Title says: "Obama Will Let Me Go" ...So says a captured Illegal Alien

The word illegal means against the law.

You either love to abide by the law or you think the law is dumb.

Those who think the law is dumb cannot comprehend the laws of the universe they must abide by.

When you die you will see these laws of the universe cannot be escaped.

I abide by the law, never broke a single major law in my life, maybe I stole a candybar when I was a kid, but my parents made me return it, because it was a lesson on the importance of the law.

Small laws & big laws, it doesn't matter, all must be abided by excepting a case of the Spirit of the Law.

While I do agree, innocent young children who are only obeying their parents are not breaking any law their parents are. While I do agree a spirit of the law situation will come up from time to time, perhaps the drug cartels are trying to kill your family and you must illegally break into the USA to save your life making that one law worth breaking for a higher law, but I do not believe this is the circumstance of most illegals. They break the law because they are impatient and don't want to go through the legal process that so many hard working decent law abiding Mexicans have gone through.

Respect the law, live by the spirit of the law, but when you bring politics into the argument you turn into a self-serving blind follower of the popular crowd.

reply to post by mcdgray129

really all land should be free anyways

Every country has borders and immigration policies. Even Mexico. Did you know that Mexico has very very harsh policies, harsher than the US, and many Salvadorans are arrested in Mexico, in case you decide to try to back up your Progressive world without Borders argument with a declaration of racism.
It is just not practical or realistic to pine for that world without borders where everyone can just travel free and do what they please. The world operates differently, so it is naïve at best to suggest that illegals crossing should be given the maximum freedom to run about and take for themselves what US citizens have to pay for and be responsible for.
There is no vicarious atonement.
This Progressive idea of everyone just going where they want is Utopian at best and there is always an agenda behind it.

Even the Globalists enforce things when it suits them. In the real world, even though the Globalists promote a borderless society of world communism, they enforce all the rules, regulations, and border agendas when it gives them more power.

reply to post by jam321

I know it is the governments that are to blame for the problems. Illegals are merely the scrapegoats so that people won't get irate with their politicians.

There is plenty of greed and corruption in the Mexican government. El Presidente encourages Mexican nationals to cross the border so they can work and send money into Mexico. In Mexico there are all the same jobs as illegals do here, but they get paid less. They have gold mining, agriculture, oil, landscaping, and construction. That is a fact. The Mexican government needs to take responsibility for it's own stuff and not send the most poverty stricken untouchables to the US to take resources of US citizens.
There are many wealthy Mexicans, Brazilians, and others who come to the States and vacation at Disney world and spend money, so they are not all poor. I worked at package pickup for a bit and I saw the names and respective countries on the packages purchased.

reply to post by muse7

Honestly I would feel like the biggest hypocrite in the world if I called someone a criminal for chasing the same dreams that my forefathers chased more than a hundred years ago.

So you are saying that your family came here illegally? Interesting. Thanks for the disclosure.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by muse7

 

Honestly I would feel like the biggest hypocrite in the world if I called someone a criminal for chasing the same dreams that my forefathers chased more than a hundred years ago.

So you are saying that your family came here illegally? Interesting. Thanks for the disclosure.

lol wat?

I think someone needs to brush up on their reading comprehension skills

reply to post by Night Star

To place an illegal foreigner's needs above a citizen is not the answer.

Yes, this is exactly what the Progressives are doing, and they have an agenda. You are right, amnesty didn't work when Ronald Reagan tried it. He was as humanitarian as any President. It is ironic that it was a Progressive Democrat who closed out immigration through Ellis Island and put caps on it, but today we are expected to donate half our paycheck for the benefit of illegals. Millions of US citizens are suffering under the strain of the idiotic Progressive policies of the current President.
Socialism is not, and never was a real answer to poverty and it is no more humanitarian than voluntary private charity.

reply to post by malchir


Actually, in case any of you are interested, the term "illegal aliens" is considered derogatory. Their advocates prefer "undocumented residents."


