Vatican Insider - Pope Francis replaces 'Throne of Peter' with simple chair

This is awesome, I'm really happy to see news like this. For too long they've lived in loftiness and apart from those who believe in them. I'm not religious but I have a good feeling about this guy.

Originally posted by Kharron
This is awesome, I'm really happy to see news like this. For too long they've lived in loftiness and apart from those who believe in them. I'm not religious but I have a good feeling about this guy.

I couldn't put my finger on it, but now I think I have. The man comes off as a true leader... something we haven't seen in a very long time. Time will tell if he truly is or not, but the idea of leading by example has vanished to history. It used to be that a true leader would ride into battle with his troops... and yet now we have bullet proof "pope mobiles" and armed "escorts". It's because we elect cowards.

Abraham Lincoln used to walk alone among the people. And while I don't respect the man's politics, I do respect him as a man for having such faith in the people he lead. A ruler should be elected based on what he has done rather than his blood or politics. It's the way it has always been and we need to stop choosing corruption and greed in the men and women that we as a society look up to.

What does an honest man have to fear from the people that elected him?

I'm going to sound like a raving lunatic, but like I said before I just don't know.
I think he's a genuine person, but I just can't help thinking that he's drawing to many people around him, attitudes changing to fast, its almost unnatural.

could care less either way but should be good for the church, one look at the vatican and one wonders where the call to shred ones physical things and live humbly are thrown out the door with gold splattered on everything.


ill be more amazed if he drives around without the bullet proof bubble, when i first saw that i knew there was no god (man made gods anyway) because he/she cant even protect his/her own servants lol and they dont even have faith in their own god to protect them lol.

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I find it funny that so many "scholars" insist on quoting verses from the bible of a proven liar, the fake Apostle Paul. Yeshua / Jesus said that if ANYONE were to claim to have seen in anywhere after he left them that person was a liar. Paul gave 3 different stories of his so called conversion. Paul's letters have caused almost all of the division in the body of Messiah. In fact, Paul bemoans the fact that he was rejected in Asia which is referenced in the book of Revelation that the Church of Ephesus (Asia) was being praised for rejecting Paul:

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

It was Paul who was rejected not only by the Ephesians, but also by the disciples like James and Peter whom Yeshua picked to lead. Also, Yeshua picked 12 disciples/apostles and there are 12 thrones for the Apostles written about in Revelation. So, just who is Paul? Who does he emulate? He tells us to obey the government in all things despite the fact that is contrary to the Tanach (OT). Paul is a tent maker just like Cain and his descendents. Paul is a Herodian Jew which means he was all about the money. Paul was a 5th column insert into the church by his father Satan, and his works follow him such as division and suffering.

So please, don't quote to me of the imposter, infiltrator and traitor Paul. Anyone who rightly divides the word can spot his insipid lies woven into the 95% truth he wrote.

There is a difference in theGospel of Paul vs. Gospel of Messiah.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by woodwytch
Surely the Head Of The Catholic Church in the shape of the new Pope should be focusing on cleaning-up the depravities of the church he leads (of which there are many) ... instead of wasting time on his 'simple' clothes and furniture.

How do you know he isn't doing that? I'm sure he's capable of doing many things at the same time. And he's only been in office a few days. Give him some time to implement changes.

You seem to have missed the point I was making ... it's not about the number of changes he is/will make ... it's about the priority he places said changes in and to me the 'chair and clothes' are trivalities (fluff) ... IMHO he would make more of an impact if he began with the 'BIG' stuff not the 'fluffy' stuff that seems to have made the news ... the importance you yourself put on it that prompted you to start this thread being my case in point !

Woody

Originally posted by woodwytch

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by woodwytch
Surely the Head Of The Catholic Church in the shape of the new Pope should be focusing on cleaning-up the depravities of the church he leads (of which there are many) ... instead of wasting time on his 'simple' clothes and furniture.

How do you know he isn't doing that? I'm sure he's capable of doing many things at the same time. And he's only been in office a few days. Give him some time to implement changes.

You seem to have missed the point I was making ... it's not about the number of changes he is/will make ... it's about the priority he places said changes in and to me the 'chair and clothes' are trivalities (fluff) ... IMHO he would make more of an impact if he began with the 'BIG' stuff not the 'fluffy' stuff that seems to have made the news ... the importance you yourself put on it that prompted you to start this thread being my case in point !

