Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by adjensen

 

There are reasonable responses, of course, to all of your criticisms -- the Monstrance, for example, is shaped the way that it is to reflect, not the sun, but to reflect that Christ is the light of the world

Dude it is what it is. I never took you for a blind man Adjensen. Does the monstrance not look like a solar disc with starburst flames, yes or no? Stop applying your religion to it and see the object for what it is. It looks like a blooming Star.

It doesn't matter what it looks like, it's what it represents, and what it represents is Jesus (in the Eucharist) shining as the light of the world. Period. There's no hidden "sun worship" in it, there's nothing that you have to read into, it just represents that, and if you're going to represent light, how are you going to do so? In a manner such as you see in the Monstrance.

In addition, no one worships the Monstrance, worship is directed solely at Christ, who we believe, and which has been taught since the beginnings of the church, begun by Christ's own words at the Last Supper, is present in the Eucharist.

It doesn't matter what it looks like? I am pretty sure Moses heard the same excuse when he came down and found his people worshipping the golden calf. It too was merely supposed to represent God.

Have you even read what I wrote? The Monstrance isn't "supposed to represent God" -- it holds the Eucharist that we believe is the body of Christ. That's it. No one worships it, and no one thinks that it is God, or represents him.

Whether you agree with it or not, can you at least make a minimum effort to understand it?

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by colbe
My pride, It hurt to read you say something unkind to me.

I apologize for having hurt you, Colbe, I just believe that we are all in this together, and we are where God wants us to be. For you and I, that is the Roman church, for others, that is not the Roman church, and my personal perspective is that that's okay, because salvation is God's call, not mine.

As an apologist, I need to defend our faith against misrepresentations of what it is and what it teaches, but I don't feel the need to convince everyone that I'm right, they're wrong and they need to think what I do.

We all come to God through Jesus, and so long as that is first and foremost in a person's theology, I am content to set the rest of it aside, because I'd rather let someone operate under assumptions that are far different from mine than to accidentally dissuade them (or anyone else who happens to be listening,) from that personal relationship with God by badgering them or ripping apart something that they hold dear.

"truejew" is a special case, in that he is not only a heretic who is attempting to recruit people into his cult, but I think that he lacks that personal relationship entirely.

You can reject me as not being a "real Catholic", and I'm okay with that, because I readily admit that I'm more "catholic" than I am "Catholic", and that's due to who I am, what my past experiences have been and the reason that I am a member of the Roman Catholic church.

So, again, apologies for hurting you, and I hope that I've clarified my position.

I have called you an apologist in past threads and in so many words in my last reply. I hope we remain friends. I am sorry again for my touchiness.

I see things in the light of prophecy since my reversion.

God wants everyone to be Roman Catholic but upbringing, free will stops some. And others have little knowledge of God's plan. We gotta keep sharing the faith and implore when we can, come along dear brothers and sisters.


May the Two Hearts keep you safe adjensen,

colbe

Originally posted by colbe
Catholics ARE more enlightened,

no they're not

This is NOT a prideful statement

uh, yeah, it is.
It is also ignorant and presumptuous.

So, we are more enlightened.

Whatever makes you feel better.
But saying it over and over doesn't make it true.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but, Jesus wasn't Catholic. He was a Jew. Neither were any of the Apostles. Not one Catholic in the bunch. No Protestants either.......all Jewish. Salvation was truly from the Jews, but the whole of mankind was reconciled in Christ's death. There is no distinction. To speak otherwise, is to call the beloved Apostle Paul a liar.

Does your understanding exceed that of a chosen Disciple of God Himself?

Let me tell you something people, GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF RELIGION.
Period.
THE END.
So get over it.

Christ came to UNITE us into ONE BODY, not to DIVIDE us into the denominations of men. This would also include the denomination of Catholicism. The Catholic Church is an institution, not the Body of Christ. Protestantism is an institution, not the Body of Christ.

The Body of Christ is ALL Believers who have accepted salvation through Jesus Christ. Those whom have been baptized with the Holy Spirit have been partitioned with gifts of the Spirit which are uniquely particular to each person, when put together, function as a whole.

We don't have time for this crap people. It's time to get over your pride, quit wallowing in ignorance and seek to understand for which part of His Body you have been purposed. The mother of all turds is about to hit the fan and His "PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING"!!

By the way, I grew up Catholic, so save your breath for any accusation of hatin' on the Catholics.

A true Christian is simply a person who follows Christ, with their whole heart, to the best of their ability.

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet

Originally posted by colbe
Catholics ARE more enlightened,

no they're not

This is NOT a prideful statement

uh, yeah, it is.
It is also ignorant and presumptuous.

So, we are more enlightened.

