Have You Heard of the National Clandestine Service?

reply to post by bastupungen


Thanks for the link. As for not having followed-up on the ATS specific thread that has been mentioned? It didn't seem germane to the topic at hand to me, so I didn't pay much mind to it.

In looking at the thread in the thrash bin just now I can see why it would have hit the bin. The OP of that thread is participating in this thread as well. If he/she is curious still I'll be happy to explain the three things I see wrong the thread and explain why it was rightfully removed.

Those reasons have nothing to do with Sandy Hook at all.

The lesson to learn, and the shame of it really is that if the OP would have reached out, there is no reason why they could not have simply fixed some problems and reposted the thread themselves.

FTR: I am moving the day after tomorrow and do not know if I will have Internet access for the next few months. But if I do - anyone with questions about such things is always welcome to send me a u2u and I will happily try to help answer questions.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by bastupungen

 

Thanks for the link. As for not having followed-up on the ATS specific thread that has been mentioned? It didn't seem germane to the topic at hand to me, so I didn't pay much mind to it.

In looking at the thread in the thrash bin just now I can see why it would have hit the bin. The OP of that thread is participating in this thread as well. If he/she is curious still I'll be happy to explain the three things I see wrong the thread and explain why it was rightfully removed.

Those reasons have nothing to do with Sandy Hook at all.

The lesson to learn, and the shame of it really is that if the OP would have reached out, there is no reason why they could not have simply fixed some problems and reposted the thread themselves.

FTR: I am moving the day after tomorrow and do not know if I will have Internet access for the next few months. But if I do - anyone with questions about such things is always welcome to send me a u2u and I will happily try to help answer questions.

great another great vague answer, how surprising...

reply to post by bastupungen


It was not vague at all. It was simply not the answer you wanted.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by bastupungen

 

It was not vague at all. It was simply not the answer you wanted.

It was quite vague. And it did not answer anything, in fact it wasn't any answer at all in your response only you dancing around the question.

But whatever.. Maybe the sites motto ain't too important to the site's administrators. Off to another site and grant them ad-revenue. I am currently in several sites discussing this very issue and they will be sad to know that this forums administrators have shown no intention of following their own philosophy and have only been disrupting and disencouraging discussion from the very beginning.

sad heff.. sad

Originally posted by bastupungen

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by bastupungen

 

Thanks for the link. As for not having followed-up on the ATS specific thread that has been mentioned? It didn't seem germane to the topic at hand to me, so I didn't pay much mind to it.

In looking at the thread in the thrash bin just now I can see why it would have hit the bin. The OP of that thread is participating in this thread as well. If he/she is curious still I'll be happy to explain the three things I see wrong the thread and explain why it was rightfully removed.

The lesson to learn, and the shame of it really is that if the OP would have reached out, there is no reason why they could not have simply fixed some problems and reposted the thread themselves.

Heffcide,

Tell me the three things, because I received no detail from the mod who was responsible for the deletion. I asked two other mods who simply said they were not part of the discussion and could not comment on what happened to that thread. Let's get this over with and move on. We don't want to make the same errors again.

Have you heard of the CIA's OMA, though, is the question.

Did you know that mission planning and goals for SOCOM is generally done by CIA, except for 'first tier' SF?

reply to post by bigfootgurl


I think with fewer and fewer venues to discuss things like SH openly, people turn to sites like ATS and hence forget that your 1st ammendment doesn't apply on a privately owned forum.

Youtube, Facebook, they all censor. This site has a great track record in the time that I have been here but I have only briefly participated in SH threads and never kept track if and how many of them ended up getting deleted for various reasons. I agree about posting people's information as well, feel free to discuss your thoughts but as far as harrassing people, I suppose until concrete evidence comes forward linking someone to some complicity then that is different.

As far as commenting on things like the interviews that happened I think that's fine. You walk a fine line when discussing things that are fresh in the publics mind, and however peculiar a story seems you should be objective. Ask questions but don't make wild claims without at least some evidence. I think names are okay in some situations but addresses, telephone numbers and email addresses aren't. And in the end what are we going to do, go investigate ourselves with a camera and get interviews? It's a shame when you don't know if police are complicit in a coverup of something or not. Who really can you trust these days? And alternative news media doesn't have the resources to send investigate reporters all over the place, which is why they routinely collaborate with investigative reporters who themselves, have a career at stake for going beyond the official story. So it comes down to groups like We Are Change and such. Citizen journalists to dig for real info. But please try and use some discretion with the manner in which you evaluate your evidence and make claims.

Originally posted by Hefficide

This is an obvious hoax and can be proven as such with one simple application of logic...

The supposition is that a highly trained member of an elite intelligence agency accidentally copy/pasted a page from some situational guidelines manual during a conversation about a conspiracy.

So the logical question is... why did this person not just immediately edit the post back out or at least spin control the damage by going on to claim it to be a joke themselves?

