Climategate Leaker: Our Civilization Is Being Killed By Lying 'Science' Elitists

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It's not bad data nor outright lies, check out the second link in my sig.

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Thank you Sonny1,

There is a lot at stake here if these people are messing with data
for the sake of continual funding and research.

I think many of them,and noteably David Keith are "double minded" men....they have
convinced themselves that they can pollute the planet with Sulfate Aerosols
to "correct" AGW...one minute, and the next they say it would be the last ditch
effort because it would also ruin the earths atmosphere!

It all smacks of a giant hoax, perpetrated upon man at a time in which
industry needs solutions to rising costs of energy, and carelessness with
natural resources that have polluted the earth.

Originally posted by AndyMayhew
Science does not hide.

Well, thats what congress said to the so called
climate scientists after they were caught hiding.

Go figure...huh?

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CATO isn't a conservative think tank. It is the only libertarian think tank that I know of.

In 1988 Atmospheric Physicist Dr. James Hansen, now head of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, testified at a US Senate Committee hearing that:

Wow. The same folks that cover up findings on the moon and mars. Didn't richard hoagland expose them enough already?

it was 99 percent certain that the warming trend was not a natural variation but was caused by a buildup of carbon dioxide and other artificial gases in the atmosphere

What exactly is "a natural variation" and what is it caused by???

Why would the President or anyone in his Cabinet re-write someone's testimony? Why use deception and pressure to get a scientist to say what he knows isn't true? It's a very different kind of thing than engaging the scientific process and hearing what other scientists have to say on the subject.

That is like asking why Obama, the big business shill, gave all these trillionare dollar bailouts. Bush started by giving 700 billion. The continuation of the wars based on the 9-11 myth and the continuation of the bloated military.

Liberals are not progressives. Many people have said this again and again. They PRETEND to care about poor people and the enviroment but they don't. If you want left try spusa or green party. At least they are 80% honest.

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You lost me when you referenced richard hoagland aka blowhard extraordinaire (excuse any spelling mistakes)

second

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And all of it could have been staged for someone to find.. Scientist"s are far from Elitist's and civilization can't be killed, it is like a virus in the natural world. It does the killing.

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I think many of them,and noteably David Keith are "double minded" men....they have convinced themselves that they can pollute the planet with Sulfate Aerosols
to "correct" AGW...one minute, and the next they say it would be the last ditch
effort because it would also ruin the earths atmosphere!

No. They don't say it would ruin the atmosphere. They say that the possibility of unforeseen consequences is too great to think about using aerosol SRM unless the warming reaches catastrophic levels. They are in favor of reducing pollution (including greenhouse gasses) in order to avoid that. They are also in favor of continuing the use of computer and laboratory modelling to study the ramifications of the use of aerosol SRM.

Originally posted by Phage
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I think many of them,and noteably David Keith are "double minded" men....they have convinced themselves that they can pollute the planet with Sulfate Aerosols
to "correct" AGW...one minute, and the next they say it would be the last ditch
effort because it would also ruin the earths atmosphere!

No. They don't say it would ruin the atmosphere. They say that the possibility of unforeseen consequences is too great to think about using aerosol SRM unless the warming reaches catastrophic levels. They are in favor of reducing pollution (including greenhouse gasses) in order to avoid that. They are also in favor of continuing the use of computer and laboratory modelling to study the ramifications of the use of aerosol SRM.

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There is nothing unforeseen about dumping aerosol into the atmosphere. There is absolutely no need for it. Please name another civilization on earth that did it and needed it.

You wont find one.

And yet man kind has manage to live this long.

10 megatons of aluminum is serious. Along with other heavy metals that have been made into nano particles also contributes to the air you breath.


Phage you're a smart, practical guy. However, Sometimes I feel like you're one of them.

I don't mean to be rude, But you seem to live in this world where airplanes that have been designed in the 21st century are supposed to be releasing contrails at many different altitudes.

With this logic. I think it's safe to say there is no need for conspiracy. Our planes are just so high tech that they create clouds and contrails normally now.

So it's safe to say future planes will?

On top of that, There are many air samples that have been taking that show increased heavy metals.

