed out the FACT that this lockdown was nearly unprecedented. The article mentioned OKC and within context was correct in doing so. There is no argument this action was highly irregular, but go on now to the daisies and lollipops forum.

CJ

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by Moshpet

 

Interesting. Because someone said it was "all clear" (which obviously was wrong) a civilian found the perp and what happened? HE WAS ARRESTED. So the "all clear" was WRONG and once allowed to go outside a civilian MADE THE ARREST HAPPEN. If he didn't "endanger" himself the guy would not have been caught.

CJ

edit on 20-4-2013 by ColoradoJens because: (no reason given)

I can't if you are trying to be sarcastic, or just argumentative.

A full out media statement that it was clear to resume normal activities was published. The Boat owner took a nicotine break, and did all the aforementioned.

I say the boat owner likely endangered himself unnecessarily, likely the LEO's there would have agreed, because the perp shot at them when they tried it.

As for when or if the perp would have died undetected, or would have been caught elsewhere, no one will know. As we're human, not omniscient.

However, it turned out well enough in the end.
M.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
I DO have the right to kill, when my government sends me to do it.

Not a fellow US citizen who is not convicted of a crime requiring capital punishment.
At least not up to this point.
If you're implying in a war...
Foreigners do not have US protected constitutional rights.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
I DO have the right to steal, when it is in the interest of my government.

Nope, not even if you are a soldier in a war.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
I DO have the right to put others in danger, when my government says it's ok.

Not other innocent US citizens who have the same rights as you do.
Foreigners do not have US protected constitutional rights...

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
I DO have the right to be obscene. You know there is a legal porno industry, yes?

Not in public.
Public display is a crime because it violates others rights to not have to view obscene material.

reply to post by Moshpet


SO one minute it wasn't ok to be active in "normal activities" and then the next "it was". Good thing too. They caught the guy when "normal activities" resumed. Almost immediately. It appears they could have caught the guy a lot sooner if "normal activities" weren't curtailed.

CJ

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
Interesting. Because someone said it was "all clear" (which obviously was wrong) a civilian found the perp and what happened? HE WAS ARRESTED. So the "all clear" was WRONG and once allowed to go outside a civilian MADE THE ARREST HAPPEN. If he didn't "endanger" himself the guy would not have been caught

I'm pretty sure this was done as a calculated risk to bring it to a fast end.
The scanners all went down at the time of the press conference, that means they were getting ready to make a move. I think they held that conference to flush this guy out of hiding by making him think it would be safe to move, and it worked.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by NoJoker13

 

So you feel ok with closing down Boston to apprehend one man?

CJ

You act like the guy shot someone on some street corner.. This was a bombing, on US soil, it definitely means you do whatever it takes to get these lunatics off the streets. 9/11 might have happened 12 years ago, but the thought of terrorism is still VERY fresh in everyone's mind. Two bombs go off, many more found, and no suspects at first??? Yes, you do your due-diligence to catch the bombers because you dont know if they're al qaeda or if its just a single crazy...

As a citizen of USA I have zero problem with their handling of the situation...

reply to post by defcon5


I like that. So you agree I have a right to kill as long as it isn't a citizen of this country.
I guess also the colonialism of the US isn't considered stealing, it's just that might makes right, eh?

CJ

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by NoJoker13

 

So you feel ok with closing down Boston to apprehend one man?

CJ

You act like the guy shot someone on some street corner.. This was a bombing, on US soil, it definitely means you do whatever it takes to get these lunatics off the streets. 9/11 might have happened 12 years ago, but the thought of terrorism is still VERY fresh in everyone's mind. Two bombs go off, many more found, and no suspects at first??? Yes, you do your due-diligence to catch the bombers because you dont know if they're al qaeda or if its just a single crazy...

As a citizen of USA I have zero problem with their handling of the situation...

Yes, we do "whatever it takes". Like enacting the Patriot Act. Doing away with the 4th amendment. Making citizens carry papers. Making it a crime to own a gun. Sure, whatever it takes.

I hope when the government comes knocking on your door because you belong to conspiracy site and throws you in jail you keep repeating that "they are doing whatever it takes".

CJ

reply to post by ColoradoJens


Hey if you hate rules and laws go live in Somalia...

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by ColoradoJens

 

Hey if you hate rules and laws go live in Somalia...

Said like an eloquent third grader.

CJ

reply to post by ColoradoJens


You live in Colorado... If the city of Boston didn't mind what happened, why do you care?

Heck, they were applauding the cops in the streets after he was apprehended...

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by NoJoker13

 

So you feel ok with closing down Boston to apprehend one man?

CJ

You act like the guy shot someone on some street corner.. This was a bombing, on US soil, it definitely means you do whatever it takes to get these lunatics off the streets. 9/11 might have happened 12 years ago, but the thought of terrorism is still VERY fresh in everyone's mind. Two bombs go off, many more found, and no suspects at first??? Yes, you do your due-diligence to catch the bombers because you dont know if they're al qaeda or if its just a single crazy...

