Family’s Home Raided over Facebook Photo of Child’s Rifle

Originally posted by Starchildren
Why oh why are people still using facebook?

It ALLOWES the non famous to feel famous . As far as the OP the parents assist in some kind of caption would of possibly prevented the issue.

Originally posted by thedigirati
wow, Just WOW, some of you saying "it was not prudent to post this pic on face book"


if you fear the Government, that is Tyranny.

By you OWN words you admit THIS government is Tyrannical

an yet you let it slide, WHY?

are you insane or something??


I will not and have not ever let something like this stand.

I refuse to own a facebook. I hate facebook and I think it's all bull. I don't feel the need to post what I'm doing in my life every moment of the day, nor do I feel the need to find out who is doing what all of the time either. Some things in life are not necessary and facebook to me, is a time waster.

As for fearing the government and what they find out about me, I'm pretty sure they can find out all about me from my time on ATS. It wouldn't take much. I don't feel a need to post photos of my guns, or photos of my daughter holding a rifle. That's just silly. What am I going to prove? Oops, I just said it.... that I have a gun. *waits*

reply to post by jjkenobi

The thing is, in some parts of the country, hunting and getting your LEGAL LICENSE to do so is a big deal. I don't think people should have photos on Facebook with guns, be it a child or an adult, where they are appearing to be acting in a reckless and irresponsible way. But from the sound of this story that was not the case.

In hindsight the Dad probably should have just said "Go get your search warrant." But that is easy for us to sit back and say when we weren't standing there with a bunch of law enforcement people at the door. I think it is sickening for our tax dollars to be used for this type of mess when we have people out there that have guns illegally. Kids walking around with illegally obtained assault weapons and handguns using them to resolve their disputes. While this father is at home with his son teaching him responsible gun safety, having him learn to shoot and requiring him to get a license before he goes out to hunt.

Our world is beyond crazy.

reply to post by Doodle19815


i bet they wouldve tased/shot him, and made up a reason..(he was reaching for a weapon) turned out to be his coffee cup though

Just ran across a slide photo of my first rifle received as a Christmas gift. . Not quite so fancy, just something to kill the critters that were a problem on our farm. I was age 6. I'd already had training in shooting at summer camp. Going to have to hide that photo, lest some over zealous jerk find it and say it was an assault weapon.

Then there are the photo's of me, a freshman, headed up the high school side-walk with that very same rifle, a box of ammo in my pocket. I'd put the gun and ammo in my locker, as did others. Then after school we would head to the basement for target practice.

I think I'm going to purchase a pick up truck, put a gun rack behind the seat and put some nice fake rifles back there. Probably get stopped a lot???

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by n00bUK

 

O.k ti was an overreaction callingFamily Services, but at least the caller cared enough to voice their concern.

More like a mentally challenged person that doesn't know their butt from a hole in the ground stuck their nose where it didn't belong.

What indicates that the child is being neglected or abused when you view the photo?

Nothing.

I suppose if you see a picture of a gun, you should call the police to report a murder? Again, only if you are mentally challenged.

I understand your point, thats why I said it was an overreaction. I was merley pointing out the fact the real problem lays with the Family Servies' over reaction.

And for people like me who don't know the difference between a Toy m16 or a real m16 from a picture, it would be a little bit concerning for me to see a child with a gun of any kind, let alone an assault rifle. .And you don;lt have to be mentaly challanged to come to this conclusion, not everybody was born into a life brainwashed that you need guns.

Nappen told Fox News the police wanted to inventory his firearms. “”We said no way, it’s not happening,” he said. “This is a guy who is completely credentialed and his son is also credentialed.”

From OP article

I didn't know you had to be "credentialed"to own or shoot a rifle? In this case,it is even better.

I don't even now were to start on this article, the whole thing is just wrong. The first glaring thing, were is the child abuse for this case? You can't be telling me it is the kid holding the rifle?

My father and all my friends dads' growing up would be in jail for pictures like that. We started with recurve bows, BB guns and .22 rifles,all with pictures


I didn't know a picture with a rifle is child abuse
Hopefully they get a lawsuit and win it...New Jersey..bah

reply to post by n00bUK

And for people like me who don't know the difference between a Toy m16 or a real m16 from a picture, it would be a little bit concerning for me to see a child with a gun of any kind, let alone an assault rifle. .And you don;lt have to be mentaly challanged to come to this conclusion, not everybody was born into a life brainwashed that you need guns.

I see where you are coming from.

I was raised in a rural area, and guns were a part of the culture. Not every person learned to shoot, but damned near all of the boys did, and at a young age. I don't see it as brainwashing in my case. On a farm, the animals that you ate were shot with a firearm (well, not the fowls... but cows, goats and pigs) and some species that were pests or dangerous to livestock were shot.

