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Personally, in this day and age, whatever your interpretation of the verses, I find it a bit disturbing the amount of pressure put on women against wearing such things (especially in Europe), under the guise of "freeing women". Seems a bit contradictory to free women by imposing what they can and cannot wear.
Personally, in this day and age, whatever your interpretation of the verses, I find it a bit disturbing the amount of pressure put on women against wearing such things (especially in Europe), under the guise of "freeing women". Seems a bit contradictory to free women by imposing what they can and cannot wear.
Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by windword
Well, now that is an interesting thought. Since he would have likened what they were doing to paganistic practices, and abominable before God. So I think you have a valid angle. It's something I hadn't considered that he might be referencing there. Well done.
Paul has always mystified me in some ways. His actions didn't always seem to match his teaching. And I think he took the "all things to all men" angle to an extreme sometimes. On the one hand, he didn't allow women to speak in the church, or have authority over men. Yet on the other, he made deacons of a few women. So much for not speaking in church. A deacon has to be able to teach and preach with authority.
ETA: Sorry Jigger. I'm seriously not trying to hijack your thread.edit on 4/2/2013 by Klassified because: eta
Originally posted by jiggerj
When a woman converts to islam, does it mean that she WANTS to be subservient to men?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by jiggerj
When a woman converts to islam, does it mean that she WANTS to be subservient to men?
Apparently so. Either that, or she has no clue how Islam views and treats women.
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by jiggerj
When a woman converts to islam, does it mean that she WANTS to be subservient to men?
Originally posted by adjensen
For some reason, that brought to mind this:
The whole "hide the women to keep men from being tempted" thing just seems ridiculous to me.
I have no idea what is in the Quran... But I was always under the impression that they covered up to avoid the unwanted attentions of men other than their husbands, who were unable to control themselves!
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Instead, let me ask you... when a woman go out in public in revealing clothes does it mean she WANTS to be seen as a sex objects?
Is yes the wrong answer? I'm thinking yes, or at least she wants to be seen as attractive.
Originally posted by Prezbo369
I see this thread has attracted it's fair amount of crazies, so I'll keep this short
Forcing/encouraging woman to dress like like this is incredibly backwards, but then how many organisations/clubs/cults that were created and run by men ever treated women well?
don't forget the base weirdness of marrying 6 year olds...
2:222. They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt
and a pollution: So keep away from
women in their courses, and do not
approach them until they are clean.
But when they have purified
themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained
for you by Allah. For Allah loves those
who turn to Him constantly and He
loves those who keep themselves
pure and clean.
223. Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or
how ye will; but do some good act for
your souls beforehand; and fear
Allah. And know that ye are to meet
Him (in the Hereafter), and give
(these) good tidings to those who believe.
Originally posted by eight bits
My understanding of the situation, at least in France, is that the purpose of pertinent regulations is to secure for all French people the secular republic which the French Constitution guarantees. In the special case of tax-supported schools, integration into the mainstream of French society is an explicit goal of the French public educational system.
There is also concern that women are subject to violent harrasment by street rowdies if they don't wear this costume, and further reprisal if they report the battery to the police.
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Forcing/encouraging woman to dress like like this is incredibly backwards,
Those are all very interesting reasons, except (in the case of burqas) they aren't just banned in schools, they are banned everywhere in public. And I don't quite agree with conflating "integrating into French society" with "dress like us, eat like us, hold beliefs like us". Even taking into consideration French stereotypes, that isn't true.
I find it a bit disturbing the amount of pressure put on women against wearing such things (especially in Europe), under the guise of "freeing women". Seems a bit contradictory to free women by imposing what they can and cannot wear.
As for your second reason, ...
For all the claims of Islam's supposed hate towards women, it is interesting how in much of the west, the greatest percentage of converts to Islam are women.
Originally posted by eight bits
I don't know the empirical basis of your statement about the gender composition of Western converts. I'd be delighted to look at anything you might suggest, even if it is a different aspect of the topic than what I posted about.
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by jiggerj
When a woman converts to islam, does it mean that she WANTS to be subservient to men?