Boston is a Farce to Take your Rights Away

Originally posted by muzzleflash


As a result of these provocative questions, I lean towards the presumption that the POTS is little more than a figure head, a public relations rep, if you will.

Unfortunately, his electronic signature can do more damage then good.....



I understand though what you are saying. It is unnerving to say the least, on how things went down in Boston and its suburbs. Trial run, or outright trying to protect the community. I'm just glad 2 maniacs are off the streets.

Like I said, you made a awesome thread, and one that has people talking and thinking.

reply to post by Murgatroid


That is a very timely and relevant piece of information you shared, thank you so much Murga!

Bringing up the actual hard scientific facts that have been studied by intelligent professional researchers, is a good tactic to show anyone watching and reading along, where the truth most likely resides.

By revealing the extensive prevalence of psychopathy in positions of power, you will alert the somewhat confused reader that there is indeed a harsh reality behind the truth of what is going on around us right now today.

It explains WHY these people are willing to commit these crimes, because they are lunatics and don't actually care about other life forms.

We Sane people care about all life forms, and revere them greatly. That means every human being on Earth, despite their faults, and yes that includes our psychopathic leadership.

As a kind and caring populace, we Americans are more than willing to help get the psychological treatment these mentally ill power freaks need, but they will probably receive it while they are serving their just and deserving prison trips.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

You have video evidence of every person in Boston for the whole day? Whoa! How did you get that kind of evidence? Seems impossible to me, like how could every person have a camera and film their whole day and give you copies and somehow you reviewed them in entirety in time to make that post?

People all over are screaming "My Rights are being Violated", and all over the internet there are claims of people living in or next to Boston saying similar things, talking about police state military, etc.

Google it, put the keywords in. Actually go dig around a little.

Oh wait, you don't care about facts do you. You are here just to claim the opposite of what you think I am claiming, but you don't even understand my claim so you struggle to argue versus it.

There is a lot of evidence that all your evidence is wrong. But, here, I won't prove it to you. You probably wouldn't believe me anyway.

I think you're more likely to believe me if I don't provide any sources or links at all.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Like I said, you made a awesome thread, and one that has people talking and thinking.

Thank you very much for being so kind to me.

That was my goal, to get people talking and thinking in a clear direct way about this very subject in terms of political theory.

I put my entire heart and soul into it, and I know many people feel it deeply and understand it.
It is because (most of our) hearts speak the same language.
Kindness, Mercy, Caring, Love, Freedom.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I am going to tell you once about his though SMR, you will stop this behavior right now it is not acceptable to go around trying to paint ATS posters you disagree with as potential terrorists. It's pathetic and extremely shameful, especially when you know it's a 100% lie.

So, like, Martial Law, only on the forum,... in your thread ... BRILLIANT !

Originally posted by buckrogerstime

Originally posted by muzzleflash

You have video evidence of every person in Boston for the whole day? Whoa! How did you get that kind of evidence? Seems impossible to me, like how could every person have a camera and film their whole day and give you copies and somehow you reviewed them in entirety in time to make that post?

People all over are screaming "My Rights are being Violated", and all over the internet there are claims of people living in or next to Boston saying similar things, talking about police state military, etc.

Google it, put the keywords in. Actually go dig around a little.

Oh wait, you don't care about facts do you. You are here just to claim the opposite of what you think I am claiming, but you don't even understand my claim so you struggle to argue versus it.

There is a lot of evidence that all your evidence is wrong. But, here, I won't prove it to you. You probably wouldn't believe me anyway.

I think you're more likely to believe me if I don't provide any sources or links at all.

Impossible, you cannot have evidence of a lack of something.
You can only have evidence for something being.


Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence

Philosophy 101, learn it.

Originally posted by SMR

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I am going to tell you once about his though SMR, you will stop this behavior right now it is not acceptable to go around trying to paint ATS posters you disagree with as potential terrorists. It's pathetic and extremely shameful, especially when you know it's a 100% lie.

So, like, Martial Law, only on the forum,... in your thread ... BRILLIANT !

Please reconstruct your post into a legible format.
I haven't a clue what type of sarcastic attack it is suppose to be, therefore I cannot laugh at it, therefore it needs to be fixed.

Layman's terms then for you ...
You're telling me what to do, DEMANDING. Something you seem to be against yet do.