So I am a product of that culture and it is a culture that many in the US share. I don't believe that the photo in any way indicates that the child has been mistreated or neglected. Those are the criteria that need to be present for a person to alert child welfare authorities, in my opinion.

I am sorry if I offended you as a part of a culture clash. No offense was really intended, but please accept an apology for my post.

reply to post by Doodle19815


He would have been beat down, peppered sprayed and toss out on his ass.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by n00bUK

 

And for people like me who don't know the difference between a Toy m16 or a real m16 from a picture, it would be a little bit concerning for me to see a child with a gun of any kind, let alone an assault rifle. .And you don;lt have to be mentaly challanged to come to this conclusion, not everybody was born into a life brainwashed that you need guns.

I see where you are coming from.

I was raised in a rural area, and guns were a part of the culture. Not every person learned to shoot, but damned near all of the boys did, and at a young age. I don't see it as brainwashing in my case. On a farm, the animals that you ate were shot with a firearm (well, not the fowls... but cows, goats and pigs) and some species that were pests or dangerous to livestock were shot.

So I am a product of that culture and it is a culture that many in the US share. I don't believe that the photo in any way indicates that the child has been mistreated or neglected. Those are the criteria that need to be present for a person to alert child welfare authorities, in my opinion.

I am sorry if I offended you as a part of a culture clash. No offense was really intended, but please accept an apology for my post.

Don't be silly butcher, no apology needed. I'm as blunt as you when replying to people, I know how hard it is to come accross to people on here

Brainwashed was the wrong word. Words..Im # with words.

Culture, that it - Thats what I should of used. I'm ready for the next debate!

reply to post by jimmyx


So a .22 rimfire is an assault rifle now???

You know they make semi-auto pellet and BB guns, right? Should we ban them?

reply to post by 311DTOM


I'm waiting for the ban on "Assault" paintball rifles next. If it "looks scary", regardless of caliber or bullet type, it MUST be banned. After all, think of the children!
/sarc

reply to post by Krakatoa


Forgot about those scary paintball guns. We definitely need to get rid of these evil contraptions, after all some of them are, gasp, fully automatic!!!

reply to post by Krakatoa


This is the beginning. They are getting everyone to spy on everyone else. Remember the story line in 1984. You are being watched. This is how America will fall. A few more of these and people will say enough. Gun registration is just the beginning. Here we see, what 20 years ago would have been a non-issue is now a big deal. They are guaging America's response. Watch the Sheeple go oh that is Baaaahhd! Will real Patriots and Americans are going, Realy!!! should you be looking for real criminals! Get out of my house, go get your warrant, I will then see you in court, with a huge harassment civil suit to follow. This is absolutely disgusting, and if the guy had lived in Texas it would have been a non-issue.

I think the Facebook Photo is just an escuse to search the home.
but they failed to fined what they ware looking for.
and the have a good cop'out.

reply to post by mantarey


Careful talking about "real patriots", they are considered potential terrorist, and with indefinite detention a possible outcome the term is going to become scarce and taboo.

I'm going to play devil's advocate with this one and say the guy was asking for trouble when he post the picture on Facebook.

Originally posted by jimmyx
the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments are not absolute....

Senator Durbin, is that you?

seriously...the raid was uncalled for...if there is an allegation of abuse or mistreatment of a minor, DFS is supposed to investigate..if it is found that there is abuse taking place, THEN you get the police involved.

however, anyone with a lick of common sense can see there is NOTHING about that picture that would in any way imply any kind of abuse is happening in that household...

the child is wearing clean clothes, appears to have showered, does not look unhappy, does not appear malnourished, does not have any visible bruises, contusions, or other wounds, child is exercising proper trigger discipline on his weapon....i see nothing here that would constitute cause for concern for any sensible adult.

Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

Take their stupid policies and pre-crime nonsense and smother them dead with it.

I've honestly thought about doing just that.

Call and report people for terrorism; the phonebook works nicely.

People will eventually get fed up with the stupidity.

I agree that while it sounds like fun it would just be downright nasty to mess with the lives of people we don't even know. It would create a "the boy who cried wolf" mindset in the powers that be, in the end a lot of children would probably be adversely affected by it. But we can still think it, just not act on it.

Originally posted by n00bUK
O.k ti was an overreaction callingFamily Services, but at least the caller cared enough

edit on 20-3-2013 by n00bUK because: (no reason given)

About what? Riding the anti gun bandwagon while once more (ab)using children to justify it?

Im sure the kid has rosey dreams and memories about the whole event now...