Vatican Insider - Pope Francis replaces 'Throne of Peter' with simple chair

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SubAce
It is not my intention to hurt with the truth, ....

Dude ... you aren't 'hurting with the truth' ... because you aren't posting 'truth'. You are posting your own interpretation of scripture. That's fine and all, but claiming that the Jehovahs Witness' are the only ones who are 'geting it right' ... well .... that's just not the truth.

I'm not going to get into a scripture spitting contest with you.
I easily could. But this isn't the forum for it.

To quote you .... sorry, it is not my intention to hurt with the truth of that statement.
But .. the truth is the truth ... ya' know??

Okay that is good to know. I am used to people getting offended, and am glad you are not.

I too will not argue. It is improper to argue, especially about God's word.

It seems to me that the objection to Pope Francis is that he's Catholic. No one points to anything he's done and says, "That's bad."

I see people saying that the Catholic Church is bad, so he must be. I've also seen the complaint that he hasn't done anything to change the Church's teaching on women priests, gay marriage, and abortions.

All of the complaints so far can be summed up in the faintly whining protest "The Catholic Church doesn't have a Unitarian Universalist as a leader."

reply to post by FlyersFan


Doesn't matter. Some people will find fault with him no matter what he does.

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I knew that Jesuit heathen was going to do things like this.

I officially gave up on the Catholic church once he was chosen and I spent 5 minutes looking him up.

since then and many hours later after looking into him....I am just sick of it. Its a lost cause so I am moving on.

Personally I think the pope should wear simple brown robes. If he is to be the representation of Christ, he shouldn't be dressed in bling and all sorts living in golden castles. Just my thoughts on it. Not like I would listen to him then either..frankly, he could sell off the castles and such and live in a mud hut eating bugs and I would still think the whole thing a bit silly..but I give props for walking the walk.

Anyhow, I have no major issues with the guy..and I suspect he is doing what he believes in. People have weird belief, but his may inspire others to be a net positive for humanity.

Originally posted by MamaJ
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He sounds like the perfect deception to me.

Bringing him in and making the Vatican look different is actually expected especially in light of the recent past. The are just making it all look better when its in fact the same.

I'm hearing you.. Something doesn't seem right and I don't know what it is just yet.

reply to post by tadaman


I don't think it says anywhere in the book that none shall turn away from sin and be redeemed. however time will tell.

Originally posted by tadaman
I knew that Jesuit heathen was going to do things like this.

Things like what?? Simplify ... not wear all the traditional papal garb ... get rid of 'the throne' ... etc etc. How does doing these things make him a 'heathen'?? I thought he's off to a pretty good start in the 'clean up the church' area ...

Well I was never really "interested" in the pope (even with the last one from my hometown back in Germany)..but i very much liked the way how the new pope came out on the balcony and waved so humbly and casually, almost with a smirk on his face, like... "hi", sort of like thing

by the way...the last one wasn't bad a by long-shot...he was pretty good when he criticized "unregulated capitalism", no problem with that.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

He sounds like the perfect deception to me.

I'm hearing you.. Something doesn't seem right and I don't know what it is just yet.

I know what it is that doesn't sound right to you ... it's a western Catholic religious leader doing the right thing. And you expect him to do the wrong thing or to be 'evil' or something. I don't think your head can wrap around that he might actually be a good guy ...

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt .. while keeping my eyes open.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I know what it is that doesn't sound right to you ... it's a western Catholic religious leader doing the right thing. And you expect him to do the wrong thing or to be 'evil' or something. I don't think your head can wrap around that he might actually be a good guy ...

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt .. while keeping my eyes open.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now also but these Jesuits are not to be trusted.. Just like every other shadow society the have an oath to themselves and no-one else.

Having read the article and actually paid attention to the words that was spoken by the man and his view on faith the following can be stated:

Is this so bad that he is making changes to the Holy See and the actual Catholic Church from the top up? In this day and age, when so many leaders say one thing and yet show nothing to act on such, it is perhaps something that we should all pause and reflect on, when it comes to one person, one leader who things, believes and is actually taking the lead to mean what he says, and doing it, is that such a bad thing?

There has been so many speaking of the Catholic Church, with all of its scandles and all of the problems that this man has been elected to try to take leadership and ultimate, change and renew the church. In an age where people are without faith, where such is viewed as wrong, cause they look and see that the ministers and others live the life of luxury, and while so many live in virtual poverty, perhaps it is something that needs to take effect, a church where the ministers are not rich, but are poor and reflect such.

The new pope, he took the name of a Saint, who he views as being a good person, after Saint Francis of Assissi. And if he is willing to model the church after the teachings of the saint, then we should back him for it, and maybe see that the church might just stand for something once again, beyond the scandles that has racked it.

I really admire all of the gestures and changes that he is initiating. But I do worry that he will be seen as a threat to the institution of power and money that is the Vatican...I'm a bit afraid for him in that regard.

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Ha! The Pope and poor do not go hand in hand.

I can see why they chose him to be the Pope... many people will believe that he is a warrior for the church and bring goodness. Can one bring goodness to such a deceiving corporation?

At the very least, keep your eyes and ears open.

When everyone is fooled by this Pope, I hope I am not the only one left standing.

You can give him the benefit of doubt all day long but he is still just another puppet to the regime.

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I see it as a win win situation. The masses are starving for a real martyr. That kind of movement from that type of power is a game changer and changes the flow to the positive side. That in itself is his shield and only as a last grasp would they dare to strike at him. Jesus was very clear as to what happens to those that lose their life for his sake.

One thing that the dark side is not used to is faithful opposition resulting in beneficial actions. This guy from what i can tell is removing the plank in his own eye first.

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Can one bring goodness to such a deceiving corporation?

He knows that his actions will not unite the church. A house divided will not stand. The rock will crumble from within.

reply to post by deadeyedick


Well, it sounds good, and looks good, so it must be good?

Time tells all.

As a Pagan the 'Oxford Dictionary & Theasaurus' labels me as a [and I quote] 'godless ... irreligious ... heathen ... idolator [end quote] - (it's true check it out for yourself ) - so bearing that in mind my opinion probably doesn't hold much weight in this conversation ... but I'll voice it anyway.

Surely the Head Of The Catholic Church in the shape of the new Pope should be focusing on cleaning-up the depravities of the church he leads (of which there are many) ... instead of wasting time on his 'simple' clothes and furniture.

I'm sure the victims of abuse from the Catholic Church will be thrilled and comforted to see where his priorities lie

But hey ... what do I know I'm just a Pagan !!!

Woody

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That's true, it would be a more profound gesture if he order a top-down review of the Church and all of it's practices as well as the expulsion/excommunication of all accused of abuse or those shielding them from prosecution.

reply to post by FlyersFan


he is a revisionist, modernist, humanist liar. He is more concerned with face than faith.

What? the salvation of souls and everything we have had built up to now has to take a back seat to Marian worship and all that nonsense that just confuses priests into thinking their sexuality and their popularity somehow matter to Catholics and the faithful?

He is the type of pope to surrender the papal Tiara and his ring to political power and capitulate to power instead of remaining faithful to the lamb.

Thats why.

His kind desecrated countless thousands of churches and made Christ take a back seat to the worship of men instead of the worship of God.

Everything that made separatist movements within the church that found the catholic church in a state of schism.

restat sede vacante....thronum vacua manet