There was no Martial Law today and no persons were taken off to some secret location.
No FEMA camp was set up and everyone was working together to get things done is a scary, serious situation.
It is now over and life is back to normal in Boston.

reply to post by SMR


You know, when I speak my blasphemy against the religion of state ideology that you are a adherent to, you shouldn't get angry at me. I am just revealing the holes in your belief system after all. It's a favor, a gift of kindness.

I am used to this type of reaction, so it doesn't upset me or bother me. I merely analyze it and attempt to deconstruct it.

I don't mind that you had a bad day, and all your ideas came out wrong. That's cool it happens to all of us.

I will accept you as anyone else, all you have to do is fess up to the mistakes, ask for assistance looking up answers for your questions if you need them (like real questions).
I am more than willing to show you links and try to explain information for you, just ask a reasonable legitimate question.

If you are still convinced your religion of state ideology is superior, than debate the points of why it is superior to freedom ideology and play by the rules of a fair legitimate debate.

Originally posted by SMR
Layman's terms then for you ...
You're telling me what to do, DEMANDING. Something you seem to be against yet do.

There was no Martial Law today and no persons were taken off to some secret location.
No FEMA camp was set up and everyone was working together to get things done is a scary, serious situation.
It is now over and life is back to normal in Boston.

So I shouldn't demand that you don't get to call people terrorists since you disagree with their political points of view? You prefer innuendo?

Well, I am sorry no one here is a terrorist. This is anti-terrorist central.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I put my entire heart and soul into it, and I know many people feel it deeply and understand it.
It is because (most of our) hearts speak the same language.
Kindness, Mercy, Caring, Love, Freedom.

I knew immediately something was very different about this thread.

That explains why and WHAT a difference it makes.

This thread is some of the finest writing I have ever seen on ATS.

All of the hate, ridicule, and personal attacks on the OP is a very sad indication of just how deceived most people are.

These are simply very real indicators that tell me that he is speaking nothing but truth.

How sad that so few can handle that truth...

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Impossible, you cannot have evidence of a lack of something.
You can only have evidence for something being.


Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence

Philosophy 101, learn it.

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Oh, 'cause you said you had evidence of Watertown residents who stated that they dealt with some form of police misconduct today (e.g., their Fourth Amendment rights were violated). But you said I had to Google it myself. Why is the burden on me to prove your claims? That doesn't seem fair. Put me on salary, and I'll do it.

muzzleflash,
What are you talking about ? Your going into different topics here and I have stayed in one.
Your condescending attitude is duly noted though.

I feel that we will not agree on any of this so why try to even agree to disagree.
I feel the whole idea that Boston was in some form of Martial Law is ridiculous. I have seen Martial Law before and this was not it.

Originally posted by SMR
muzzleflash,
What are you talking about ? Your going into different topics here and I have stayed in one.
Your condescending attitude is duly noted though.

I feel that we will not agree on any of this so why try to even agree to disagree.
I feel the whole idea that Boston was in some form of Martial Law is ridiculous. I have seen Martial Law before and this was not it.

I am not choosing to be condescending to you.

You are on your knees from the fear mongering. I am trying to get you to look up, and stand up on your own, and relinquish that fear.

Once you stand up, you will see me eye to eye.

MuzzleFlash:

You know we are in deep crap because everyone believes in these fear-based fantasies and is so willing to demand to have their rights stripped from them for a false safety that will NEVER EXIST.

There is absolutely no doubt at all that Boston was visited with elements of martial law. Not a full declaration, nor even a small one, there was no declaration at all, just the application of necessary elements of it to begin the process of acclimatization and acceptance. The boundaries of what the people of America should accept as necessary to their safety were pushed a little further inwards. If it were not for the fear of a single, individual terrorist running loose in the city, Bostonians would have choked upon the martial fist that had gripped their city.

Once the audacious terrorist had been captured, and the martial grip slackend from the Bostonian throat, the people managed to rasp out their appreciation and applaud their military-garbed saviours, absent or perhaps uncaring of what had just transpired in their city this week? Terrorism was not the only 'terror' to have visited Boston in the last few days.

Of course, anything regarding martial law will be denied and challenged, and rightly so, let any claim for martial law be challenged, because technically, without an actual declaration of martial law, martial law cannot have occurred, so in effect in Boston, it hadn't. Still, I say it's a moot point. Afterall, if something looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, I'm going to call it a duck, even if it is not officially declared a duck!