Whatever makes you feel better.
But saying it over and over doesn't make it true.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but, Jesus wasn't Catholic. He was a Jew. Neither were any of the Apostles. Not one Catholic in the bunch. No Protestants either.......all Jewish. Salvation was truly from the Jews, but the whole of mankind was reconciled in Christ's death. There is no distinction. To speak otherwise, is to call the beloved Apostle Paul a liar.

Does your understanding exceed that of a chosen Disciple of God Himself?

Let me tell you something people, GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF RELIGION.
Period.
THE END.
So get over it.

Christ came to UNITE us into ONE BODY, not to DIVIDE us into the denominations of men. This would also include the denomination of Catholicism. The Catholic Church is an institution, not the Body of Christ. Protestantism is an institution, not the Body of Christ.
The Body of Christ is ALL Believers who have accepted salvation through Jesus Christ. Those whom have been baptized with the Holy Spirit have been partitioned with gifts of the Spirit which are uniquely particular to each person, when put together, function as a whole.

We don't have time for this crap people. It's time to get over your pride, quit wallowing in ignorance and seek to understand for which part of His Body you have been purposed. The mother of all turds is about to hit the fan and His "PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING"!!

By the way, I grew up Catholic, so save your breath for any accusation of hatin' on the Catholics.

A true Christian is simply a person who follows Christ, with their whole heart, to the best of their ability.

WashMoreFeet, hello,

"Denomination" is not a Catholic term. It is a word used by Protestants to describe their various Churches, their many splits. Which denomination is Our Lord returning to reveal in His middle coming, which one is the true faith?

You share the Protestant definition of the Church because Protestantism cannot be specific, you are all divided (ie: by the thousands) disagreeing among yourselves on the teachings of Christ. "Accepting salvation through Jesus Christ" is the only thing you do agree about but how can that be the total sum of Christ's revelation? It is true all mankind's salvation comes through Jesus Christ but there is more to be believed and lived to get to Heaven. "Faith Alone" is terrible heresy.

God wants you to become Catholic. We live in a time where God is going to show the entire world His desire but everyone, non-Christians too will have to choose if you wish to become Catholic. If I was not Catholic, I would find this hard to believe so keep it on your heart, remember because...

Prophecy is preparing you, Jesus is gently getting Protestants ready to accept the faith. Yesterday, Susan
O'Marra, a Protestant messenger was given a vision of body forming and standing up. One body. She was
given this Scripture verse to go with ~ www.openheaven.com...

TextEphesians 4:13 King James Version (KJV) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

The only institution who proclaims she is the Church Jesus established is Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is the faith. Only RC proclaims she has the "fullness" of Christ's revelation and the fullest means to God's grace. It is not boastful, this is the reason Catholics are more enlightened AND their responsibility before God is also greater.

With your background, MO, you are going to give your "yes" to God. A holy person was given a vision years ago of Protestants rushing forward past their Catholic brothers and sisters to receive Our Lord in the Eucharist. Prophecy is going to happen. I wish everyone would believe now. Pray, pray, pray for conversions.


God bless you,


colbe

reply to post by colbe


You are disturbingly deceived and only serving to be a stumbling block to others.

The only thing God wants is to redeem His creation, most importantly, His children whom will make up His eternal resting place as the Body of Christ in New Jerusalem.

The Roman Catholic Church has long been hijacked by the Enemy. The religions of men are polluted, they have all become infiltrated by the Enemy. None are right. Only the Gospel Message of Christ is right, and even the Vulgate of Jerome commissioned by the Catholic Church is corrupt. Discernment of Truth comes from God alone, as Jesus Himself said SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM.

Catholicism is a den of vipers, with the righteous Message of Christ having been raped by wolves and thieves. Catholics themselves, however, are not, as there are many within my childhood faith that truly belong to Christ and when the time comes, the Holy Spirit which dwells in them will testify to Truth, for God's Spirit recognizes His own voice.

You assume I am Protestant and you do err, Brother. I am a born-again Believer in Christ, a slave to His Kingdom until my last breath exhales in this dimension. I know His voice, and following it through the times which are upon us, will most likely cost me everything. In the handful of years we have left, I will be speaking Truth against messages like yours.

Truly the time for us to unite is upon us, however those who do so under the guise of the Vatican will be horribly and wretchedly deceived.

It is time to humble your heart my Brother, and come out of Babylon.

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet
reply to post by colbe

 

You are disturbingly deceived and only serving to be a stumbling block to others.

The only thing God wants is to redeem His creation, most importantly, His children whom will make up His eternal resting place as the Body of Christ in New Jerusalem.