As a citizen of USA I have zero problem with their handling of the situation...

Yes, we do "whatever it takes". Like enacting the Patriot Act. Doing away with the 4th amendment. Making citizens carry papers. Making it a crime to own a gun. Sure, whatever it takes.

I hope when the government comes knocking on your door because you belong to conspiracy site and throws you in jail you keep repeating that "they are doing whatever it takes".

CJ

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You sound a little paranoid, man... So because I'm an active member of ATS the Govt. will come and throw me in jail

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
no offance but i didn't think this site was to discuss how much you believe the real story

edit on 20-4-2013 by WanderingThe3rd because: (no reason given)

This site is for discussing anything as long as it is T&C compliant. If you think that this site only welcomes the opinions of those who buy into conspiracies then you are sorely mistaken. This site is all about denying ignorance and in order to do that, it encourages an open and civil discourse that takes a look at all possibilities and uses common sense and logic to uncover truth....

That said, On this one, I happen to agree with the OP.

I've said it before and I will say it again now. Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes things really are as they seem. Personally, I think things are exactly as they seem on that one, but I respect your opinion if you happen to disagree.

Peace, love and truth.

reply to post by ColoradoJens
Under US law, against a non-citizen, sure...
Under the law of the country that you do it in you will face their justice system.
US laws DON'T APPLY OUTSIDE THE US....

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by ColoradoJens

 

Under US law, against a non-citizen, sure...
Under the law of the country that you do it in you will face their justice system.
US laws DON'T APPLY OUTSIDE THE US....

Why are you even bothering.
Every point you've made has just been twisted into some weird anti logical retort.

For the rest of us, the concept is simple and you've made valid points.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by Moshpet

 

SO one minute it wasn't ok to be active in "normal activities" and then the next "it was". Good thing too. They caught the guy when "normal activities" resumed. Almost immediately. It appears they could have caught the guy a lot sooner if "normal activities" weren't curtailed.

CJ

I'm leaning towards the thought you are going for argumentative.

At the time of 'you may resume normal activities,' the LEO's etc were standing down, decompressing, and going to a more normal, "Let's get back to tickets and dealing with domestic crap." So yes it was safer for the Boat Owner to go out and take his smoke break. It's not impossible for someone to confuse a flash of light with a threat of being shot at. While it is unlikely a calm awake non-adrenayaled up LEO would snap fire with out hearing a bang.... The Boston LEOs were on 16-18 hours of 'on the job' and highly stressed during the 'stay in your homes bit;' it would have placed the had he wandered out to do it during that time. Tired stressed out people have made worse snap & fire calls.

The other big what if, is had the Perp not quite been in the boat or in the yard, would he have shot and killed the boat owner? Or made it into his house and created a hostage situation.

If you are trying to make an obscure point that the LEOs should just let civies get into the middle of that kind of man-hunt and firefights. Or that if you think the LEOs failed to protect the people of Boston, or were inept or just unlucky, say so.

Because as it stands, all I can see is you are trying to score points off of the LEOs and Feds etc that did a damned good job of keeping people out of harms way, and kept civies alive by not over reacting at the wrong instances.

So what is it? Are you just trying to score bs points off the LEO's and the operation as it was handled, or are you trying to say that letting Joe Dumbarsed Idiot endanger themselves and others is; better than having people voluntarily keep themselves inside and out of harms way?

If you are trying to score points, sorry I don't give stars for that; and frankly you are not evidently authorised to make decisions like those in charge of Boston during the crisis did. So you can't score points that way.

If it's your point to defend people have a right to be stupid and get themselves others killed..... I think you'd not find many would say anyone had a right to endanger themselves or their family. Or that they didn't have right to protect their family from such endangerment.

I'm certain that neither you or anyone else has a right to endanger anyone, or their family; even if you think your rights under such an occasion may or may not be infringed.

I don't think you'd want to press that sort of issue outside the safety of a forum like this, you know where people might really think you wanted to endanger them, especially under the conditions of Boston these past few days. People tend to get a bit defensive and proactive in the protection of themselves and their families.

Yet on the Internet, you can get away with such things.
As long as people will tolerate you.

M.

reply to post by NoJoker13


What's the link to the videos/pics of him dropping the backpack there? All I can find are pics of the 2 guys and them walking around. The only thing I've found are quotes from the FBI, talking about him being seen dropping the backpack by the curb, but no pics/videos attached.

Thanks.

*Rubs Hands* Ahh yes, exactly according to plan. A Counter-Thread.

However, it is all for naught.

I will even be generous and gift an opportunity for advantage :

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand.

-Sun Tzu

I realize it will be squandered though.
Carry on.

I support OP ! Good job!