Is it possible to be a Christian and a believer in Islam?

reply to post by SpiritofEnoch


As an agnostic, I can't compare Jesus and Muhammad. Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek while Muhammad conquered, in defense or not he still took Mecca by the sword.

Jesus is a far superior spokesmen for peace, followers not included.

No hate intended in the post btw, just my opinion

Originally posted by DarknStormy
What part of the Bible actually tells you that Jesus is God? Can someone point it out?

There are actually a bunch of threads on this in this forum.
The Christians point it out. The Muslims deflect.
Lots of back and forth.

This will get you started ...
Bible Quotes ... Jesus is God
BIble Verses Showing Jesus is Divine
More .. Jesus is God

Don't forget .. the angels of heaven worshipped Jesus.
Angels worship God alone. Jesus is God Incarnate according to the Christian bible.

A simple google search ... bible quotes Jesus is God ... or Jesus is God Incarnate ...
lots and lots and lots of quotes as well as statements from the very early church
fathers that Jesus is God Incarnate.

reply to post by SpiritofEnoch


In the new movie "The Life of Pi", the main character becomes a hindu, a christian, and some third religion simultaneously. He proceeds to tell a story to someone who does not believe in God, so that they may believe in God. At the end, he tells a second story that is similar but with different people, and asks the listener which story he prefers. The listener prefers the first story with animals as the characters instead of the people, the fundamentals of the story stay the same. So is the belief in God, whichever you prefer is right for you, the fundamentals will always stay the same regardless of which story you choose to believe.

Originally posted by JDmOKI
reply to post by SpiritofEnoch

 

As an agnostic, I can't compare Jesus and Muhammad. Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek while Muhammad conquered, in defense or not he still took Mecca by the sword.

Jesus is a far superior spokesmen for peace, followers not included.

No hate intended in the post btw, just my opinion

Check this out..



Wheres the Wests golden mean point on the planet?

reply to post by FlyersFan


So if Islam is worthless, how the hell does this occur in Saudi Arabia?

Like many others in this thread, I will answer no. Jesus is the Son of God. Mohammed claimed to be a prophet. And looking at both messages from the Torah, through the New Testament, God has a clear character of wanting pursuit and love of His people.

I don't believe the same can be said of Allah in the Koran.

So, No. If you are truly a Christian-you cannot be a Muslim.

Originally posted by JDmOKI
reply to post by SpiritofEnoch

 

As an agnostic, I can't compare Jesus and Muhammad. Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek while Muhammad conquered, in defense or not he still took Mecca by the sword.

Jesus is a far superior spokesmen for peace, followers not included.

No hate intended in the post btw, just my opinion

Just to be fair, do you know about Muhammad pbuh as much as you have been told about Jesus pbuh or you just believe whatever is said as it doesnt concern you either way and then you make an opinion?

Jesus- about 3 years of ministry and preaching about God and peace.

Muhammad- 13 years of preaching in peace and suffered persecution till followers started to be killed. Then the migration to Medina and 10-11 years of running a state and defending it and finally claiming back Makkah without a fight and no revenge.

I doubt Jesus pbuh would have lasted even 3 years if he had told the romans that their gods are false like Muhammad pbuh said to the Makkan pagan chiefs. Who tried to kill him and destroy the new faith after that by economic sanctions and wars till the muslim conquest of Makkah.

Take a walk, find yourself and live for a bit and enjoy everyday. God is with you, for if someone is to find himself he must first suffer and take up the burdens of everyday life on his/her shoulders. He who has made it through the dark times of his life has gained the light of truth and will be amazed how simple the answer is.

Peace be onto you, SpiritofEnoch,

In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, peace, blessings and salutations be sent upon the one who was sent as a mercy to Mankind, the most selfless and perfect of men, the final Messenger sent to humanity from the Almighty Allah, Mohammad.

I would like to first of all congratulate you on YOUR journey towards the absolute truth, may the Almighty continue to enlighten you and teach you that which will only benefit you. Secondly, as most likely mentioned above, it is not possible for one to be "christian" and have the belief of being a Muslim as well. Yes, the two Prophets exist and are recognized in Islam, and as Muslims we do believe in Jesus' (peace be upon him) ORIGINAL message, calling towards the Oneness of the Almighty, but the prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was the FINAL messenger (coming after Jesus (peace be upon him)), serving the purpose of delivering the final religion before the end of times. Something to note, when I say "final" religion, I mean the final template of life that will exist before the end of times and the Day of Judgement manifests.

As to your questions about God having a son, I would like to ask you this. If I gave you paper that had a specific personal description of someone that contained lets say, 8 points, and I brought to you a person who fits all but one of those points.. is this the same person? Of course not, right? So using this analogy, we know that the Almighty God is infinite, He is free from all needs, He holds the absolute will, not one leaf can fall without the Almighty wiling it to happen, He begets nor he begottens, He has no partners, he is the One. How can an infinite being have a son? He is alone, with no partners and does not need anything of such, he is the Self-Sufficient (these are from all the 99 names of Allah). Sure, we can take the Father and Son concept from a metaphorical stance, and say that as creations, and such a righteous creation like Jesus (peace be upon him) has a relationship with the Almighty that is similar that which you would attribute to a Father-Son relationship, but saying one is the physical son of the other? God is Immaterial, Jesus was a soul, just like everyone else who manifested in a Material body.

