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Originally posted by mbkennel
Originally posted by 727Sky
No, FTL speed is not the same as air travel, but, If we ever figure out a sure fire way of decreasing and objects mass through some type of force field to the point of negative mass then 17,000 mph 90 degree turns when just out joy riding would just be a normal thing to do while eating your crew meal.
Suppose it were possible to do this, i.e. modify inertia. It would make intercontinental air and cargo traffic faster and cheaper. Military aircraft would have immense capability. ICBM's could be stupendously scary, hide them in a large garage.
It still would be impossible to travel FTL, and even near light-speed travel would be extraordinarily hazardous requiring immense additional breakthroughs. Just the blueshifted radiation would be insanely dangerous, random hydrogen atoms would induce massive biological damage, and a tiny bit of dust could obliterate the spacecraft.
edit on 24-3-2013 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by mbkennel
Originally posted by 727Sky
No, FTL speed is not the same as air travel, but, If we ever figure out a sure fire way of decreasing and objects mass through some type of force field to the point of negative mass then 17,000 mph 90 degree turns when just out joy riding would just be a normal thing to do while eating your crew meal.
Suppose it were possible to do this, i.e. modify inertia. It would make intercontinental air and cargo traffic faster and cheaper. Military aircraft would have immense capability. ICBM's could be stupendously scary, hide them in a large garage.
It still would be impossible to travel FTL, and even near light-speed travel would be extraordinarily hazardous requiring immense additional breakthroughs. Just the blueshifted radiation would be insanely dangerous, random hydrogen atoms would induce massive biological damage, and a tiny bit of dust could obliterate the spacecraft.
edit on 24-3-2013 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ImpactoR
reply to post by Harte
And again this is from completely human point of view and once again the mistake that they have to be travelling, what if they have hyperspace, teleport, stargate, dimensions, can put their body into some state? Science fiction much? Well, that's what it it is and conclusions until one knows what kind of things exist and what not are WRONG. Wrong WRONG!!!
Originally posted by Basqiat
I find the OP very biased, closed minded and arrogant.
Originally posted by BasqiatI'll try not to sound like the rest by comparing how similar people like you said certain things in the past which were proven wrong in our present times. Although its a solid argument on its own, I'll try a different approach. You claim that the difference between scientists few centuries ago and scientists today is that we have a lot more thorough, solid, understanding of things (they thought that way back then too, but .. nevermind), especially in the filed of physics/astrophysics.
Originally posted by BasqiatIt depends on how you view these 'laws' that you keep bring up as your strongest argument. What is a law actually? Is it an impenetrable barrier? Uncircumventable constant? A 'fail-safe' of some sort?
Originally posted by BasqiatThere are observed phenomena that defy these laws (like some quasars shooting energy several times the speed of light). Also, in the case you pull that "that could be a result of faulty observation and perception"-card, I'll remind you of the quantum world. Common physics is at odds with whats going on on the quantum level. A particle being capable to exist at two places at the same or two particles co-existing in the same time, at the same point in space (and many, many other very mind-boggling things). Quantum entanglement offers possibilities of FTL communication. If FTL communication is possible, I don't see how the door can be without any doubt closed for FTL travel.
Originally posted by BasqiatWe limit ourselves only by the limits we impose on each other. And this is exactly that. This is not a case of 'laws-shmaws-we'll-get-there-its-a-matter-of-time-thing'. Its a better understanding and open thinking about this that may get us close to solving this problem, or solve it entirely, whoknows? If every single intellectual thought the way you did, when stumbling across something thought to be impossible at the time, we wouldn't have even budged from the Stone Age stage. And your skeptical attitude doesn't help at all with this.
Originally posted by BasqiatThe problem is, we think too linear, too one-dimensional. That's why facts are at odds with each other sometimes in science, because our interpretation is faulty, and the directions these models take are in two different sides, and cannot be unified. The most gracious attempt at solving this problem that I have seen today in physics is the M-theory, or theory of everything, or the unified filed theory. We'll see how far we go with that, maybe it will be the "Amen" moment we waited for, maybe we are going wrong about it again, as we have in some many instances before.
You also seem to have adopted a certain viewpoint, and you use only the available facts and accepted notions to argument it for real. Its the same bad logic many argue when it comes to the Fermi paradox (the big silence, no registered activity, no official contact, age of the universe, star birthrate, available planets, bio-challenges for life to emerge, etc.), while the same can be used to feed argument fuel to the opposite side of the same topic.
The Transitional Quantum State It consists of a vibrating Bose condensate. The vibration of a Bose condensate at this dimensional frequency of 1.094 megahertz-meters appears to increase the strength of the phonons that bind the condensate. This increased strength invites nuclear participation. Superconductors and proton conductors can be externally vibrated to harness the effect. This new understanding of the process of the quantum transition may allow a multi-bodied macroscopic object to be placed into a state of quantum transition. Trillions of atoms may be enjoined within a single state of quantum transition. Strong gravitational and long-range nuclear effects will be produced. The long-range nuclear effects may be used for the production of energy and the reduction of nuclear waste. The strong gravitational effects may be used for propulsion.
Likewise if anyone else out there can or has come here, they'll stay fairly mum about it. (At least not intentionally and overtly letting us know.) The "Prime Directive" as Roddenberry described it makes logical sense. We're supposed to figure it out ourselves. Untill we do, we're not their peers yet but just another interesting critter to be left alone in its habitat floating about in the cosmic zoo.
Originally posted by 727Sky
Baby steps:
Dr. Eugene Podkletnov worked at a Laboratory in Finland specializing in Superconductor research. While working there as a scientist he mastered the technique of making very large diameter Superconductor Discs. While experimenting with a 30.4cm disc stimulated at 3 MHz he noticed a gravitational anomaly appeared. Podkletnov published his results, which have since been confirmed by the European Space Agency, and NASA. Boeing Aerospace even showed their interest in the effect.
It doesn't do your position any justice using a well-known pseudo-scientist whose results cannot be independently verified despite many desperate attempts.
Originally posted by Diablos
A more plausible explanation for why lifeforms do not make contact is because interstellar travel is truly impossible. This is consistent with the current school of thought that there may be many civilizations out there in the galaxy, but they are all "trapped" in their respective solar systems.
Originally posted by DiablosThis is also the most considered solution to Fermi's paradox based on current knowledge. It would explain why we have yet to see any shred of evidence of an "interstellar empire".
Why is it wrong? Because we absolutely would have seen evidence of ETs by now?
Okay, arrogance seem to be a common trait here I see, among the know-it-alls.
There is no logic to assume that if ETs are plentiful, and are not here, or is there any evidence that they are here, or around, that they must have been stuck on their planets and don't even attempt at reaching other star systems. Its as ridiculous as expecting ants or fish to know that we exist just because we are in their proximity and observing them.
And yeah, if you don't like the amount of characters I use, then don't reply to me, its that simple. I'm not obliged to cut down what I have to say for any of you.