If YOU don't believe that. How about you make a thread on here of you taking an air sample and getting it tested for heavy metals.

I think that will get you some stars and flags. To prove me wrong that the air you are breathing is clean, Heavy metal free.

Why do you think organic food is so popular.

Just because of GMO? No it's because people know what ever is in the soil. Gets in your food. Most companies don't flush their soil. Let alone used distilled or RO to flush. So everything is put into the food.

The quality of everyday life is what you see outside. For you to say it's just normal contrails is almost blasphemy. I want you to know before you go on saying everything is alright. How about for once you take in all the information and disprove it.

Are you aware of the Health of many different countries right now, Including the United States?

Are you aware of people chelating more now and trying to find the perfect Chlorella to remove heavy metals from their bodies.

You put a post of a huge chunk of aluminum on another post saying how do you expect this to get into your lungs.

You should look into nanoparticles. If you disprove all of the above then you obviously are not in the world we live in.

It's better to be safe than sorry.


Edit: I just want to let you know, Keith was asked what would happen if 10 megatons of aluminum was put into the atmosphere for manipulating the weather.

And he didn't say "We aren't using 10 megatons" he said "We are just now testing it on human health, But we haven't released anything"

So it's obvious they were going to use 10 megatons. In the scenario, Which isn't being monitored by anyone.

So yes 10 megatons of aluminum can definitely effect the ground level.

Wigington: “Did you do a study on human respiration? 10 megatons of aluminum dumped into the atmosphere will have no human health impacts?” Keith: “Let me be more careful here… to separate out the toxicological crux. The aluminum we have only begun to research and published nothing. Mostly worked on sulfur and the relevant comparison is that just as Robock said...(referring to sulfur particle number studies mentioned by Alan Robock). “The whole thing he just got through was particle numbers, the impact of particle numbers…but we haven’t done anything on aluminum. So if we add onto the tropo aerosols, could we have any impact? That was totally irrelevant. That was just on particle numbers... But we haven’t done anything serious on aluminum and so there could be something terrible that we will find tomorrow that we haven’t looked at.”

www.proliberty.com...

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Please name another civilization on earth that did it and needed it.

Name one that has needed it and done it.

On top of that, There are many air samples that have been taking that show increased heavy metals.

Yeah. It's called polllution. Cars and factories and stuff.

And he didn't say "We aren't using 10 megatons" he said "We are just now testing it on human health, But we haven't released anything"

Tell me again where he said they are just now testing it?

Originally posted by Phage
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Please name another civilization on earth that did it and needed it.

Name one that has needed it and done it.

On top of that, There are many air samples that have been taking that show increased heavy metals.

Yeah. It's called polllution. Cars and factories and stuff.

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600 million years ago when the tropics froze over.

I just wonder though, where do we draw the line?

To the people that think global climate change is a "lie". Where do we draw the line on how much pollution we allow companies to pump out into our atmosphere? We will eventually run out of fossil fuels, even if you people don't believe in climate change everyone should support environmentalism. We need to develop alternate methods of energy.

Originally posted by Phage
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Please name another civilization on earth that did it and needed it.

Name one that has needed it and done it.

On top of that, There are many air samples that have been taking that show increased heavy metals.

Yeah. It's called polllution. Cars and factories and stuff.

And he didn't say "We aren't using 10 megatons" he said "We are just now testing it on human health, But we haven't released anything"

Tell me again where he said they are just now testing it?

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8:32

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600 million years ago when the tropics froze over.

Really? Aerosol SRM when the first animals showed up? The tropics were frozen?

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8:32

Where did he say they are just now testing it?

Originally posted by Phage
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600 million years ago when the tropics froze over.

Really? Aerosol SRM when the first animals showed up? The tropics were frozen?

Yes the tropics froze, Unless you have an explanation for how the glacier formation happened there.

And the point is climate has changed many many times.

If you think what we are going through now is the first than you're wrong.

The Earth is a living thing man. To manipulate it is not good. In anyway.

Apparently mother nature couldn't do it better so you intervene?

