Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by truejew
Can God lie?

No, but he has had no shortage of people stuffing words in his mouth and saying it came from him, and you can find that all through the OT.

Then according to Adjensen, you believe that God is not all powerful.

The Bible itself says that God cannot lie, and also states that he is omnipotent.

So, do you think that the Bible contradicts itself? Or that lying/not lying has nothing to do with omnipotence?

Or have you become so accustomed to lying that you don't even know the difference any more?

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
God does not lie. He said we must be born of the water and the Spirit. Following God's word is not witchcraft and God keeping His words is not being cruel.

Then you will be condemned, because you are intentionally not doing what you claim God says that you have to do. God's name is not "gee-zus", so you've never been baptized in your "Gary Reckart approved" ritual.

Me, I'll rely on God's love and mercy, not on the works and words of a documented liar.

Your teachings that Jesus is not God and that salvation by grace through faith is cruel is not Biblical.

You know full well that is not what I teach, so, once again, you are lying.

Has following a documented liar and plagiarist for so long jaded you into believing that lying is a "fruit of the spirit"?

You said that Jesus isn't God's real name. That is the same as saying Jesus is not God.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by truejew
Can God lie?

No, but he has had no shortage of people stuffing words in his mouth and saying it came from him, and you can find that all through the OT.

Then according to Adjensen, you believe that God is not all powerful.

The Bible itself says that God cannot lie, and also states that he is omnipotent.

So, do you think that the Bible contradicts itself? Or that lying/not lying has nothing to do with omnipotence?

Or have you become so accustomed to lying that you don't even know the difference any more?

The Bible does not contradict itself, but you contradict the Bible. You said that if there is something that God cannot do, He is not all powerful.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by truejew
Can God lie?

No, but he has had no shortage of people stuffing words in his mouth and saying it came from him, and you can find that all through the OT.

Then according to Adjensen, you believe that God is not all powerful.

The Bible itself says that God cannot lie, and also states that he is omnipotent.

So, do you think that the Bible contradicts itself? Or that lying/not lying has nothing to do with omnipotence?

Or have you become so accustomed to lying that you don't even know the difference any more?

The Bible does not contradict itself, but you contradict the Bible. You said that if there is something that God cannot do, He is not all powerful.

What I said was that if God cannot do something because of human action or inaction, then he is not omnipotent, because it is the human that controls God.

God cannot do things that are contrary to who God is -- he is eternal and cannot no longer exist, for example, but that has nothing to do with omnipotence.

Originally posted by truejew
You said that Jesus isn't God's real name. That is the same as saying Jesus is not God.

I said that "gee-zus" is not God's real name, because it is not. The people 2,000 years ago did not speak English, the claim that "Yeshua" is pronounced "gee-zus" is stupid and obviously wrong, and the claim that Jesus' Hebrew name was not "Yeshua" has absolutely no evidence for it.

Gary Reckart demands that God's name is "gee-zus", but God is not beholding to Gary Reckart, and his demand, based on arrogance, elitism and hatred of the UPC, is irrational and sinful.

Jesus was Joshua's real name. It is a Hebrew name.

Originally posted by adjensen

and the claim that Jesus' Hebrew name was not "Yeshua" has absolutely no evidence for it.

Yes there is. "Yeshua" does not mean God saves.

Originally posted by truejew
Jesus was Joshua's real name. It is a Hebrew name.

Not according to the people who wrote the Hebrew Bible it isn't.

Oh, that's right, the people who wrote the Hebrew Bible were evil magicians who didn't speak Hebrew. Forgot about that.

and the claim that Jesus' Hebrew name was not "Yeshua" has absolutely no evidence for it.

Yes there is. "Yeshua" does not mean God saves.

If "gee-zus" is God's name, how can "gee-zus" mean "God saves"? If Jesus means "Jesus saves", where does the "saves" bit come from?

Originally posted by adjensen
Not according to the people who wrote the Hebrew Bible it isn't.

There are no copies of the Bible in Paleo-Hebrew, only Aramaic and Greek. In the Greek Septuagint, Joshua was Iesous, the Greek for the Hebrew name Jesus.

Originally posted by adjensen

If "gee-zus" is God's name, how can "gee-zus" mean "God saves"? If Jesus means "Jesus saves", where does the "saves" bit come from?

I have explained this before. "Saves" comes from the word "hoshea". Jeh-hoshea or Jehoshea is shortened to Jeshas.

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Every Hebrew scholar that I can find says that "Yehoshua/Yeshua" means "God saves", not that "Hoshea" means "God saves", they seem to think that "Hoshea" means "salvation", without the "God" bit. If you have a real Hebrew scholar who says otherwise, you are welcome to present their case (and no, plagiarist Gary Reckart is not a real Hebrew scholar.)

As those conclusions are in agreement with scripture, we know that Jesus' Hebrew name is "Yeshua", which is not pronounced "gee-zus".