The Roman Catholic Church has long been hijacked by the Enemy. The religions of men are polluted, they have all become infiltrated by the Enemy. None are right. Only the Gospel Message of Christ is right, and even the Vulgate of Jerome commissioned by the Catholic Church is corrupt. Discernment of Truth comes from God alone, as Jesus Himself said SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM.

Catholicism is a den of vipers, with the righteous Message of Christ having been raped by wolves and thieves. Catholics themselves, however, are not, as there are many within my childhood faith that truly belong to Christ and when the time comes, the Holy Spirit which dwells in them will testify to Truth, for God's Spirit recognizes His own voice.

You assume I am Protestant and you do err, Brother. I am a born-again Believer in Christ, a slave to His Kingdom until my last breath exhales in this dimension. I know His voice, and following it through the times which are upon us, will most likely cost me everything. In the handful of years we have left, I will be speaking Truth against messages like yours.

Truly the time for us to unite is upon us, however those who do so under the guise of the Vatican will be horribly and wretchedly deceived.

It is time to humble your heart my Brother, and come out of Babylon.

It is not true what you say. And if Protestant offends you, I'll type non-Catholic Christian. Our brothers and sisters love the written Word, wait until they realize there is so much more, they will be filled with joy. May I ask you...

How come the non-Catholic Christian prophets are hearing about the Eucharist in their messages now? An example, Amanda Leonard is a non-Catholic Christian Prophet. openheaven.com... archives...

April 25, 2013

...“This bread is everlasting. I see it cut in slices and there’s an endless supply to feed the nations. People are throwing this bread to the nations, to the nations, to the nations. I see people eating and drinking OF Him, feasting ON Him, abiding with Him, communing with Him at the marriage supper of the Lamb. As they CONSUME HIM, His children will take on the very nature of Jesus. This bread will not mold, this bread will not rot, it will not be like the manna in the wilderness, FOR THIS BREAD IS Him (JESUS) ALONE. I see people feasting at His table and there is an endless supply.”...

Why don't the non-Catholic Christian messages from Heaven for time I've read them, these last fifteen years have ever said the Remnant is non-Catholic Christianity? God would reveal it, He doesn't do anything without telling His creation.

What of Our Lord's promise in Matthew 16:18 that the gates of hell will not overcome His Church. Jesus was speaking to Peter, the first leader of Catholicism and that is historical, doesn't even require faith. Satan knows who the true faith is of course he is going to attack it but Our Lord's promise.

If the faith is "polluted" as you say, when did it happen? How come you accept her book, the Bible? How could an errant Church compile the inerrant written Word of God?

Satan is going to take his last shot before the new time, as you share, before the New Jerusalem. There will be things never approved of in the faith in the last 2000 years that will be accepted! Do not believe them. Christ presence in the Eucharist can never be changed. Watch and see what happens...


God bless you WashMoreFeet,


colbe

reply to post by colbe


I will explain more, there are parts of my post you misunderstood. I understand where you are coming from Brother, I was once there. I am no mystic. I believe in the in-errancy of God's Word. It is His Word which will be the very first thing attacked. This long-planned stratagem by the Enemy is already coming together as we speak.

We fight for the same kingdom, Brother. Deception is a subtle beast and I freely admit that my ignorance far exceeds my understanding. However, I can say with certainty that we are not to put our faith in the words of men, only God and His Word. All others we are to test in Spirit and hold accountable to Christ. Prophets are to subject to other prophets, the Spirit that works in God's true prophets can easily recognize the words of an imposter.

Let me ruminate on this more and seek guidance in prayer. I am mindful to work for His kingdom and never against it. I see that you truly have a heart for Christ, therefore I am compelled to treat it as the priceless treasure He regards it to be. Therefore, whatever words I share with you, should reflect that standard. Unlike my previous post which are my own uninspired words, and that, also written in haste. For that I ask your forgiveness. Not to say that what I said is untrue, but something that I now see I should not be presumptuous about with diverse company.

Know that in seeking Him, we are at the mercy of His timing and His purposes. But also know that I will make a genuine effort on the matter, for the Body of Christ works together to serve Him by serving each other.

Marana tha

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet
reply to post by colbe

 

I will explain more, there are parts of my post you misunderstood. I understand where you are coming from Brother, I was once there. I am no mystic. I believe in the in-errancy of God's Word. It is His Word which will be the very first thing attacked. This long-planned stratagem by the Enemy is already coming together as we speak.

We fight for the same kingdom, Brother. Deception is a subtle beast and I freely admit that my ignorance far exceeds my understanding. However, I can say with certainty that we are not to put our faith in the words of men, only God and His Word. All others we are to test in Spirit and hold accountable to Christ. Prophets are to subject to other prophets, the Spirit that works in God's true prophets can easily recognize the words of an imposter.

