Rachel Corrie's Parents Call for Justice in Palestine on 10th Anniversary of Death

I cant believe how many of you are forgetting what it means to stand up for what you believe in.
And to have the courage to die for that belief.

A lot of the post in this thread are disrespectful,immature,some even psychotic.

Rachel is a fantastic example of Courage and and should be remembered for trying to do what most of us are too yellow bellied to even think about doing.

She stood for her belief and gave her life for it.
She is the person i wish i had the courage to be.
R.I.P Rachel

Originally posted by xXSvenXx
I cant believe how many of you are forgetting what it means to stand up for what you believe in.
And to have the courage to die for that belief.

A lot of the post in this thread are disrespectful,immature,some even psychotic.

Rachel is a fantastic example of Courage and and should be remembered for trying to do what most of us are too yellow bellied to even think about doing.

She stood for her belief and gave her life for it.
She is the person i wish i had the courage to be.
R.I.P Rachel

you should talk to some jihadists then with your mentality!

reply to post by mtlcruisin


You lost me what do jihadist have to do with Rachel?
She didnt kill anyone for her belief.
She sacrificed herself for it.
Harming no one but herself.

reply to post by boymonkey74


If you are going to act stupidly then you will likely suffer the consequences.

There wasnt enough here in the US to demonstrate against that one would choose to demonstrate on behalf of a people that teach their children to blow themselves up? A fitting end, I say.

Originally posted by xXSvenXx
reply to post by mtlcruisin

 

You lost me what do jihadist have to do with Rachel?
She didnt kill anyone for her belief.
She sacrificed herself for it.
Harming no one but herself.

They also believe they are doing the right thing and are willing to die for it. Doesn't make them smart or 'courageous'. Just because you believe you are doing the right thing, doesn't necessarily mean you really are. There's a fine line between courageous and stupid, this was more on the stupid part.

reply to post by purplemer


That was risk, guys are very dangerous, brave death

Let's see...support the PLO terrorist organization and you get published, but write something about the Mexican invasion and it gets deleted???
After having been in the Middle East off and on for the last 25 years, I have not found a single good thing to support that concerns the PLO (Arafat was a pedophile, among other things), HAMAS or Hezbolah. What I do find is that if you support one of them, you are generally anti-Semitic.

reply to post by phillyhemp


You do realize that the "Synagogue of Satan" in those verses referred to a group of people back in AD 95 and not to a group of people 2000 years later, right? The Church at Syrmna would have had no idea what was being talked about if the referent was still yet to come.

The synagogue of Satan were Jews that were only Jews outwardly; you know, the Pharisees.

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This is about conviction and courage. If more people acted like she did half the crap we have to endure as humans would disappear overnight.

reply to post by daveinats


No not anti-Semitic maybe anti Zionism. They are two different things.

reply to post by mtlcruisin


There are fundamental differences between a jihadists and a peaceful protester. Last time I checked peaceful protesters did not go around killing people...

reply to post by purplemer



I believe in personal responsibility if you put your life in the hands of someone then it is your own damn fault. If her cause was worth it then stop whining about justice. She died as she wanted.


I am 100% sure that both sides lie about what happened for their cause. I am willing to bet that what really ahppened is that they told her to get out of the way she didn't then ended up dead.

that is what happens when you are not careful around heavy machinery. This is a classic case of stupid people colliding


A few things to think about... she didn't have to be there.. she didn't have to stand there.. she didn't have to tackly the problem the way she did. It cost her her life and NOTHING came of it. dumb dumb person tragic but dumb.

reply to post by purplemer
When this incident was reported, a major international investigation occured, as you might imagine. The finding absolved the driver of any responsibilty, as he was surrounded by a metal framwork that was inplace for sniper fire ect. The resulting independant conclusion was, it was a unfortunate accident, but not the drivers fault. As to the Corries call for a day of remeberance, I suggest we all hold a pancake breakfast to commerate rachaels demise and really bad choice.

I wouldn't stand in frontof a bulldozer being driven by my best friend much less IDF . Sorry but this girl wasn'tcourageous , she was stupid naiveand suicidal .

reply to post by SlasherOfVeils


I have stood infront and locked myself onto heavy plant before and I do not in any way feel suicidal.

Originally posted by schuyler
What was the bulldozer doing? Knocking down a house that sheltered a tunnel by which explosives were delivered to Israel which were then used to blow up school busses full of children.

That's interesting.

Can you show something to support that claim?
Is there any evidence to support the alleged fact that the house of this pharmacist was being used to smuggle explosives?

I thought the claim was that the house was being used by Palestinian fighters to attack Israeli troops not smuggle explosives in a tunnel to help blow up children.