Even in a worst case scenario the CIA would have contacted GLP to have the entire thread totally purged and GLP would have had no choice but to comply.

The NCS doesn't operate within the United States. Such operations, if they exist, are the provenance of the NSA and Cybercommand.

One doesn't even have to dig that far to see this for what it is. Sure, it is a psyop - but one that probably traces to somebody seeking lulz and not any actual government agencies. This would even be a lame op for an enemy of the US to try and undertake as the premise doesn't stand up under logical analysis.

Deleting something that went out on the internet is impossible. Even for the PTB.

Originally posted by Hefficide
--->snip

I imagine you bank online - many people do these days. If not, let's just pretend that you do and let's imagine that you are going back and forth, between tabs, balancing your bank account and talking on ATS. At some point you inadvertently copy and paste your entire bank account page to ATS. Account numbers, names, addresses, balances... the whole ball of wax. Do you then panic and make 25 sock puppet accounts to try and muddy the waters or do you just edit the post out? If others had already screen captured your post - wouldn't you then simply contact ATS and ask them to not only protect your private information but to remove those screen capture images from their image hosting and ban anyone who got hell bent upon trying to get the images posted anyway?

Every thread about the subject would be trashed. Every single one. Those specific to the information and even those speaking about it in the abstract - because even those abstract conversations would be morally questionable and potential dangers to your privacy and well being. Right?

Greetings, just one quick point:
On that other forum which shall go unnamed, the “Anonymous Cowards” (a/k/a “AC's”), do not have the capability of editing their posts, which could possibly explain why the person in question's only option was to panic and make 25 sock-puppet accounts and then engage in the ‘ol forum slide trick...

~E.C.

You're nuts if you think the CIA doesn't operate domestically. They've peed on every tree and fire hydrant on the planet including the United States.

You go ahead and trust Uncle Sam if you want. The rest of us will deal with the truth. Our government doesn't care who it bones.

reply to post by 3mperorConstantinE


Very good point. I did not know this and it explains alot of the followed panic.

reply to post by bastupungen

It is a good point, that they can't edit their own posts on the other sites. If ATS had that I'd be known as a very bad speller!

On this thread overall, I have no idea what the fuss is about. Seriously. It is common knowledge that these lying manipulators come onto websites to steer things toward an idea or to ruin threads. So, if we know they do that, that checklist of "things to write down" makes perfect sense. They would write down who seems to be a leader on the thread, who is bringing the discussion back to point after they disrupt it, who is adding pertinent information, if the mods are catching on to them, which moderators are manipulated easily and which ones keep the thread rolling on course, and all the other points (I think I've covered some of them better than the checklist did, so you guys in the bunkers, feel free to use those at will). What can't be manipulated are smart people focusing on an idea that interests them, new information about those ideas, and new, original, or very informative points being made about the subject of a thread. So like everyone else on ATS, I'd say the paid propaganda people are welcome to be here, and hopefully are learning more about the world while working here. And, more importantly, sneaking in some good info from time to time! Come on you guys, share your ghost story with us, or your favorite recipe. Make yourself useful to the sites you work on as well as to your employees.

reply to post by bastupungen


Hello, I'm M-E-H, from that thread in question. Since my last 3 or 4 or so posts in that thread were deleted, and I was (and am) instabanned from posting there, I can tell you someone thinks that this is real enough to blatantly screw with. I have no idea what in my posts or the dozen or so other posts that were deleted was worth the effort. Of course, I didn't get to see them all before deletion, and I didn't save screen shots of my posts. Damn!

I do know that yesterday, when I went to Google and did a search for "predev persona" there were about 100 docs returned, including an article on insanemedia. com. Today the same search brings back 10 docs, mostly old, from the 24th/25th. Same for Bing, Yahoo, and DuckDuckGo.

Now, can someone explain that to me?

Oh, and there is some really good analysis being done on a few threads in other places trying to vet exactly how/if that error could occur. Seems pointless to try and get in-depth into it here.

I sure would love to hear from any of the others who participated in that thread though. Particularly the couple of people who pushed the agent to the wall and uncovered enough that he got nervous and made a mistake(conjecture, I know). I'm sure they were all banned as well, and may still be looking for a safe haven for posting in.

M.E.H.

reply to post by Empyreal

Welcome to ATS. See, this thread is staying up, and larks sing hosannas in the sky. So maybe you've found a new home?

I still don't see the fuss. "They" run some puppets onto the threads here and elsewhere, and like I said in the post just above yours, if they're going to do that they better have some kind of report form to fill out and pass around. I don't know why they'd want to do that on most topics, but some come to mind, and it's a way of keeping track of where people's minds are in the general population by using correlated data sets on each type of personality that posts on these sites (I'd think that each site is rated on intelligence level, gullibility level, curiosity range, various potential actions, things like that - and if not, they should be, jeez, we have to do your jobs for you?). It's a way to keep track of a small segment of the population which, except for that one crazy guy who posted here and was obviously loony from the language he used, is safe and poses no danger to others, is pretty well aware of new stuff, can see viewpoints and angles about things that others miss, and enjoys a good discussion. So of course there is something to this, yes, it is acknowledged by these type of agencies that they put people into sites to "blend in". And if they do that they must have some type of questionairre to fill out - governments love their paperwork - and we are lucky to get a look at some of it. But the point is that we, as posters here, unintentionally work hand-in-hand with these agencies in analyzing the world and coming up with options, questions, and unique perspectives about the topics brought up by ourselves and other people here. This is a fun site, and I bet the spooks working it think so too.

