USA will LOSE the war with NKorea, this thread will enter history

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Spartanian

 

I'm glad I may have helped a little with showing a different perspective, at least. I know our press image and overall public face in the world is ...mixed...at best. Downright horrible in many cases.

I'd only want to add that among a few different reasons, we share a big one for why ATS is the place to spend some real time at. Just as you seek to learn more about America in this case? I can't get enough of the direct, first personal perspectives and background from people living in other nations. That international aspect of this site makes it invaluable for learning. It needs a disclaimer about using one's own best judgement of course, as well as grains of salt with what we all read, naturally. However? I'll tell ya. I've learned more here in the time I've been a member than I've picked up over most of a lifetime in reading books and watching things like History and Discovery for documentaries.

I always enjoy reading your posts Wabbit...I say Wabbit for Foreign Secretary!
As to the OP...I have one word...Troll-ocks
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We need to take out NK and China asap, quick, hard and with everything we got and then get ready for the repercussions. If we don't this country will be lost to China in the end anyway. We already have forces to hit them from the East. We are deteriorating more and more every couple years as a country due to our retard, corrupt, greedy, leaders. Its the only way, complete annihilation of China and North Korea! Its inevitable, might as well stop pussy footing around and take the ultimate gamble...but this could be the end!

reply to post by alienzombie666


Don't know if trolling or...

Are you being serious here? You want to wipe out China, the country who's history is thousands of years old compared to US. Go out and get some fresh air please.

reply to post by alienzombie666


I hope you never get one ounce of political power.

reply to post by Spartanian


heaven. hah. america is a place where in the dawn you awaken to fight, compete, train to be strong, capitalize, build up, build eachother up. if instead of roaming around in gangs, armed neighborhoods are actually what i would recommend. in rural areas with open carry, the advantage armed citizens have is territory, lack of cellphone towers, natures bounty, and foreknowledge of their technology. many people in rural areas have the same rifles and pistols the north koreans carry, and because they are semi automatic by law, they are more accurate thus more deadly. not all americans are undisciplined, hence they teach their offspring the ways of combat. there will be so much resistance from not only gangs, but anyone who can get to wilderness really fast. they will survive the longest

reply to post by alienzombie666

Hmmmm.... How to reply in a reasoned and logical way to what borders on dangerous ranting?

I guess I'll say this.... We sit here in 2013 and we have debates..as a people and as a world population at times about World War II. In the honest and historically based debates, I hear one thing come back up, time and time again. It's a reasonable question too. Why the HECK didn't the Germans DO something about the man leading their nation once they had come to realize just what evil had been unleashed. In the days when even the Nazi's could stand with just a little tremble of fear ...at the approach of the Gestapo or specific units of the infamous SS?

If our nation, unprovoked by attacks on the level of our national SURVIVAL, went to "wipe out" North Korea as a nation or China on pretty much any level? You're certainly talking to one American who future generations wouldn't be asking that question about for "Why didn't the Americans DO something about their leadership when THEY KNEW how evil it had become??".

An action like that would, forever, remove all doubt as to that and I'm sure I'd be lost in the crowd of Americans who would throw down all other concerns and priorities to STOP the madness before it killed us all.

Fortunately? I don't believe our Government, however bad it IS, is anywhere near THAT far gone. Thank God for it, too. The world may actually NOT have the ability to stop us ...if America went 100% and totally rogue to that degree.

reply to post by peashooter


Me, being Native American, the Asians are in my bloodline but I live here now, barely surviving on this reservation with my family can't stand hearing about China owning all this land in the US, I just read somewhere else that China is backing NK with all their military, and things here are rough all over for everyone because of the mistakes our so called leaders have made bullying around all these smaller countries and stripping us of our rights here in the US, Cyber attacks, I could go on but I'm thinking if the military would just hurry up and militarily dominate that part of the world and get it over with it might losen some of the slack over here on us, and if not maybe we can start over when it is all done. This tension is causing so much anxiety for everyone it always does. Sometimes domination is the only way!

