What is it like being dead for eternity?

Originally posted by elysiumfire
The deluded, blind to their delusion, can never be taught to 'see', they must find it somehow within themselves to 'look' and eventually break free from their own chains..

Interesting... we shall see.

Question: If you could choose to live another life after this one, or choose to be dissolved into oblivion, which would you pick? Choose carefully...

Originally posted by HairlessApe
That's not to say death isn't a mystery. What happens after may or may not be magnificent. But near-death experience is an illusion.

Life-experience is also an illusion.

Originally posted by elysiumfire
Necrotic radiation is the only significant phenomenon that might loosely be applied to any particular aspect of early-stage afterlife. It doesn't prove afterlife, no more so than NDE proves afterlife, but it does give an energy release mechanism at the time of physical death. The question to ask is to what end has nature provided this energy release? Why this particular way, rather than a non-detectable dissolution? If afterlife is real, you have to discuss energy mechanisms, because that is the route by which it will be realised and accepted.

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Correct, and well said. It's interesting, in the beginning, you seemed so overwhelmingly sure that one's consciousness is unable to exist after death, but then you offer up all these interesting tidbits and musings that speak to the contrary...

Originally posted by elysiumfire
One may, perhaps, suggest that we slough off the physical body like the moult of a snake's skin, and remain enwrapped in a finer more ethereal body like the so-called astral and etheric layers? Fair enough, but how are such layers energetically maintained? How is the conscious state maintained energetically? To accept with a plausible conviction a belief in the afterlife, one has to answer the energy mechanism problem for post-mortem survival. I have been down that road and remain wanting of an answer. Maybe minds far more perceptive than mine can provide it?

I don't think you'll know for sure until after you're dead, but I think you'll eventually know for sure...

Anyway, I've enjoyed reading your posts, thanks for writing them!

ExquistExample:

Question: If you could choose to live another life after this one, or choose to be dissolved into oblivion, which would you pick? Choose carefully...

I didn't choose to be born, I've no choice in the matter regarding dying, the question is irrelevant regarding choice, especially on the subject of 'dissolving into oblivion', which will be the ultimate end to everyone's finite existence (imo).

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Didn't you? On the subject of choice... I find that Joshiah's views and outlooks on the nature of consciousness and reality to be very likely to be true. I'll share the link, and you may use your own discretion in the matter.

www.joshiah.com...

There's also audio available for the session, which can be activated by clicking on the speaker icon. I like to open it in a separate tab and listen as I read along. Hopefully this will be of some use to you, or perhaps to someone else.

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I can't explain what happened with my father. All i know is, it happened. It might be nothing to do with him.. but it just seems to strange to be a coincidence. I can't explain it, i just stated it.

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Evidence - Noun
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Verb - Be or show evidence of.

Showing no evidence of something can't prove it does/doesn't exist...

And regards to your "stance" i appreciate you have an opinion and i respect it. But it's not an opinion when you categorically state that there is no afterlife. That's not an opinion, it's a false fact.

ExquistExample:

I find that Joshiah's views and outlooks on the nature of consciousness and reality to be very likely to be true.

Channelling? I thought Seth was bad enough! To be honest, this is hardly the route to go down for the offering of evidence. I would have hoped for a more scientific basis. I found myself in fair disagreement with 'Joshiah's verbose description on consciousness, and to be fair with the 'OP' and to all the other posters this really does takes us away from the theme of the thread, one in which my own participation proved not a little bombastic. Apologies to all, and I take my leave. Regards.

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I had rather assumed that would be the case, but I felt the need to post anyway. Anyway, thanks for your candor.

Blink and you'll miss it.

Originally posted by ExquisitExamplE.

Question: If you could choose to live another life after this one, or choose to be dissolved into oblivion, which would you pick? Choose carefully...

Did you have a choice on how you were born, how you picked your parents etc? Or we're you made by two people who physically combined their DNA and you are the random result?

For me I had no choice in the matter and when I die I will not have a choice either. We humans have this great ability to think in the abstract, and we spend much of our time there, but because we can take an abstract thought and make it real we also assume we can take something real and make it abstract, such as we enter an afterlife.

Let me ask you a question, why should there be an afterlife? As our universe started out as almost pure hydrogen and through massive supernovas the other natural elements were created to what we see to day, how does an afterlife fit in all that, how does this abstract thought that we created fit in and why should it?

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Did you have a choice on how you were born, how you picked your parents etc? Or we're you made by two people who physically combined their DNA and you are the random result?

I believe I did have a choice, yes. I believe that every thing we experience in this reality is a result of our choice to be here, whether we choose to believe that or not. Everything you experience is a direct reflection of your belief systems.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
For me I had no choice in the matter and when I die I will not have a choice either. We humans have this great ability to think in the abstract, and we spend much of our time there, but because we can take an abstract thought and make it real we also assume we can take something real and make it abstract, such as we enter an afterlife.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Let me ask you a question, why should there be an afterlife? As our universe started out as almost pure hydrogen and through massive supernovas the other natural elements were created to what we see to day, how does an afterlife fit in all that, how does this abstract thought that we created fit in and why should it?

Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth, there is no ultimate right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which we amuse our selves by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are.

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I can post 1 more dream I remember if you are interested.

Perhaps create a thread dedicated to dreams.

Maybe when we become nothing we borrow something from noting and become again.

Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
Maybe when we become nothing we borrow something from noting and become again.

Is there an experience of nothing? What is nothing?

Originally posted by ExquisitExamplE

I believe I did have a choice, yes. I believe that every thing we experience in this reality is a result of our choice to be here, whether we choose to believe that or not. Everything you experience is a direct reflection of your belief systems.

You should logically think about your own ideas. So Justin Bieber had the choice and picked a teen idol life and the crack baby born into the world with serious issues like that scenario better?

Also what is a choice if you never know of it?

You suggest we create our own reality so does every living thing also create their own reality? Am I the only real thing in my reality? You know, we are related to every living thing on the planet. We even share DNA with grass and trees, so you are suggesting every living thing has a choice in life, or are we the only living thing with this special condition?

Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth, there is no ultimate right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which we amuse our selves by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are.

Infinite in time or size or both? Time wise it has not been infinite. The was a start and most likely an end too in either case of whether we expand indefinitely or reach a point of contraction. Too much gravity or the lack of will be the end. Now if you suggest we exist beyond our universe I would once again ask why would we, how could we when we are of this universe.


It is true my matter will not be destroyed, but transformed into other forms of matter, but you are not talking matter here, but some kind of essence of life that is somehow outside of our universe, not needing to be confined by the constraints within our universe.

So once again why would our universe need this in anyway?

When neurons stop firing so does thought. Whether it is simple impulses from an ant or complex ones from humans it stops when the physical functions stops.

Originally posted by Ramcheck
When we die, any self importance we once believed and / or proclaimed were true, has gone. We are worm food and soil nutrients - however positive or harmful to the soil depending on our diet whilst living. Incineration of the body is the most economical and selfless way of removing oneself from the planet imo.

*snif* your going to make me cry thanks for that post though, always nice to see a realist.

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Oh come on we all know that is a lie pushed by the powers that be so as to control us

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Well how did you feel around jesus birth? Or a couple of hundreds of years after that?

Right. There is your answer.

It feels like nothing.

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I read a few pages of a bible once. I think the origin of religion is Roman, subjugation of christ. You can see my knowledge is sketchy. The darkness is the ocean of time, that im sure of only.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
Maybe when we become nothing we borrow something from noting and become again.

Is there an experience of nothing? What is nothing?

If I knew the answer to that I would have nothing to answer.