Woody

The symbolism is important - he sends an immediate and very clear message with a few simple choices

And - it has only been a few days. Give him a chance to unpack his toothbrush, find his way to the cafeteria and get his new newspaper delivered

Rome wasn't built in a day

:-)

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis

Originally posted by woodwytch

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by woodwytch
Surely the Head Of The Catholic Church in the shape of the new Pope should be focusing on cleaning-up the depravities of the church he leads (of which there are many) ... instead of wasting time on his 'simple' clothes and furniture.

How do you know he isn't doing that? I'm sure he's capable of doing many things at the same time. And he's only been in office a few days. Give him some time to implement changes.

You seem to have missed the point I was making ... it's not about the number of changes he is/will make ... it's about the priority he places said changes in and to me the 'chair and clothes' are trivalities (fluff) ... IMHO he would make more of an impact if he began with the 'BIG' stuff not the 'fluffy' stuff that seems to have made the news ... the importance you yourself put on it that prompted you to start this thread being my case in point !

Woody

The symbolism is important - he sends an immediate and very clear message with a few simple choices

And - it has only been a few days. Give him a chance to unpack his toothbrush, find his way to the cafeteria and get his new newspaper delivered

Rome wasn't built in a day

:-)

Fair enough ... we wait and see

Woody

Originally posted by Senduko
Be wary of the man who bearing gifts

Its quite stunning how this pope appeals to the masses...

^that

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by MamaJ
He sounds like the perfect deception to me.

The guy is 76 years old .. has one lung ....



So far .. I like him.

And that sort of fluff information somehow adds credit to him ?

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like the conquistadors giving little trinkets like mirrors or beads to natives, then destroying their world.

Oh, he is such a nice guy....

AND?

What is he going to do as your LEADER?

He has a position of power over your faith and you are all in love with his "humbleness".
How about he acts like a competent leader. You know, restore the church to her former glory, clean out all the criminals, and kid rapers, and set a standard of spirituality not anchored in this world and acts of symbolic "goodness".


Give to the poor and do for others....this...THIS is his message?

We know that. Where are his spiritual teachings? Where is his direction for the salvation of souls?

I know and have known these things. JESUS taught that. HE is supposed to guide and preserve the church.

His little "show" is the equivalent of a politician kissing a baby and shaking a veterans hand on camera.

So he is going to face down decades of criminality, mafia activities, pedophilia and everything else that has made the church rotten to the core with public shows of "humility"?

ORLY 0.o

he SHOULD BE HUMBLE anyways. This is not something that should be signs of character. HE IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER. How about he worry less about how the rest of the world sees him and worries a little more about Catholics. I dont care what he sits on or what its made out of. No one does. I dont care if he has a gold or silver ring. I dont

You should want to know how he is going to restore the church or not. Or if he will just ignore it all together and pretend like it is not a mess. Are child rapists NOT criminals under his rule? Will he NOT kick them the hell out just to "not hurt any ones feelings"?

ect..

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Indeed.

This is the sort of thing that reminds me of why obama was given noble peace prize, hailed a king based on promises and image. And look how deceitful that turned out to be, more people died under obama's rule then G.W bush's, more troops were send instead of the promise to bring them back, guantanamo is stil open, obamacare costs people more instead of less etc etc etc

But ,they seemed to come across like such nice people, lets like them for all the wrong unsubstantiated reasons but, feel good about ourselves nonetheless.


I will hold out on hyping this man up like the OP does until he actually shows where he stands instead of "seeming to stand".

Why would the Vatican, a corporation that rakes in billions, elect a Pope that would adversely affect their profit? They wouldn't! If this guy isn't going to go along with their plan he would have never been elected pope, plain and simple.

So what if he changed some furniture around? In my eyes he is only a puppet and I can't see any good coming from him or anyone else affiliated with the Vatican.

He's now the head of one of, if not THE most corrupt business(es) on Earth. If people honestly believe that he's somehow going to change everything around, they have another thing coming in my opinion.

It's the perfect set up, there's a guy that fits the prophecy perfectly with cardinal Peter, then they switch it up on us and pick another guy that's supposed to radically change everything for the better. I do believe that this guy is the so-called "antichrist", a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Don't be fooled!

reply to post by tadaman

I'm sorry to see your hostility to him. If he had started by demanding people crawl to approach him, kiss his feet, and provide 40 golden trumpets wherever he went, you and most, if not all, of ATS would condemn him.

He's known he would be Pope for what, a week or two? Has he made any missteps yet, in your mind? Have there been any policy announcements you disagree with? Can you not welcome him and hope and pray for his success?