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by bastupungen

 

. What can't be manipulated are smart people focusing on an idea that interests them, new information about those ideas, and new, original, or very informative points being made about the subject of a thread. So like everyone else on ATS, I'd say the paid propaganda people are welcome to be here, and hopefully are learning more about the world while working here. And, more importantly, sneaking in some good info from time to time! Come on you guys, share your ghost story with us, or your favorite recipe. Make yourself useful to the sites you work on as well as to your employees.

I do not welcome paid propaganda people on ATS. The disruption of conversations that start out with potential has been frustrating. The many threads hijacked by abuse and trolling over the years is a sad, ugly thing to consider, because they could have led to fruitful communication among real people.

No, I'm not OK with shills.

Originally posted by Bedlam
Have you heard of the CIA's OMA, though, is the question.

Did you know that mission planning and goals for SOCOM is generally done by CIA, except for 'first tier' SF?

Would you care to elaborate? Where did you hear of OMA?

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by Empyreal

 

Welcome to ATS. See, this thread is staying up, and larks sing hosannas in the sky. So maybe you've found a new home?

I still don't see the fuss. "They" run some puppets onto the threads here and elsewhere, and like I said in the post just above yours, if they're going to do that they better have some kind of report form to fill out and pass
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curiosity range, various potential actions, things like that - and if not, they should be, jeez, we have to do your jobs for you?). It's a way to keep track of a small segment of the population which, except for that one crazy guy who posted here and was obviously loony from the language he used, is safe and poses no danger to others, is pretty well aware of new stuff, can see viewpoints and angles about things that others miss, and
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other people here. This is a fun site, and I bet the spooks working it think so too.

Thank you for the welcome.

Here is the fuss for me. Naive, I know, but I actually expect my government to live up to it's ideals, not to mention the rule of law. So when I learn that the CIA National Clandestine Services - Special Access Division has agents or contractors who are spending their time reading what I and others are writing online, assembling dossiers on frequent posters and posting information designed to derail researchers or steer them in the officially desired direction, I get fussy. When I learn that a wide selection of supposedly unrelated websites and search engines are erasing data, sanitizing threads, and banning users I get REALLY fussy.

And to your point about it being a way to keep track of a small segment of the population, lets be clear that we are talking about the U.S. population, who live IN the U.S. The U.S., where the CIA is expressly forbidden to run operations, particularly against the U.S. population. What right or need do they have to keep track of these people "who are safe and posse no danger to anyone"? I'm sure there is an Executive Order covering this, which doesn't make it legal, it only makes it ignored.

From what we've heard, the job is not fun. It's soul crushing.

M.E.H.

Originally posted by Pilot

Originally posted by Bedlam
Have you heard of the CIA's OMA, though, is the question.

Did you know that mission planning and goals for SOCOM is generally done by CIA, except for 'first tier' SF?

Would you care to elaborate? Where did you hear of OMA?

OMA basically determines the missions and mission parameters for Special Forces. Maybe for other SOF, but definitely for SF. OMA is supposed to keep CIA and SF missions from interfering with each other and whatnot, but in practice it ends up being CIA making a lot of the decisions, which causes some animosity at most levels of the SF.

Mainly because the CIA really likes sneak-and-peek missions, where you lurk around and gather info. They've got a jones for the intel gathering and 'advisory' missions. They detest DA missions. No one wants a steady bait of passive no fun jobs though. So there was a really hard pushback against OMA a few years back when Rummy went in, and currently Dr Carter has ended up running his very own secret SF division that is pure DA. The CIA hates them, and there's actually some infighting in the field that goes on between SAD/SOG and Carter's bunch.

reply to post by Empyreal

I agree with both of you, these people are despicable, especially when they try to disrupt threads (that's what mods should be here for). And they probably have tried to hide the fact that they were caught mainly because it could become a media story if any reporter was actually on the ball or an editor was honest (where have all those flowers gone?). But since the U.S. still has those pesky free speech laws, even the government has a right to hire people to post on threads and take notes on whatever they want to take notes on. They're the ones who have to live with themselves, and have forgotten part of their humanity.

reply to post by Aleister


I'm no legal scholar, but if the CIA is forbidden from operating within US borders, how does the First Amendment protect operatives engaged in shilling exactly? You don't sound too sure about that. Are you trying to make excuses for these people while simultaneously disapproving of what they do?