Originally posted by alienzombie666
reply to post by peashooter

 

Me, being Native American, the Asians are in my bloodline but I live here now, barely surviving on this reservation with my family can't stand hearing about China owning all this land in the US, I just read somewhere else that China is backing NK with all their military, and things here are rough all over for everyone because of the mistakes our so called leaders have made bullying around all these smaller countries and stripping us of our rights here in the US, Cyber attacks, I could go on but I'm thinking if the military would just hurry up and militarily dominate that part of the world and get it over with it might losen some of the slack over here on us, and if not maybe we can start over when it is all done. This tension is causing so much anxiety for everyone it always does. Sometimes domination is the only way!

Stockholm Syndrome?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your words but I'm hearing you say that your people were conquered and put on reservations where they are kept poor and dependent so its only logical to want the conquerors to get busy on dominating the rest of the peoples of the world so they'll ease up on us a little?

It doesn't work that way.

reply to post by frazzle


I'm just feeling that once our oppressor is conquered then our economy would flourish once again, or if we get our asses kicked then there will be a new beginning,something has to give

The U.S would lose a war with N.Korea if China and Russia took the side of N.Korea. Could that happen, yes. I don't think that any other country would want to step in to help. Nobody really knows what is going on behind closed doors. Just like with 9/11. We are not being told the whole truth. The U.S wants more of a presence in that area of the world with there military. I'm sure Obama didn't like being told NO, by the other nations. He wasted his time going over there. China and Russia are ready for us and with N.Korea we don't stand a chance. They have stepped up their military and there war games are against the U.S. We are their target for play, this way China and Russia know ahead of time how to take us down.

Originally posted by alienzombie666
reply to post by frazzle

 

I'm just feeling that once our oppressor is conquered then our economy would flourish once again, or if we get our asses kicked then there will be a new beginning,something has to give

China isn't our oppressor, China has been the lender of last resort for the US government for a while now. Without those loans US military contractors could not have gone on building bigger and badder weapons of mass destruction that the government needs to keep leveling cities and people in other countries and continents that are of no threat to us.

Of course, now China holds all that debt and sooner or later, one way or another, they will collect on it. But that is not North Korea's fault, or even China's. The one guaranteed fact is that you and I and our children will repay that debt with our labor, and yes, our land, since the US government is long since broke. And if this war breaks out, more people will pay with their lives.

"Neither A Borrower Nor Lender Be". How the hell hard is that to get through our thick skulls?

The US will not lose a war against North Korea.

That being said, a war will severely bloody the nose of the US (casualties in the tens of thousands until reinforcements arrive), and utterly decimate South Korea in cost of lives and economic destruction!

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by alienzombie666
reply to post by frazzle

 

I'm just feeling that once our oppressor is conquered then our economy would flourish once again, or if we get our asses kicked then there will be a new beginning,something has to give

China isn't our oppressor, China has been the lender of last resort for the US government for a while now. Without those loans US military contractors could not have gone on building bigger and badder weapons of mass destruction that the government needs to keep leveling cities and people in other countries and continents that are of no threat to us.

Of course, now China holds all that debt and sooner or later, one way or another, they will collect on it. But that is not North Korea's fault, or even China's. The one guaranteed fact is that you and I and our children will repay that debt with our labor, and yes, our land, since the US government is long since broke. And if this war breaks out, more people will pay with their lives.

"Neither A Borrower Nor Lender Be". How the hell hard is that to get through our thick skulls?

Collect? Lets see....

We took out Iraq.... we occupied Afghanistan, Syria is under revolution and when the finality of this all comes to pass Iran will get the smack down

hrrrrrrmmmmm

Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan.... starts in the mediterranean....ends in western China

silk road?

noooooooooo Not Silk.....

ooooo wait Oil? Land Oil Pipe? Much less expensive than tankers.... safer, not so vulnerable to attack.... 1.3 Billion people want cars, to industrialize... Good for global economy.... Nothing but Muslims in charge now anyway on border with China, China = Atheist

Yeah... We paid already there wont be further repercussions.... America has the best Military in the world for rent dontcha know....

reply to post by clay2 baraka


If every Empire that should have won a fight but didn't was still alive, Rome, Egypt, Tzarist Russia, and the Ottoman Empire would all have a seat on the UN top Committee.

Originally posted by penninja

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by alienzombie666
reply to post by frazzle

 

I'm just feeling that once our oppressor is conquered then our economy would flourish once again, or if we get our asses kicked then there will be a new beginning,something has to give

China isn't our oppressor, China has been the lender of last resort for the US government for a while now. Without those loans US military contractors could not have gone on building bigger and badder weapons of mass destruction that the government needs to keep leveling cities and people in other countries and continents that are of no threat to us.