Let me ruminate on this more and seek guidance in prayer. I am mindful to work for His kingdom and never against it. I see that you truly have a heart for Christ, therefore I am compelled to treat it as the priceless treasure He regards it to be. Therefore, whatever words I share with you, should reflect that standard. Unlike my previous post which are my own uninspired words, and that, also written in haste. For that I ask your forgiveness. Not to say that what I said is untrue, but something that I now see I should not be presumptuous about with diverse company.

Know that in seeking Him, we are at the mercy of His timing and His purposes. But also know that I will make a genuine effort on the matter, for the Body of Christ works together to serve Him by serving each other.

Marana tha

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WashMoreFeet,

I don't know what to say, I am at a loss for words. Thank you. If I didn't have almost 15 years of prophecy
in my head, I would be a little kinder, more general in my posting. I am always thinking Heaven's "soon" is
a few weeks away.

It certainly is closer.

The underlined, not to argue, discern yes, what we hear from men. BUT, it has always been a cooperation
between God and man otherwise we would know nothing of God. His Word is Oral, Written, ongoing via
the magisterial teachings of the faith and there is prophecy.

The Apostles never taught Sola Scriptura, all their teachings were oral and Scripture states it, not everything
is written down. All the disagreement, for sure, it is going to take God to show us all in a grand way.


God bless you WMF,


colbe

reply to post by colbe


My Brother,

God is rarely early, but He is never late......despite how long it seems we wait.

I was given counsel this morning on a few things I have been working out over the last few months. And to my surprise, what was communicated also included something I am to share with you in regard to our exchange.

I am mindful of my own thoughts and notions in contrast to those imparted by grace through the Spirit. I much rather to say nothing at all, than speak in doubt and be a stumbling block.

Having said that, some of what I have to share may be a burden to your spirit, so I will send it to you privately. You are more than welcome to share it if you choose to do so, but I will leave that up to you.

Give me a little more time to put it together. When I receive counsel I usually just grab whatever is within reach, ie: a crayon and an old receipt, a pen and a napkin, a pencil and piece of cardboard, a marker and some toilet paper, whatever will make a mark and whatever I can conceivably mark on. So I typically have to transcribe what I wrote (which is usually given in the form of emotion and conceptual understanding, not actual word for word) into something better articulated for reading. I also have to figure out the words that will best express my understanding to someone else.
Kinda like Ezekiel describing a wheel covered in eyeballs, sometimes things are just hard to convey. The language of God's Kingdom is not really spoken. It is a knowing and understanding, so it is an endeavor for nothing to get lost in translation, so to speak.

I will be in touch soon by private message.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Thread dead?

He's baaaaaaaaaack

Good grief. :-/

Men are not at war with each other, but that which they cannot see.
And the perception of their altogether transparent Enemy is entirely dependent upon their relationship with God.
For spiritual eyes to see Truth, they must be led by Truth. All else is perverted by deception.

What is Truth?
Truth is something that is known and understood, not taught.
Truth is ultimate and absolute, not relative

Salvation is by grace.
Our testimony to this salvation is through the manifestation of good works.
Good works not accomplished by our own will and intent, but by the grace of Christ in us and working through us.

The Holy Spirit testifies and bears witness to our salvation by giving us the desire and creating the circumstances to carry out our good works.
Without Love, the Divine Love that is only imparted by grace, any and all work is worthless because it is based on selfish gain.

(Eph 2 & 6) (John 14 & 18)


The rest I have sent to you by private message.

God bless you Brother, and may you work for His Kingdom and not against it.

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet
Men are not at war with each other, but that which they cannot see.
And the perception of their altogether transparent Enemy is entirely dependent upon their relationship with God.
For spiritual eyes to see Truth, they must be led by Truth. All else is perverted by deception.

What is Truth?
Truth is something that is known and understood, not taught.
Truth is ultimate and absolute, not relative

Salvation is by grace.
Our testimony to this salvation is through the manifestation of good works.
Good works not accomplished by our own will and intent, but by the grace of Christ in us and working through us.

The Holy Spirit testifies and bears witness to our salvation by giving us the desire and creating the circumstances to carry out our good works.
Without Love, the Divine Love that is only imparted by grace, any and all work is worthless because it is based on selfish gain.

(Eph 2 & 6) (John 14 & 18)


The rest I have sent to you by private message.

God bless you Brother, and may you work for His Kingdom and not against it.

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Concerning "Truth", there is only one Truth, Jesus revealed it. His Truth is black and white. The denials, the
heresies, man's fallen nature have brought about spiritual division. Not for long, in our life time, sooner,
God is going to bring divided Christianity together. And invite the non-Christians to the faith.