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

Every Hebrew scholar that I can find says that "Yehoshua/Yeshua" means "God saves", not that "Hoshea" means "God saves", they seem to think that "Hoshea" means "salvation", without the "God" bit. If you have a real Hebrew scholar who says otherwise, you are welcome to present their case (and no, plagiarist Gary Reckart is not a real Hebrew scholar.)

As those conclusions are in agreement with scripture, we know that Jesus' Hebrew name is "Yeshua", which is not pronounced "gee-zus".

"Shua" means "call out", while "hoshea" means "salvation". Look it up for yourself. The "Jeh", shortened from "EhJeh", added to "hoshea", makes it "God saves". You can also see this in the name "Moses", which means "saved by water".

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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Every Hebrew scholar that I can find says that "Yehoshua/Yeshua" means "God saves", not that "Hoshea" means "God saves", they seem to think that "Hoshea" means "salvation", without the "God" bit. If you have a real Hebrew scholar who says otherwise, you are welcome to present their case (and no, plagiarist Gary Reckart is not a real Hebrew scholar.)

As those conclusions are in agreement with scripture, we know that Jesus' Hebrew name is "Yeshua", which is not pronounced "gee-zus".

"Shua" means "call out", while "hoshea" means "salvation". Look it up for yourself. The "Jeh", shortened from "EhJeh", added to "hoshea", makes it "God saves". You can also see this in the name "Moses", which means "saved by water".

You are not a Hebrew scholar, and the magic letters and syllables that you fear, like "Yeh" and "iah", are no reason for you to change scripture, history and a peoples' language.

Face facts, you are following a liar who teaches a dumb theology of salvation by works that is motivated by his hatred of the UPC. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll wake up to the fact that you're blindly defending someone who is NOT a "man of God", as he claims to be.

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

You are not a Hebrew scholar,

Being a "scholar" is not necessary to see this truth.

Originally posted by adjensen

and the magic letters and syllables that you fear, like "Yeh" and "iah", are no reason for you to change scripture, history and a peoples' language.

I do not fear anything. "Jeh" is God. "Jah" is the Egyptian moon god. Again, I am not changing scripture. The name "Yeshua" is not in there.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
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You are not a Hebrew scholar,

Being a "scholar" is not necessary to see this truth.

Well, apparently it is necessary, because you have demonstrated that a lack of knowledge results in faulty interpretation and erroneous conclusions. Unlike an academic, who starts with the facts, and then studies them in order to come to a conclusion, you start with a made up conclusion and work your way back, ignoring facts that disagree with you, and inventing new "facts" along the way that support you.

You'll never convince anyone, who is not a gullible fool, that you're right because the only thing that makes you "right" is your own opinion that you're right.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by truejew

 

You are not a Hebrew scholar,

Being a "scholar" is not necessary to see this truth.

Well, apparently it is necessary, because you have demonstrated that a lack of knowledge results in faulty interpretation and erroneous conclusions. Unlike an academic, who starts with the facts, and then studies them in order to come to a conclusion, you start with a made up conclusion and work your way back, ignoring facts that disagree with you, and inventing new "facts" along the way that support you.

You'll never convince anyone, who is not a gullible fool, that you're right because the only thing that makes you "right" is your own opinion that you're right.

The Church has been preaching that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh for almost 2000 years. The name "Jesus Christ" is the name given in scripture. No antichrist scholar is going to change that.

Originally posted by truejew
The name "Jesus Christ" is the name given in scripture. No antichrist scholar is going to change that.

The Bible wasn't written in English. No antichrist plagiarist is going to change that.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by HomerinNC
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My point was that the tetragrammaton is used in witchcraft.

Incorrect! The tetragrammaton is used in Jewish Mysticism, such as the Quablah

The term tetragrammaton (from Greek τετραγράμματον, meaning "four letters")refers to the Hebrew theonym (Hebrew: יהוה‎) transliterated to the Latin letters YHWH. It may be derived from the verb that means "to be", and is considered in Judaism to be the proper name of the God of Israel used in the Hebrew Bible.

en.wikipedia.org...

Jewish mysticism is witchcraft. Plus, the tetragrammaton is used in other forms of witchcraft.

Show me it's used in witchcraft, I showed you how it's used in mysticism, show me how it's used in witchcraft.
Until you do, you're either lying, incorrect, or trying to push an agenda

ETA: this is off topic anyhow, carry your debate in another thread

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Lol. This thread is now 125 pages.

It's gonna be off-topic at this point.

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Then according to Adjensen, you believe that God is not all powerful. Adjensen's ideas are silly, aren't they?

I never said God wasn't all powerful. What I said was he had no shortage of people stuffing words into his mouth and claiming it came from him.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by HomerinNC

 

Lol. This thread is now 125 pages.

It's gonna be off-topic at this point.

How many of those pages were continuous circle jerking?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Lol. This thread is now 125 pages.

It's gonna be off-topic at this point.

How many of those pages were continuous circle jerking?

At least half.

Probably more.