Yeah, yeah....I know, it is what it is. But there's no need to use the i-word. It's like using the n-word. Or the w-word (wetbacks). Just try to be more empathetic, people.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

this is exactly what the Progressives are doing, and they have an agenda.

You are so wrong it's funny.
The 'Progressives; are fighting on behalf of EVERYONE who is suffering at the hands of government and corrupt business and oligarchy. ALL of them, including suffering Americans. You keep blaming everyone except who deserves the blame, and that is the right-wing wealth-hoarders who don't give a crap about other people's lives. All they care about is their flipping Profits.

To them, people are ants. And when you defend them, that makes you a tyrant, too.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

So you are saying that your family came here illegally? Interesting. Thanks for the disclosure.

WHAT?
That wasn't at ALL what muse was saying. Wow.

My paternal ancestors, too, came here around 1900, from Europe, and arrived at Ellis island. There was nothing ILLEGAL about it! They were refugees seeking a better life.

Do you even know how YOU wound up here? Do you have the slightest idea who your great-great-grandparents were? Or their forefathers before them, as far back as when they arrived? What is your ancestry? Are you a Native American? Somehow I doubt it, but if that were the case, you would have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you're just talking nonsense with that giant pounce and attack against muse.

Sickening and shameful.


You know what, don't bother answering me. I really don't want to engage in an exchange with you. I've tried it before.
Consider them rhetorical questions meant to spark your brain into gear.

reply to post by muse7


No I don't. Why would you put your family in the same category as illegals if they were not illegal? Illegals are not the only people to have it rough. This whole socialist bleeding heart stuff is nonsense. Socialism is not an answer and never was.

Even the Master Jesus said,

For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

Matthew 26:11
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In other words, it is more important to have the Christ Mind now in you than to be thought well of for giving to the poor, because there will always be poor people in this world and Jesus knew that the demands of the poor of the world would never be allayed. He also knew the law of karma and that while we may give generously to the poor, they are still responsible for their own lifestreams.

Paul also gave a similar mention in the poor taking responsibility for themselves in Galations.

For every man shall bear his own burden.

Galatians 6:5
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This is the law of karma and it will come back again and again till the soul learns.

Many do not understand the Universal truths and instead seek to portray themselves as humanitarian in a most self-righteous manner.

reply to post by wildtimes

did you know that in most states, you must be living there for a minimum of 6 months before you qualify as a 'resident' ??

so, not only are we expected to bypass their criminalities to get here, but we're expected to support their existence for 6 months AND cater to PC vocabulary that they REFUSE to use ???

that's some compromise expected from the VICTIMS of their ongoing crimes, don't ya think ??

what's wrong with calling them what they are ???
criminals

reply to post by wildtimes

don't suppose you could prove this assertion with facts eh ?

The 'Progressives; are fighting on behalf of EVERYONE who is suffering at the hands of government and corrupt business and oligarchy.

from what i've read, never in a day of their existence but please, show me otherwise.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

So you are saying that your family came here illegally? Interesting. Thanks for the disclosure.

WHAT?
That wasn't at ALL what muse was saying. Wow.

My paternal ancestors, too, came here around 1900, from Europe, and arrived at Ellis island. There was nothing ILLEGAL about it! They were refugees seeking a better life.

Do you even know how YOU wound up here? Do you have the slightest idea who your great-great-grandparents were? Or their forefathers before them, as far back as when they arrived? What is your ancestry? Are you a Native American? Somehow I doubt it, but if that were the case, you would have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you're just talking nonsense with that giant pounce and attack against muse.

Sickening and shameful.

You know what, don't bother answering me. I really don't want to engage in an exchange with you. I've tried it before.
Consider them rhetorical questions meant to spark your brain into gear.

Yep I have maternal ancestors who came on Ellis Island. I also have a Revolutionary War Patriot ancestor. So why should any of this mean I would identify with people who come illegally knowing they are breaking the laws and decide to have rallies and protests demanding the same rights as US native and natural born citizens and those who were naturalized legally?