Do we have more radiation coming off the Sun now than then? Is the Sun that active to have to GeoEngineer.

Or are we supposed to just say everything is okay, They are just blocking out the Sun. No need for Sun Screen.

Originally posted by Phage
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8:32

Where did he say they are just now testing it?

9:45



Wigington: “Did you do a study on human respiration? 10 megatons of aluminum dumped into the atmosphere will have no human health impacts?”

Keith: “Let me be more careful here… to separate out the toxicological crux. The aluminum we have only begun to research and published nothing.

I know you can find it =]

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Yes the tropics froze, Unless you have an explanation for how the glacier formation happened there.

You're right.
Low CO2 levels, reduced solar irradiance, and changes in ocean currents all at the same time can account for it.
www.giss.nasa.gov...

If you think what we are going through now is the first than you're wrong.

I don't think it's the first time. But it is the first time in recorded history.

Do we have more radiation coming off the Sun now than then?

More than 600 million years ago? That would seem to be one of the requirements.

Or are we supposed to just say everything is okay, They are just blocking out the Sun. No need for Sun Screen.

Everything does not seem to be ok. Things seem to be getting warmer. If they continue to get warmer it will not be good for a lot of people.
Who is blocking out the Sun?

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Keith: “Let me be more careful here… to separate out the toxicological crux. The aluminum we have only begun to research and published nothing.

Yes. I heard that. I didn't hear the part about testing though.

Originally posted by Phage
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Yes the tropics froze, Unless you have an explanation for how the glacier formation happened there.

You're right.
Low CO2 levels, reduced solar irradiance, and changes in ocean currents all at the same time can account for it.
www.giss.nasa.gov...

If you think what we are going through now is the first than you're wrong.

I don't think it's the first time. But it is the first time in recorded history.

Do we have more radiation coming off the Sun now than then?

More than 600 million years ago? That would seem to be one of the requirements.

Or are we supposed to just say everything is okay, They are just blocking out the Sun. No need for Sun Screen.

Everything does not seem to be ok. Things seem to be getting warmer. If they continue to get warmer it will not be good for a lot of people.
Who is blocking out the Sun?

GeoEngineering is not just to cool down the planet. It's to control climate. Just like I can do in my greenhouse outside.

So it can be used for good or bad.

Along with the heavy metal toxins that you breathe in and have to now chelate from your body. These heavy metals are getting dumped into the atmosphere. For what ever purpose.

They even said that is what they are doing. It's a market. Can you not see the scientists want to make money? It's a money game and you know it. It has nothing to do with helping man kind or anyone on the face of this Earth.

I'm starting to think this is why the rich are building bunkers.

Hey it's an excellent way to depop then come out to a world of just the people that were rich enough to survive.

We have the technology. Especially if we can sit here and debate on whether or not that is what they are doing with it.


I guess my point is before you say it's ice particles. Why not look at what they planned to do with GeoEngineering.

How they said they will put certain metals, chemicals, Etc into the air. Just look at their portfolio.

And ask yourself what would it look like if they were doing it?

Would it look like contrails? Or would they use dirigibles.

It's alright to be wrong sometimes Phage.

Originally posted by Phage
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Keith: “Let me be more careful here… to separate out the toxicological crux. The aluminum we have only begun to research and published nothing.

Yes. I heard that. I didn't hear the part about testing though.

Well, Ask your Dr. if Aluminum is bad for you. Actually you could look it up online. The point being is 10 megatons dumped into the atmosphere. How many miles does that cover. That obviously wouldn't cover the whole project. Seeing as this would have to be done on a basis. Lets say every month. So 10 megatons every month (I'm being reasonable) along with however many miles it covers.

That's a lot of Aluminum.... And what ever else they use (Barium, Tellurium, Etc)

Researching and testing go hand in hand.

Thing is those metals shouldn't be in your body anyways. Especially at the level that can be found outside.

Once again, Take an air quality test if you disprove.

Or you can do a hair sample, To see how much aluminum you have ingested.

Sounds crazy, But when people are getting sick. Have high levels of metals in their hair tests. Then yeah you gotta start saying it's not just from Factories.

That's a good excuse though.