Of course, now China holds all that debt and sooner or later, one way or another, they will collect on it. But that is not North Korea's fault, or even China's. The one guaranteed fact is that you and I and our children will repay that debt with our labor, and yes, our land, since the US government is long since broke. And if this war breaks out, more people will pay with their lives.

"Neither A Borrower Nor Lender Be". How the hell hard is that to get through our thick skulls?

Collect? Lets see....

We took out Iraq.... we occupied Afghanistan, Syria is under revolution and when the finality of this all comes to pass Iran will get the smack down

hrrrrrrmmmmm

Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan.... starts in the mediterranean....ends in western China

silk road?

noooooooooo Not Silk.....

ooooo wait Oil? Land Oil Pipe? Much less expensive than tankers.... safer, not so vulnerable to attack.... 1.3 Billion people want cars, to industrialize... Good for global economy.... Nothing but Muslims in charge now anyway on border with China, China = Atheist

Yeah... We paid already there wont be further repercussions.... America has the best Military in the world for rent dontcha know....

That was so disjointed I could barely follow it. But lets just take Iraq as an example:

Chinese Oil Companies Apparent Victors in Post-Saddam Iraq

oilprice.com...

Real smart, aren't we? As far as I know, not one Chinese soldier had to die to get those oil concessions.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
So why was the OP banned? Strange.

It could have been for many reasons.

I believe it against T&C's to discuss why a member has been banned. I think it is???

I didnt see anything worth banning in his last post or the ones previous. The thread is a bit pointless if OP was rubbed out.

This thread won't go down in the history of anything. It will actually be abandoned and forgotten in a month or so.

Originally posted by LogicIsUnderrated
Too bad I won't be able to take credit for this thread because most sites like ATS legally own everything original that is written regardless who the real author is.

I didn't take the time to read ATS fine print though.

Lets get to how an empire loses a war

Typical American is a slightly overweight person. Gripping a pepsi or coke (I prefer pepsi) watching CNN salivating at the prospect of USA dropping more bombs in the name of doing the world a favour.

A typical American has never experienced true danger at home, civil war long time ago is like a fantasy from history channel.

When US escalates or calls in CIA and Mossad to pull off another false flag or if Kim really does strike first, if he truly is insane. Regardless how a war starts. USA will go in not just guns blazing, TACTICAL NUKES BLAZING

And US will seemingly defeat North Korea in something like 2 days.

The coke and pepsi drinking American will jump up from the sofa chanting USA USA USA.

And then something will happen, something average American and American government never dreamed possible

China and Russia will see this as the final proof that US really is out to get them by death of thousand cuts (invasion of countries 1 by 1).

China and Russia will start a silent attack on US economy, and silent terrorist attack on US civilians.

Suddenly large cities will have bio-weapons outbreaks, China will try to crash the bond market (which they can do), New York Stock Exchange and Chicago Stock Exchange will close indefinitely to prevent collapse of Dow and Nasdaq.

US dollar will begin a collapse.

Americans will panic

Banks will close.

Marshal Law will be proclaimed.

People like gangs and even ordinary civilians will start shooting guns here and there.

Military will be told to start gun confiscation and FEMA camp placements.

A CIVIL WAR WILL START IN USA

MILLIONS WILL DIE

US will be henceforth known as The Great Whore That fell. Babylon The Great.

edit on 6-4-2013 by LogicIsUnderrated because: (no reason given)

You seem to presume that all of North Korea's recent threats are not simply posturing or for the purpose of cementing power AT HOME, rather than anything for external consumption.

Also, stop playing Homefront.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

I enjoy reading your posts usually, but with all due respect this "why didn't the germans DO something" is complete horsecrap.

They tried 50 TIMES i believe, AND hitler survived 15? assassination attempts that were almost successful.

Now I'm not comparing obama to hitler, however when i see stasi state police trampling all over our rights every single day and i don't see ANYONE doing ANYTHING, maybe the better question is "How come us americans don't have the balls to at least try something, anything, in the face of this obvious tyranny?"

The ego of my country is borderline psychotic sometimes i swear.

reply to post by LogicIsUnderrated