Today, I am Ashamed to be a Member of ATS

reply to post by HelenConway





Wish I could give you more than one star for some of your posts....My feelings are that

the last 13 years of labour have given us the 'entitlement generation' where no one is

prepared to take any responsibilities for themselves.

The scenes of the so called 'celebrations' are obscene, the behaviour is like a bunch of

Hyenas...."Have they no dignity?"

I have done some thinking and reflecting on these parties celebrating the death of thatcher and the more and ponder it the sadder the reality of what has happened to our country I have become.

I think it is a very damming indictment of the morally absent society we have become that we take such perverse joy in the death of an old lady. What a travesty it is that it would seem that many of my fellow countrymen joy together in unity to celebrate with joy the death of an old lady and spit on her grave with vile and disgusting sentiments. It makes me wonder how lacking in joy someone’s life has to be that they can find joy in the death of an old lady.

As I watch the morality of my country further collapse as people run around laughing at “rust in peace” and vote “ding dong the witch is dead” to the top of the charts to celebrate the death of an old lady I hear them justify their jubilations. They cry out that her politics and policies through the 1980s drove them and their families to despair, in celebrating her death all they do is tarnish their own political ideas yet are too stupid to realise this.

Most of these people who are out on the streets celebrating were not even old enough to vote for thatcher in her last 1987 election, which she won, the third consecutive win. To have been old enough to vote in that election one would have to now be 44 years old, looking at the people out partying I doubt they are even close to that age.

The truth is that most of them probably where not old enough to vote for her, some probably didn’t even know what the poll tax was or what war milk tasted like. They don’t remember the thatcher years but they have heard the stories. They are not partying at the passing of a political idea, that would be a justifiable party, to celebrate the end of political upheaval at the hands of a unpopular leader. They are celebrating the death of an old lady for no other reason than to have a laugh and they use the group mentality to justify what is actually a very sick celebration, sure it might be disgusting to jump on the grave of the dead but when everyone is doing it its fair game.

This is sick.

I really don’t know how to say that I am more disgusted with my fellow countrymen.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin






Excellent post


And I agree with you in that the fact many of those who are 'celebrating' (for want of a

better word) were too young to have known the time when she was prime minister

there for their take on the subject is second or even third hand!! I would hazard a guess

that they also are the ones who do NOT use their vote ... Don't like the government?

exercise your prerogative and vote .... just stop whinging

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


I think people have been given an opinion of her that was not really their own.

Like you say, if they are under 35, then they were not even schoolkids under Thatcher.

We all had our opinions handed to us, too young to understand,too short-sighted to discern...

This is all FAKE. And set up. she was pushed out because of her views on Europe.

She was against a European Central Bank and the Eurozone.

"People" have been spreading "opinions" about her for decades

and everyone loves an easy enemy to hate.



Everyone reads the headlines, no-one checks the sources.

We have all been had.



And she saw it coming.

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by Bioshock
I think it really comes down to that some people worship these corrupt scumbags because they see them as leaders... it's like a religion to them. And the normal human instinct to be glad to be rid of them is clouded because they see them as gods of some sort.

It's sad really... a twisting of the normal human emotions. These are brain damaged people.

edit on 11-4-2013 by Bioshock because: (no reason given)

that is a really interesting perspective. I think you are missing the point. It matters not if you like Mrs T or not. It is nasty and disrespectful to dance on someones grave, before they even have one.

When I read your comment I thought,' right back at you mate ' and the others.

I am genuinely puzzled why you think that it is acceptable for people to go to 'death parties' and jeer and laugh at someones death. It is beyond me.

It is a simple matter of balance. In the media and politics the woman is hailed and honored , It is disrespectful , it is disrespectful to all the peoples lives she affected. The media and politicians AND BANKERS want to honor her for her "achievements , people are offended (now stop to wonder why).

reply to post by Theflyingweldsman


That is how she spoke in the media. The rules that she put in favor OF banks said otherwise and she/they got their wish. England's currency never changed to the euro and it still hasn't.

reply to post by Rubic0n






And why would we ever want to have the euro as currency? It has halved in value

since it came in to use. Look at the plight of

* Cyprus

* Greece

* Spain

* Italy

And Ireland had to keep on voting till they came up with the answer the EU wanted!!

Originally posted by eletheia
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

And why would we ever want to have the euro as currency? It has halved in value

since it came in to use. Look at the plight of

* Cyprus

* Greece

* Spain

* Italy

And Ireland had to keep on voting till they came up with the answer the EU wanted!!

The plight of? While I have every sympathy for the citizens affected, if those in power of those countries hadn't cooked the books and lied through their teeth in order to gain entry to, and whilst in fleece it to death the Euro might not be in the mucky mire that it's in.