Don't bother answering you because you know everything there is to know and you cannot be bothered with hearing another viewpoint that doesn't match the bleeding heart construct you have of yourself?

Ok then I will answer so that everyone else on this board gets the point. And while you are pretending to not read my posts because of some self righteous construct, remember to NOT read my post with biblical references.


What I saw in Muses post was an identification with desperate people in desperate measures and many people did come over here out of that desperation, but they STILL had to do it LEGALLY and there is no reason to identify with people taking what they want illegally. THAT is my point and neither of you will see it. Furthermore, Muse did not make the distinction between legal and illegal and just because he ridiculed me over reading comprehension doesn't change that, as he still never answered a definitive yes or no. In his mind it is all the same because it is all a need that according to Marx,

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

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In the Marxist/Socialist point of view, it is only that if one has a need, then someone else who has more should give it up. Therefore in the mind of a Marxist Progressive, legal or illegal has no meaning.

Still, Progressives and Marxists will endeavor to make unrighteous things legal as a means of forcing their ideas and agendas on others.

Take the Common Core educational agenda for instance. They use people's ignorance and stupidity to force their Progressive ideas on the youth by an end run around the Constitution, instituting standards and curriculum at the Federal level, literally overruling State's rights. They are willing to override the Constitution to force their agenda.
I know of lawsuits pending regarding this very matter right here in my state.

What the hell is wrong with you people? I see someone say "No it isn't Barack Obama... it's Barack Hussein Obama" like, what the hell is that supposed to change? It's his name. What? Because it sounds "terrorist" to you? All of you people are being lied to on a daily basis, and laughed at. No one takes any of you seriously. Getting on this site and posting BS like this is taking away from the real problems on the planet. Such as corporations ruling our lives, police brutally arresting people on the streets, our genes being patented by CEOs... not this BS. Illegal immigrants should have to come in a legal way, but it should be made much easier for them than it is at the moment.

If you think illegal immigrants are the reasons for the problems in this country, you are sadly mistaken. You obviously have been blind for years or you are cleverly lied to consistently. You see all of these school shootings and rapes and wars, but who is it done by? Immigrants? No, the "good" people of the United States. This guy saying "Obama will let me go" just has the idea that the US is the "land of the free and liberty", when sadly it isn't. Because of people like you.

Embrace your fellow man, help your fellow man, and I bet we'd be out of all of these problems. You choose the possession of private property and "personal liberty" over your fellow man.

reply to post by alienmma


I'm very glad you joined the thread. Star. I'd applaud you if I could.
True, every word of what you said.

Embrace your fellow man, help your fellow man, and I bet we'd be out of all of these problems. You choose the possession of private property and "personal liberty" over your fellow man.

Yep, we would be out of these problems. And yep, they do choose personal property and "liberty" over their fellow human beings. You nailed it.

I really wonder how some people can't think past their noses. I think t's because they listen to Glenn Beck and his ilk, and don't examine actual history - even the histories of their own families, I bet.

As I said above, the First Tribes - the Native American Nations - whatever they prefer to be called - are the ONLY ONES who can legitimately claim sovereignty here!! And the people in Central America were there LONG before the 'whites' arrived, and much of the territory north of the border was THEIRS. It makes my heart heavy.

The Arrogance (with a capital 'A') of some Americans astounds me, truly.

reply to post by alienmma


Obama is a Progressive Leninist/Marxist and his name has very little meaning except on the occultic level. His policies have virtually nothing to do with his name.

If you think illegal immigrants are the reasons for the problems in this country

I think many are a victim of the corrupt policies of their home country. Coming here doesn't change any of those policies so these governments will continue many of the detrimental things regardless of whether they live in the States or not. Why allow such things to continue by applying bandaids and giving illegals rights that belong to citizens? Taking advantage of another country's resources is not a valid solution.
We are just enabling bad governing just like families often enable their alcoholic members. I am not going to enable the Marxist government of Brazil just because they are creating suffering of people. This is not going to solve anything. And going Socialist is just furthering the problem.