Even if it was admitted that elements of martial law had been used, they would say it was for the safety and benefit of the Boston people, and that it was a necessary evil to apply them: this is where the argument is at its most seductive. Many will look at the logic of that statement and feel agreeably resonant to it. Who doesn't want to die or be harmed by a terrorist's bomb or bullet? Let me be the first to put my hand up. I've experienced terrorist bombings in my country some of the funding for which came from Boston, but of course, the funding of the IRA was an entirely different matter...was it not? When you support terrorism you don't perceive it as terrorism, it's simply supporting the cause of freedom fighters...but I digress or do I?

No element of martial law was established in mainland Britain at the height of the Troubles, even when the IRA was bombing it. It wouldn't have helped, it would've hindered, and it would've played into the IRA's plans. You simply clear the scene and get on with your lives. The point I am making here is not about the IRA or Britain's shameful history with Ireland, but that martial law is not beneficial to the people, it doesn't save or protect the people, its a device of implementation against the people for government purpose, and must never be perceived as a form of protection for anyone but for government authority.

What is it that defines a soldier? Is it the uniform? Is it the oath he takes? Is it the weapons he carries? Some might suggest that the answer to the first question is all of these, and probably a few other things? For me, what ultimately defines a soldier is his training and the application of his skill set, and what you saw on the streets of Boston during the lock down were soldiers and the application of some of their skillsets. Doesn't matter that you call them SWAT or FBI, it's the training they use and how they applied it that determines what they really are. They certainly were not 'ordinary' police!

Posse Comitatus was not suspended because no martial law was declared, no...posse comitatus was utterly ignored altogether. When is a duck not a duck? Well, in this case, when it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck. Go Figure.

If there are Bostonians whom want to applaud and cheerlead their lockdown custodians, let them do so, but don't allow them to be ignorant of what they are really cheering. They may feel safe from one form of terror, but there is a far greater one all around them that needs to be discussed and perceived for what it truly is.

reply to post by Chrisfishenstein


pepsi? ugh if i had to drink pepsi i would revolt, GIVE ME COKE OF GIVE ME DEATH

People , lets keep it non personal , we all have our own oppinions about this , our power lies in accepting each others believes , not to burn them.

For me it is not about the Show the police gave , but about how Civilians where left in the dark , Fighting domestic Terrorists cannot be a Government task only anymore , it will create a bigger wall between the Government and the people.

We all are in the same boat here.

TheGreazel.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by SMR
muzzleflash,
What are you talking about ? Your going into different topics here and I have stayed in one.
Your condescending attitude is duly noted though.

I feel that we will not agree on any of this so why try to even agree to disagree.
I feel the whole idea that Boston was in some form of Martial Law is ridiculous. I have seen Martial Law before and this was not it.

I am not choosing to be condescending to you.

You are on your knees from the fear mongering. I am trying to get you to look up, and stand up on your own, and relinquish that fear.

Once you stand up, you will see me eye to eye.

That's some creepy preacher type Yoda stuff right there ...

I am not fearing anything. If the same thing happened here as it did in Boston, I would be thankful that Law Enforcement came to my door and said, 'hey, mind if we check your place to make sure everything is OK' and I would say go ahead and thanks for making sure some terrorist isn't hiding in my basement or attic to later take me and my family hostage later.

Answer me this.
If what was going down in Boston happened in your neighborhood, would you have NOT stayed indoors. Would you have NOT let them check your house for the suspect ?

reply to post by elysiumfire


Thank you for that hard hitting information filled post Elysium. It is very important you bring up the IRA vs Brit and the topic of Martial Law.

People need to heed your wise advice, because your advice is based on historical precedent.
Just reading your post gets my mind all fired up, I love it!

And to anyone following along:

I challenge any reader to look up any instance of Martial Law that benefited the people of the nation, and post there for us to discuss. And we can argue the merits of how it worked out in real life.
I concede, finding such an instance will be rather difficult.

Originally posted by TheGreazel
People , lets keep it non personal , we all have our own oppinions about this , our power lies in accepting each others believes , not to burn them.

For me it is not about the Show the police gave , but about how Civilians where left in the dark , Fighting domestic Terrorists cannot be a Government task only anymore , it will create a bigger wall between the Government and the people.

We all are in the same boat here.

TheGreazel.

In terms of reporting, there is actually more transparency than ever before. Civilians probably have more access to police maneuvers and strategies than at any point in human history. The way we all kept up with the story was through official sources, media sources, and neutral eyewitnesses posting thousands of tweets, photos, and interviews. Everyone in the world had access to live streaming police scanners and local news for hours.