Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

Your bizarre logic is mind boggling. It truly is a testament to your absolute inability to critically think.

Do you have an answer for where the "j" sound came from if it is not in the Greek or Hebrew? Or are you just going to respond with insults.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Are you flirting with me?

It would not surprise me since he does claim to be catholic.

What is that supposed to mean? What "fruits of the spirit" does a remark like that reveal?

Catholics are not exactly examples of holiness.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew

 

I'm not talking about English. English is Latinized.

As I said, if what you say is true about Iesous not being pronounced Jesous, then the English with a "j" is a perversion.

Do you really think that the Church, even the Catholic Church, would have went along with perverting the name of Christ?

It wouldn't be saying that at all. Every language has distinctive phonetics.

Yes, it would.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

Your bizarre logic is mind boggling. It truly is a testament to your absolute inability to critically think.

Do you have an answer for where the "j" sound came from if it is not in the Greek or Hebrew?

Do you think that every language is a derivative of Greek and Hebrew?

I am not a linguist, and the history of language is not one of my interests, but as I recall, the letter "j" came from High German in the Middle Ages.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Are you flirting with me?

It would not surprise me since he does claim to be catholic.

What is that supposed to mean? What "fruits of the spirit" does a remark like that reveal?

Catholics are not exactly examples of holiness.

Nice of you to judge my holiness based on other people -- that's called bigotry.

I still don't know what your comment was supposed to mean, or what "fruit of the spirit" you are demonstrating by being a bigot.

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It certainly would not, would you like for me to show you how they pronounce Christ's Name in various different languages around the world today?

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

Do you think that every language is a derivative of Greek and Hebrew?

No, however, every form of the name of Jesus is connected back to the Hebrew since it was originally a Hebrew name.

Originally posted by adjensen

I am not a linguist, and the history of language is not one of my interests, but as I recall, the letter "j" came from High German in the Middle Ages.

That is not what I am asking. I asked where did the "j" sound from the English Jesus come from if not from the Hebrew and Greek?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

Do you think that every language is a derivative of Greek and Hebrew?

No, however, every form of the name of Jesus is connected back to the Hebrew since it was originally a Hebrew name.

But they are not phonetically connected. "Iesous" is not pronounced with a "J" sound, nor is Jesus' name in Latin, German, Spanish and most other languages.

That is not what I am asking. I asked where did the "j" sound from the English Jesus come from if not from the Hebrew and Greek?

Once again you are beginning with a conclusion and then claiming that your conclusion is proof of something else.

Where did the "J" come from? I don't know, apart from the fairly obvious chain of Latin -> German -> English, with the English version the only one that pronounces it "juh", rather than "yay". I read something the other night about Old English using the "J" to indicate the sound a "Y" makes, and it was only later that it developed into a "juh" sound but, again, I'm not a scholar of language history, so I don't know if that's accurate.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Are you flirting with me?

It would not surprise me since he does claim to be catholic.

What is that supposed to mean? What "fruits of the spirit" does a remark like that reveal?

Catholics are not exactly examples of holiness.

Nice of you to judge my holiness based on other people -- that's called bigotry.

I still don't know what your comment was supposed to mean, or what "fruit of the spirit" you are demonstrating by being a bigot.

There is no bigotry involved from my side. You reject baptism of the Holy Spirit, which without you cannot be holy. You call us a "cult" because we believe in living holy. Your responses to my posts have not shown holiness.

Originally posted by truejew
There is no bigotry involved from my side.

Of course you're a bigot -- you displayed it when you implied that I was "flirting with NOTurTypical" because I'm Catholic.

You call us a "cult" because we believe in living holy.

I call your bunch a cult because you are a cult -- you have all the hallmarks of one, and you testify to it with almost every post that you make here. Condemning someone for wearing a wristwatch or for owning a television, or telling a woman she cannot cut her hair, or calling anyone who disagrees with the leader an "idiot" or a "liar" is not "holy behaviour", it is the controlling actions of a cult.

Your responses to my posts have not shown holiness.

My responses to your posts are an effort to open your eyes to the irrational theology you've been coerced into thinking is true, and which you think trumps the actual truth. Barring that, they serve to warn others away from it by clearly pointing out how irrational your claims are.

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We are not a cult as you claim. Our holiness standards are not to control people, but are to teach proper inward holiness. Wearing of wristwatches/jewelry is not holy due to pride and other effects that they have on a person's spirit. The cutting of a woman's hair to look like a homosexual is also not the action of someone with inward holiness. Again, we do not force people to live by the standards as you claim.

If you want to see an example of real cult actions, you should check out the story of Sister Charlotte and the Catholic Church.

The Sister Charlotte Keckler Story

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by adjensen

 

We are not a cult as you claim. Our holiness standards are not to control people, but are to teach proper inward holiness. Wearing of wristwatches/jewelry is not holy due to pride and other effects that they have on a person's spirit. The cutting of a woman's hair to look like a homosexual is also not the action of someone with inward holiness.