During the holidays, when Brazilians are resting and expecting a happy new year, President Lula and his gang of former leftist terrorists and bank robbers, now ministers of state, crafted and signed a law project that can very well turn Brazil into a Soviet Republic.
In an excellent example of Hegelian dialects and novilingua, the project tries to institute a "Human Rights National Program", a presidential decree #7037, from 21/12/09. Human rights, in this law, means anything that the government wants it to mean, and is an excuse to review all laws, censor all media, confiscate private property and abolish the freedom of speech. In one stroke of a pen, Lula wants to implement a total Marxist revolution that he was, until now, hiding from the people.
- See more at: www.henrymakow.com...

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Hey ThirdEye, you sound just like a white supremacist. Just thought I'd mention it.

Perhaps give some thought to how your precious white right-wing talking heads wound up being here -

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Hey ThirdEye, you sound just like a white supremacist. Just thought I'd mention it.

Perhaps give some thought to how your precious white right-wing talking heads wound up being here -

When losing an argument made in self righteousness, just resort to name calling and Alinsky's Rules For Radicals.

That should win it for you.

Perhaps if you studied more, you would understand the agendas of Marxism being implemented around the world and you would finally give up your dream that everyone else has a right to take from someone else.

You value secular humanism over the wisdom of the ages.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

And what is faulty about that?

Nothing. Not one damn thing. Everyone does their best at what they do; and they are compensated. And if they have 'more' to offer, they receive recognition for it. BUT NO ONE is left to starve.

No, I don't know everything about everything, but if your ancestors came over here just like mine did, how can you complain about people needing to come here now? THE LAWS have been changed is the only difference. THE NEED has NOT.

You know, honestly, I really WAS ignoring your replies - I saw them on my inbox window - and deliberately refused to read them. But then I thought....I'll just have a peek. And true to form, your post reflects supremacism and un-regulated capitalism all the way. So then...are you one of those born-rich old money New Englanders? Or a Southern Belle?

Or simply a bible-thumping Beck fan? I don't know. I don't care except out of curiosity, and no, I don't expect an answer, again.
:shk:

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


What? You do sound like a white supremacist. Just saying. Thought you might appreciate the feedback. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

Many of you hard-right conservatives tell me I sound like a communist, or demon-possessed, and I'm not.

See how that feels?

Lady I have studied this stuff more than you have any idea. Could even be longer than you've been alive. I know exactly what it is.

You are being duped, played, mocked, and used, to shore up the failing oligarchy of this lost and crippled nation.

Your thinking is quite uneducated, honestly, and it appears that you don't use actual, legitimate resources to do your 'studying'. You appear to be taking Fox News and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh or your Pastor or whoever as some sort of learned marvels. No. They aren't. They are sensationalist destructors, and it's working.

And they're making you look bad. Leave them. Get a new perspective, and then come back and talk to me. Thanks.

Yes, secular humanism is FAR SUPERIOR to the "wisdom of the ages" in terms of today, here, and now.

Read some Plato. Republic might be of interest to you. Promotes dictated professions, specific education, eugenics, and lots of other things. That's the 'wisdom of the ages' that you want to follow? Did you know that the trial and execution of Socrates was nearly plagiarized in the story of Jesus?

That 'wisdom of the ages' ended in the fall of Rome, remember? And it's happening again, here, now. That's just all there is to it.

Then read some Buddhist classics, or Hindu classics. Those are even "agy-er"' wisdoms from prior ages.

The 'wisdom of the ages' that I follow has to do with loving your neighbor as yourself, and doing what is RIGHT by your fellow man, with no expectation of compensation. THAT is what is 'grace.'
*walks away muttering, 'tells me to study more.' facepalms*

:shk: Unbelievable.