“The European single currency is bound to fail, economically, politically and indeed socially, though the timing, occasion and full consequences are all necessarily still unclear.” — Margaret Thatcher,

(On The European Union) “What we should grasp, however, from the lessons of European history is that, first, there is nothing necessarily benevolent about programmes of European integration; second, the desire to achieve grand utopian plans often poses a grave threat to freedom; and third, European unity has been tried before, and the outcome was far from happy.” — Margaret Thatcher,

“(A unified) ‘Europe’ is the result of plans. It is, in fact, a classic utopian project, a monument to the vanity of intellectuals, a programme whose inevitable destiny is failure: only the scale of the final damage done is in doubt.” — Margaret Thatcher,

Rainbows
Jane

reply to post by Rubic0n


I do not believe that is true. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with nasty toxic people celebrating death. it is disgusting,

reply to post by HelenConway


Enough drama, I'm sure! No one is celebrating death as a concept. They're just glad this lady is plain gone.

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

I do not believe that is true. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with nasty toxic people celebrating death. it is disgusting,

Agreed this is not about politics anyone who says it is either a liar or just ignorantly following the toxic crowds with their disgusting chants of hate.

If it were about politics then they should have had these celebrations in 1990, I know that quiet a lot of people did. It is perfectly ok in my view to celebrate the end of political upheaval, even by cheering harsh words about an old leader.

That to me is the significant difference between celebrating the death of a dictator like Gaddafi and Thatcher. The people celebrating Gaddafi’s death were not only celebrating the death of a man but they were celebrating the end of a tyrannical government that his death represented. Yes it is still wrong but I can empathise with it. Thatcher reign in politics ended 25 years ago, so none can say they are celebrating the end of a political era, she does not represent any political era, Thaterchism ended when she left government.

As such no one can argue that these celebrations are political because they are simply not, in reality they are nasty celebrations to jump for joy at the death of a old lady who some people disagreed with 25 years ago. It’s just appalling.

Originally posted by EllaMarina
reply to post by HelenConway

 

Enough drama, I'm sure! No one is celebrating death as a concept. They're just glad this lady is plain gone.

she was gone 25 years ago. now she is dead, people are on the streets celebrating her death.

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

I do not believe that is true. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with nasty toxic people celebrating death. it is disgusting,

Ehm....

\Sarcasm

Yes , you are absolutely right. These people have been waiting for years for this particular person to pass away and no other in order to have a excuse to express their happiness in said persons death.

There was no political reasoning for this whatsoever. Just psychotic people that had no reason other then "because".

/sarcasme



Or so you say.

For some reason.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

I do not believe that is true. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with nasty toxic people celebrating death. it is disgusting,

That to me is the significant difference between celebrating the death of a dictator like Gaddafi and Thatcher. The people celebrating Gaddafi’s death were not only celebrating the death of a man but they were celebrating the end of a tyrannical government that his death represented. Yes it is still wrong but I can empathise with it.

Now you see, I was with you until you brought up Ghadafi....



I blame Clinton for all this 'celebration'
Rainbows
Jane

Originally posted by angelchemuel

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

I do not believe that is true. It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with nasty toxic people celebrating death. it is disgusting,

That to me is the significant difference between celebrating the death of a dictator like Gaddafi and Thatcher. The people celebrating Gaddafi’s death were not only celebrating the death of a man but they were celebrating the end of a tyrannical government that his death represented. Yes it is still wrong but I can empathise with it.

Now you see, I was with you until you brought up Ghadafi....

I blame Clinton for all this 'celebration'
Rainbows
Jane

No you see jane , it is alright to celebrate the death of anyone that does not cooperate with the west or is in any way in its way. Our own western corrupt politicians however need to be revered and we need to pretend they where good and honorable in their lives.

I suggest people watch that video of Hilary again and now imagine all the wonderful imagery we will see on TV about her in the not so distant future about how she was a peace loving ,caring and level headed mother/woman/politician instead of the power hungry anti-social nut job psycho she really is .

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that is right.
second

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

that is right.
second

If that is how you think then you have a even more twisted mind then the people cheering about thatchers passing , even worse is the fact that you yourself do not even realize it.

reply to post by Rubic0n


I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to convey. I agree with everything you said
Rainbows
Jane

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

that is right.
second

If that is how you think then you have a even more twisted mind then the people cheering about thatchers passing , even worse is the fact that you yourself do not even realize it.

well - that is what I think about people who celebrate the death of an elderly woman , yet to be buried, who was a Prime Minister and your cheering cousins - no respect, nasty, vindictive .. for starters.

As stated many times - the reason Britain is in the doldrums is precisely because of the large number of sick and twisted people who live here - as evidenced by their 'joy' at the passing of a woman. Disgraceful and we will never agree so i will not respond to you again.