I hope this answers your questions my friends, if I said anything good and beneficial, then indeed this was from the Almighty, if I have said anything wrong and bad, then this is indeed from Satan, and I apologize. You are an intelligent man, you desire the absolute truth and you are continuing to search on your OWN, you are destined for greatness my friend, and you have alreadystarted to tread on the path. Don't let any of these crude responses bend your path towards truth. A lot of people here are talking from a perspective of personal opinion, not using scripture and or knowledge taught by those who actually studied this - we all think we know something, but indeed it is when we realize that we truly know nothing.. we begin to know something. Keep sailing my friend, I would like to end with a Surah Al-Ikhlas, Chapter 112 from the Holy Quran

112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Qul huwa Allahu ahadun

112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
Allahu alssamadu

112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
Lam yalid walam yooladu

112:4 And there is none like unto Him.
Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahadun


Peace be onto you, SpiritofEnoch

reply to post by logical7


So Muhammad lacked the foresight needed to stop the needless killings that resulted in his decisions? I can't even imagine Jesus wielding a sword against the Romans, that would contradict everything he taught.

reply to post by Woodhouse

I don't believe the same can be said of Allah in the Koran.

is it possible that this is because you don't know what Qur'an says?

Also Allah is the same One God, tune in to any arabic christian radio station and listen what word they use for God.

reply to post by S33keroftruth


Yes, I agree I know nothing and claim no religion and let the rest sort it out through through needless wars and bombing of their fellow man. In the name of the religion which they were born into and/or adopted.

I'm agnostic and i know what is right or wrong and if there is a God this is not needed through religion and is God's greatest gift to man kind. Too often do people use religion to set their own agenda or righteous ideals, most often through the tip of a spear (or machine guns). If I go to hell for living by the "golden rule", SO BE IT!


To my own self, be true.

Originally posted by JDmOKI
reply to post by logical7

 

So Muhammad lacked the foresight needed to stop the needless killings that resulted in his decisions? I can't even imagine Jesus wielding a sword against the Romans, that would contradict everything he taught.

so you mean he shouldnt have had freedom of religion because some tyrants would not like it?
Would you do the same as you judge him? Then keep your agnostic belief hidden and look and act like a christian!!

Well Jesus pbuh asked in NT to buy swords and in his 2nd coming he'l not be that shy to use it.

reply to post by logical7


What Christian ever kept hidden their faith as an agnostic?

I'm assuming you are calling Jesus a liar and claim the whole "turn the other cheek" was a ruse to provoke future war?

reply to post by logical7


Out of curiosity.

If Jesus was in Muhammad's shoes, would he had taken Mecca in the same way or at all?

reply to post by JDmOKI

Yes, I agree I know nothing and claim no religion and let the rest sort it out through through needless wars and bombing of their fellow man. In the name of the religion which they were born into and/or adopted.

are you suggesting that the wars that are going on now are due to religions? Do you really believe that? I don't see any conversions, i do see corporations draining the natural resources from those places and selling those people burgers, coke and porn!!
Every place that has untapped resources miraculously becomes a safe haven for Al-Qaeda.
then the army of 'peacekeepers' attacks and kills hundreds of thousands innocents in 'collateral' damage and Al-Qaeda runs away!
Then the 'peacekeepers' 'help' rebuild. I have not seen better humans then them!!

Originally posted by DarknStormy
So if Islam is worthless, how the hell does this occur in Saudi Arabia?

how does what work? That video? Seen it.
1.618. etc So what? Someone played with numerology.
That doesn't mean that Muhammad was anything other
than an admitted thief and a murderer of political opponents.

I'm not following what you think is such a big deal with that youtube.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Its based on no facts and is purely intended to rally faith in Muslims. I don't understand why this holy place is not mentioned in any New or Old testament writings, yet conveniently is a great sphere of influence for a capital of a newly formed nation/religion.

It seems like this place was used for personal, ambitious goals.

note- I'm not hating/trolling, just wanting to have a conversation and respect any Muslims right to their beliefs and opinions.

Originally posted by JDmOKI
reply to post by logical7

 

What Christian ever kept hidden their faith as an agnostic?

what do you mean? Do you think christians under romans were completely peaceful?

I'm assuming you are calling Jesus a liar and claim the whole "turn the other cheek" was a ruse to provoke future war?

well i agree with "turn the other cheek"
tell me what to do when someone points a gun?
Tell him to wait till you paint a target on yourself!!

The zealot jews wanted an armed uprising and Jesus pbuh refused as that was meant for the 2nd coming. Jews already had a law about even fighting, defending etc. He just calmed them down a bit.

reply to post by logical7


I'm not speaking of current politics and the religious rhetoric that is included in these present wars, that is off topic for the thread.

Im speaking of the history of war in relation to religious zealots. No religion is guilt free in this subject.