As far as the reasons behind this alleged accident, I've only read the defense of this action by the IDF as being that the driver of the Caterpillar D9 could not see her, and they produced a video to back that claim up. They DID acknowledge though that standard protocol requires that the driver of the vehicle be guided to its targets by an official operator (like those guys in the street with the flags and stop signs during construction) specifically because the field of vision is so terribly limited. Otherwise there would be so many potential accidents you could never get anything done at all.

Oddly enough this military regulation was not followed at all in this particular instance yet the driver was absolved of any responsibility in Corries death. Even if they were there to demolish a home that was allegedly hiding a tunnel, protocol was not followed and someone died because of it.

If it was a mistake due to gross negligence and the fact that IDF military protocol was blatantly ignored, I'm still surprised it was merely dismissed.

When operating such demolition vehicles you don't just plow ahead without seeing where you are going. Especially if there are known protestors and a family in the area protesting the demolition itself. That and the fact that the soldiers were admittedly told not to harm the protestors in the "Philadelphia Axis", and this act is 'negligence' at the very least.

Even in the States we have to at least arrest a tree-hugger chained to a tree, and not just start cutting through them as if they were a Douglas Fir just to get the job done.

That's just beyond reckless.



- Lee

While I'm grateful to have learned of Rachel's story, I can't say I'll be participating much in these "discussions" in the future. There seems to be very little actually up for discussion, regardless of what side one is on.

For those who may want more facts about what happened to Rachel, along with relevant sources, I found an interesting link:

Rachel Corrie: Myths and Facts

Originally posted by schuyler
Rachel Carrie is the perfect example of the Darwin Theory. You do something stupid, you die. You take yourself out of the gene pool. She stood in front of a military bulldozer during a military operation thinking her presence alone was enough to stop it. What was the bulldozer doing? Knocking down a house that sheltered a tunnel by which explosives were delivered to Israel which were then used to blow up school busses full of children.

There is justice in the world. Rachel Carrie is dead.

Yes clearly this is true justified to kill because genetically superior of the line of Abraham. Cause that's what this is all about isn't it? Genetic superiority? The master race given this land by God as written in a book that in no way could have been tampered with by man. (Sarcasm) Darwin would agree?
Your tunnel assertion is based on propaganda. You have provided no evidence. Just another brick in the wall that divides humans.
Thou Shalt not kill. (Theres no clause in that its a simple rule.)

Seriously on the top of the list of ignorant comments made on ATS.

Rachel is a true hero while you sir shall be forgotten by the fog of time. Her stand and sacrifice will live on long after you and yours have turned to dust. Because that's what hero's do.

reply to post by Wyeldfire


From your link

MYTH: Rachel Corrie was killed while preventing the Israeli Army from destroying arms smuggling tunnels used by terrorists.

FACT: Rachel was standing in front of the home of friends – pharmacist Samir Nasrallah, his brother Khaled Nasrallah, and their wives and children. The Israeli government has never accused Samir or Khaled Nasrallah or their wives or children of links to terrorism. The Israeli army has never claimed that the Nasrallah home hid a weapons smuggling tunnel.

Khaled Nasrallah and his wife and child came to the US in June 2005 to join Rachel’s parents, Cindy and Craig Corrie, for a speaking tour. Reporting on the tour, the Jewish Journal explained that, “The IDF did not respond to a question about whether the Nasrallahs had ever been suspected or accused of any illegal activities. However, family members were not judged a threat by U.S. customs officials, who allowed the Nasrallahs to enter this country.” The US consulate conducts a security check with Israeli intelligence before granting Palestinians visas. The Israeli Government permitted the Nasrallahs to travel unescorted to Tel Aviv for the purpose of applying for U.S. visas, a courtesy unlikely to be granted to those posing any threat.

Okay, thanks for that information.

I wasn't sure if the 'tunnel claim' was something new, but it was the first time I'd heard it and I couldn't find anything factual to support the claim that the family were involved with terrorism at all.

Surprisingly as the quote mentions, they were allowed to enter the Tel Aviv and United States. That would have been a bizarre move to allow terrorists that much access and freedom of international movement.

It does make sense though because from the photos I've seen, they don't appear to be particularly concerned about the family as a security risk at all, nor were any of them arrested as far as I knew for collaborating with terrorists that planned to blow up targets in Israel.



They're all still free, were allowed to travel to Israel AND the U.S., and even had their home rebuilt through donations.

This tunnel claim is as dubious as the terrorist one.

Schuyler, you should know better.

- Lee

reply to post by purplemer


May Rachel rest in peace. And hopefully her death will not have been in vain... I am sure many of us could learn a thing or two from it.