Of course, if you see any and every Pope as misguided and hurtful, and the Church itself as wrong, then I can understand your position. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. Is that how you see the Church and the Papacy?

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You're saying some things that seem pretty confusing, help me understand.

Why would the Vatican, a corporation that rakes in billions, elect a Pope that would adversely affect their profit?

The Vatican's budget is around 300-325 million dollars a year, they don't get close to one billion, let alone billions.
Vatican budget

I do believe that this guy is the so-called "antichrist", a wolf in sheeps clothing.

A couple of questions. You mention that he is "the" Anti-Christ. What Biblical prophecies does he fulfill that leads you to believe that? Do you believe that he is the Anti-christ that heralds the timeline ending the world?

Why would the Vatican, a corporation that rakes in billions, elect a Pope that would adversely affect their profit?

Do you believe that the amount of donations to Rome is the main consideration for the Cardinals? Really? Why did they choose Benedict XVI then?

It's the perfect set up, there's a guy that fits the prophecy perfectly with cardinal Peter, then they switch it up on us and pick another guy that's supposed to radically change everything for the better

So, I guess the prophecy was no good then. And he's not expected to change everything for the better. He's expected to teach the truth of the Church that was received two millenia ago.

In my eyes he is only a puppet and I can't see any good coming from him or anyone else affiliated with the Vatican.

Now I get it, it's not Francis that you don't like. Any Pope, Bishop, or Priest is bad. that's seems a little extreme. Sorry, I can't go with you that far.

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what ever,

Exactly he has been pope for some DAYS now and you guys are getting all enamored with him because he does this little show.

Now you know how I feel. This MAN is just as corrupt as the others. What did you expect? Do you watch fox news and when a politician appears in a soup kitchen do you automatically drop your guard and say "oh well, that settles that".

please.

LOOK!


Bush loves babies....everyone, we were wrong, this guy kisses babies. Maybe he isnt a liar /blood gargling psychopath....

well that settles that. I saw the picture of the pope wearing a SILVER RING....wow, he must not like gold. HE has my vote. Hands down. Someone who doesnt like gold cant be an apologist for child rapers and mafiosos and everything else that has made the church rotten. He puts on such a great show, he cant be a liar.

You know the interests behind the papacy arent that big that someone WOULD lie about their intentions....its not THAT big of deal, he would break character at some point. Whats in it for him anyways?

I mean, he doesnt like gold...WOW...just wow....He must be God....!

Originally posted by tadaman

Exactly he has been pope for some DAYS now and you guys are getting all enamored with him because he does this little show.

I think that most people are taking his actions to date as a good sign. Nothing more, nothing less. Most reasoning people will evaluate him on the totality of his efforts. Is this the wrong approach?

Now you know how I feel. This MAN is just as corrupt as the others.

Do you have any evidence of this? At all? And you emphasize the word 'man' as if it is a refutation of the teachings of Catholicism that he is more than that. If that is your belief, you are mistaken. Every Catholic knows that the Pope is a man and a sinner and needs the Salvation of Christ.

He must be God....!

That's a nice straw man you have there. I don't mean to be belittling, but you might be better off trying to distance yourself from the histrionics if you want to have a rational discussion.

Eric

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Why would the Vatican, a corporation that rakes in billions, elect a Pope that would adversely affect their profit? They wouldn't! If this guy isn't going to go along with their plan he would have never been elected pope, plain and simple.

So what if he changed some furniture around? In my eyes he is only a puppet and I can't see any good coming from him or anyone else affiliated with the Vatican.

He's now the head of one of, if not THE most corrupt business(es) on Earth. If people honestly believe that he's somehow going to change everything around, they have another thing coming in my opinion.

It's the perfect set up, there's a guy that fits the prophecy perfectly with cardinal Peter, then they switch it up on us and pick another guy that's supposed to radically change everything for the better. I do believe that this guy is the so-called "antichrist", a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Don't be fooled!

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You are a very wise person.

Many should learn from what you say.

Only the smart , wise will survive these times.

The bible says that "even the elite will be deceived"

Well, looks like from a lot of these posts, it may go this route.

I wish you well and God bless

I'm glad he did that and to show equality even with his position. However, an agenda is a foot and I wonder is this a plan to make people give more to the church ?

Catholic Herald

Pope Francis rejects living in Papal Apartments (which are palace-like).
He instead will be living in the guest apartment in the guest house with
other Vatican employees. And he takes his meals in common with the Vatican employees.