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The Scriptures that you claim implies a trinity can be explained in other ways, ways that do not require a doctrine that comes from pagan sources.

Funny how scripture that you disagree with, like Jesus' baptism, can be explained in other ways, and scripture that you agree with, like "baptizing in the name of Jesus", can only be read one way.

That's a pretty sure sign of cherry picking.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by adjensen

 

Let's not forget Reckhart sells doctorate degrees for $1,300 on his website.

You wanna read a real hoot? Get this, from his website:

Below is a partial list of those who hate Pastor Reckart:

.. ridiculously long list of "haters" snipped ..

Those who have television in their homes;
(Source)

Just think of it, NuT, there are literally billions of people across the globe who don't know Reckart from a hole in the ground, but who will have to face God and explain their hatred of the good pastor, because they lived in a house that had a television.

In all my years of research, I've never come across someone quite like Gary Reckart. He's a veritable poster child for hypocrisy, arrogance, ignorance and anti-Christian behaviour.

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Huh? How is a television hatred for Reckhart?

That's..

Just..

ODD.

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

The Scriptures that you claim implies a trinity can be explained in other ways, ways that do not require a doctrine that comes from pagan sources.

Funny how scripture that you disagree with, like Jesus' baptism, can be explained in other ways, and scripture that you agree with, like "baptizing in the name of Jesus", can only be read one way.

That's a pretty sure sign of cherry picking.

The difference being there is no Scripture that says God is a trinity, while baptism in Jesus name is taught in several places.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

The Scriptures that you claim implies a trinity can be explained in other ways, ways that do not require a doctrine that comes from pagan sources.

Funny how scripture that you disagree with, like Jesus' baptism, can be explained in other ways, and scripture that you agree with, like "baptizing in the name of Jesus", can only be read one way.

That's a pretty sure sign of cherry picking.

The difference being there is no Scripture that says God is a trinity, while baptism in Jesus name is taught in several places.

"Us" is plural, your "oneness" heresy is not truejew.

St. John and Jesus Himself speak of the Trinity, you stubbornly reject these verses, picking and choosing, ignoring verses and interpreting Scripture with no authority (private judgment). The heresy of private judgment, its fruit, error and division.

"And he said: Let US make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26 "And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." - 1 John 5:7 "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." - Matthew 28:19

"And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." - Matthew 28:19

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prayers for your conversion TJ,


colbe

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

The Scriptures that you claim implies a trinity can be explained in other ways, ways that do not require a doctrine that comes from pagan sources.

Funny how scripture that you disagree with, like Jesus' baptism, can be explained in other ways, and scripture that you agree with, like "baptizing in the name of Jesus", can only be read one way.

That's a pretty sure sign of cherry picking.

The difference being there is no Scripture that says God is a trinity, while baptism in Jesus name is taught in several places.

reply to post by truejew


Sorry, I typed the wrong reference, "US" is written Genesis 1:26

"And he said: Let US make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26 "And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." - 1 John 5:7 "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

The Scriptures that you claim implies a trinity can be explained in other ways, ways that do not require a doctrine that comes from pagan sources.

Funny how scripture that you disagree with, like Jesus' baptism, can be explained in other ways, and scripture that you agree with, like "baptizing in the name of Jesus", can only be read one way.

That's a pretty sure sign of cherry picking.

The difference being there is no Scripture that says God is a trinity, while baptism in Jesus name is taught in several places.

"Us" is plural, your "oneness" heresy is not truejew.

St. John and Jesus Himself speak of the Trinity, you stubbornly reject these verses, picking and choosing, ignoring verses and interpreting Scripture with no authority (private judgment). The heresy of private judgment, its fruit, error and division.

"And he said: Let US make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26 "And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." - 1 John 5:7 "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." - Genesis 1:26

"And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." - Matthew 28:19

www.drbo.org...


prayers for your conversion TJ,



colbe

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I have typed on Genesis 1:26 before. The "us" is God and the angels.

1 John 5:7 and Matthew 28:19 are both questionable verses. Even if allowed, neither one says "God is three persons", which would contradict the Bible's teaching of one God.

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by colbe

 

I have typed on Genesis 1:26 before. The "us" is God and the angels.

1 John 5:7 and Matthew 28:19 are both questionable verses. Even if allowed, neither one says "God is three persons", which would contradict the Bible's teaching of one God.

Genesis 1:26 says:
"And he said: Let US make man to our image and likeness:"....

Where do you get the "angels" are creators with God? They're not, God created the "angels."

"Questionable", you're saying the Gospel is errant? Which verses are right and which ones are wrong?

Why quote Scripture and ignore how we have the Bible? The Church with her God given authority compiled the Canon AND further explained those verses about the Trinity. It is difficult to understand the Holy Trinity, we are limited with human understanding.

true jew, you do not completely understand the mystery of the Incarnation but accept it. Why do you not do the same in regards to the mystery of the Blessed Trinity?

Originally posted by colbe
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Where do you get the "angels" are creators with God? They're not, God created the "angels."

I did not say that the angels created since in verse 27 it was only a He who created. Only that He spoke to the angels. If the "us" referred to a trinity, the "he" in verse 27 would have been a they.