A woman with short hair is trying to look like a homosexual? Are you serious?

And who says that a $10 Timex impresses anyone?

Again, we do not force people to live by the standards as you claim.

Will a woman who was baptized in the name of "gee-zus" and spoke in tongues, but who cuts her hair "to look like a homosexual", be saved?

If you want to see an example of real cult actions, you should check out the story of Sister Charlotte and the Catholic Church.

The Sister Charlotte Keckler Story

Sister Charlotte?

I did some research on that for another thread, and "Sister Charlotte" is just a refashioned story about a "nun" named Maria Monk, a fraud and con artist from the 19th Century. Reckart and his father should be embarrassed to have been taken in by that nonsense, but, again... no critical thinking on his part results in his being duped by others.

What next? Going to trot out Alberto Rivera?

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Sister Charlotte is not the same person as your Maria Monk.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

What do you mean by a "link"?

What I meant was some specific web link to a post on ATS or blog, that would explain in a systematic or at least progressive sort of way, your views on deity.

I went to one of the webpages you have in your signature block, bibletruthsyoudidnotsee and clicked around in that site. I was stunned by the tightly knit system. After thinking a bit, I wrote this thread: The Psychology of Evangelism: Different World-views.

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by adjensen

 

Sister Charlotte is not the same person as your Maria Monk.

No, but she obviously got her story from that source.

She was a scammer, TrueJew -- nothing about her story adds up.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Are you flirting with me?

It would not surprise me since he does claim to be catholic.

What is that supposed to mean? What "fruits of the spirit" does a remark like that reveal?

Catholics are not exactly examples of holiness.

Nice of you to judge my holiness based on other people -- that's called bigotry.

I still don't know what your comment was supposed to mean, or what "fruit of the spirit" you are demonstrating by being a bigot.

There is no bigotry involved from my side. You reject baptism of the Holy Spirit, which without you cannot be holy. You call us a "cult" because we believe in living holy. Your responses to my posts have not shown holiness.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Are you flirting with me?

It would not surprise me since he does claim to be catholic.

What is that supposed to mean? What "fruits of the spirit" does a remark like that reveal?

Catholics are not exactly examples of holiness.

Nice of you to judge my holiness based on other people -- that's called bigotry.

I still don't know what your comment was supposed to mean, or what "fruit of the spirit" you are demonstrating by being a bigot.

There is no bigotry involved from my side. You reject baptism of the Holy Spirit, which without you cannot be holy. You call us a "cult" because we believe in living holy. Your responses to my posts have not shown holiness.

TJ,

Adjensen is loving, He doesn't give up on you. He is trying to help you see. Other folks here too. Do not
take it so personal and remain at one spot. You can read the quotes of the men taught by the Apostles and
compare them with your beliefs. People, not Catholics, privately judge Scripture so you can make it say anything you wish, and taking verses out of context.

Protestant ministers convert to the faith, reading the quotes of the Early Church Fathers. When God shows
us all during the "awakening" remember, the discussion here. I bet you'll think or say, "dear Father, adjensen loved me, all those days, to keep explaining the faith to me at ATS."

Originally posted by colbe

Adjensen is loving, He doesn't give up on you.

Saying false things about another person does not show love. Supporting the Rick Ross and Yahwehist cults does not show love. Supporting a religion that is guilty of so much death does not show love. Name calling does not show love.

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by adjensen

 

Will a woman who was baptized in the name of "gee-zus" and spoke in tongues, but who cuts her hair "to look like a homosexual", be saved?

She would need to repent. The spirit of homosexuality is not holy.

Although Catholics don't have very many standards, I'm sure you do have some. In your view, is a priest who messes around with children, saved? Do you consider such actions to be evidence of holiness? Are you in a cult for teaching that standard?

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by adjensen

 

Will a woman who was baptized in the name of "gee-zus" and spoke in tongues, but who cuts her hair "to look like a homosexual", be saved?

She would need to repent. The spirit of homosexuality is not holy.

I never said she was a homosexual, I said she'd cut her hair, which you equate to "wanting to look like a homosexual," though that's obviously an irrational conclusion.

Let's assume that she's not a homosexual, she just likes her hair short -- can she be saved?

Although Catholics don't have very many standards, I'm sure you do have some.

Yes, we do, though they tend not to be as superficial as wearing wristwatches or not allowing women to wear pants.

In your view, is a priest who messes around with children, saved? Do you consider such actions to be evidence of holiness?

Show me where in the Catechism the church teaches that child molestation is an acceptable behaviour. Barring that, your questions are straw men arguments and of no relevance.

Unlike most Protestants, Catholics believe that there can be Christians in hell. An unrepentant sinner who dies in that state will be condemned, barring God's mercy, regardless of how "good" they were, apart from that state of sin.

However, unlike your cult, which condemns to hell anyone who doesn't subscribe to Reckart's theology, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that no one knows who is, or will be, condemned, because that is God's decision, not ours.

Are you in a cult for teaching that standard?

What standard?