Originally posted by colbe

"Questionable", you're saying the Gospel is errant?

The KJV is not perfect.

Originally posted by colbe

true jew, you do not completely understand the mystery of the Incarnation but accept it. Why do you not do the same in regards to the mystery of the Blessed Trinity?

I do not follow the mystery doctrines of Babylon.

Originally posted by truejew
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I have typed on Genesis 1:26 before. The "us" is God and the angels.

Yes, and you have ignored pointed questions about it before. Maybe you'll answer this time:

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over. (Genesis 1:26 NIV)

"Us", in that sentence clearly refers to the creator, who will make mankind in the creator's image. If "Us" is God and angels, then angels are creators and mankind is created in the image of angels. Is that what you believe?

1 John 5:7 and Matthew 28:19 are both questionable verses. Even if allowed, neither one says "God is three persons", which would contradict the Bible's teaching of one God.

You have been told repeatedly that the Doctrine of the Trinity teaches one God. After all this time, you must understand that, even if you don't agree with it, so what "fruit of the spirit" do you exhibit by lying about what it says?

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Your question on Genesis 1:26 is answered in my previous post.

I hesitate to get back into this thread and interrupt, even if it's for a short question.

Truejew, what is your goal here? What are you trying to do? Ok, if it's to argue for argument's sake (sometimes called trolling), I can understand that.

But, are you trying to teach? If so, fairly cryptic and brief statements aren't doing the job. Why not say, "I belong to such and such a group and here are it's teachings?" Then explain clearly what it's positions are on several major points.

If you're trying to persuade, just saying "You're wrong" doesn't do much. Can you say why, in each of the major points why your position is more logical than another's?

I just don't understand what you're trying to do. Would you mind explaining?

Originally posted by truejew
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Your question on Genesis 1:26 is answered in my previous post.

Well, you answered it incorrectly because you can't say "Let US make mankind in OUR image" really means "Let ME make mankind in MY image, and you guys stand around and watch."

Semantically, Genesis 1:26 specifically states that there is more than one creator. Not one creator + one or more observers. The follow on that you point to with its singleton is not relevant, because we are talking about 1:26, specifically.

Originally posted by adjensen
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Well, you answered it incorrectly because you can't say "Let US make mankind in OUR image" really means "Let ME make mankind in MY image, and you guys stand around and watch."

It has been the Jewish answer to your question for thousands of years.

If a teacher writes a question on the board and tells the class "let's try this answer" does the whole class write the answer on the board or was it only the teacher doing the writing.

Originally posted by adjensen

Semantically, Genesis 1:26 specifically states that there is more than one creator. Not one creator + one or more observers.

Your polytheism is showing.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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Well, you answered it incorrectly because you can't say "Let US make mankind in OUR image" really means "Let ME make mankind in MY image, and you guys stand around and watch."

It has been the Jewish answer to your question for thousands of years.

If a teacher writes a question on the board and tells the class "let's try this answer" does the whole class write the answer on the board or was it only the teacher doing the writing.

Again, your answer is not valid. If the passage said "Let us make mankind in my image", then your example might be appropriate, but that isn't what it says. Your problem isn't the first plural, but the second, unless you think that mankind was made in the image of angels.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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Well, you answered it incorrectly because you can't say "Let US make mankind in OUR image" really means "Let ME make mankind in MY image, and you guys stand around and watch."

It has been the Jewish answer to your question for thousands of years.

If a teacher writes a question on the board and tells the class "let's try this answer" does the whole class write the answer on the board or was it only the teacher doing the writing.

Again, your answer is not valid. If the passage said "Let us make mankind in my image", then your example might be appropriate, but that isn't what it says. Your problem isn't the first plural, but the second, unless you think that mankind was made in the image of angels.

According to the Scripture, angels were also created in the image of God. Again, those who wrote the verse were non-trinitarian, monotheists. They do not see a trinity there.

Originally posted by truejew
According to the Scripture, angels were also created in the image of God.

That appears to be missing from my Bible. Chapter and verse?

Again, those who wrote the verse were non-trinitarian, monotheists. They do not see a trinity there.

So you think some guy just sat down with some scrolls and scribbled down what was on the top of his head? God had nothing to do with the writing of scripture? If the Bible is either the word of God, or God inspired, then a Trinitarian, the Triune God, had a hand in it.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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Well, you answered it incorrectly because you can't say "Let US make mankind in OUR image" really means "Let ME make mankind in MY image, and you guys stand around and watch."

It has been the Jewish answer to your question for thousands of years.

If a teacher writes a question on the board and tells the class "let's try this answer" does the whole class write the answer on the board or was it only the teacher doing the writing.

Again, your answer is not valid. If the passage said "Let us make mankind in my image", then your example might be appropriate, but that isn't what it says. Your problem isn't the first plural, but the second, unless you think that mankind was made in the image of angels.

According to the Scripture, angels were also created in the image of God. Again, those who wrote the verse were non-trinitarian, monotheists. They do not see a trinity there.

No they were not. That's absurd.