Man kills self in front of children at Bellevue gun-safety class

Tell my government to stop arming cartels and rebels; and while we're at it tell them to stop drone-striking people all over the world.

I'm sorry that there are crazy people that live in my country but those don't mean lab-abiding citizens should have to suffer because of other people's mistakes.

Oh, and about gun laws. Look at New York, or Chicago, or even the UK. Criminals don't follow laws, and it's been shown that gun violence hasn't "exploded" like the mainstream media would like you to believe. Look at how many people are killed by guns everyday, now think of how many deaths by firearms aren't even reported/uncovered.

Before man invented guns, man was still killing man. Quit acting like you have the hinge locked down on 'gun control' because you keep on reading about it and are saddened about it. I'm saddened by the mere amount of people that are killed for empire, yet I suppose our cherry-picking reporting of BS news coverage that make sweeping generalizations in nearly EVERY aspect is more logical.

Guns are not the problem, people are. If someone wants to kill someone, they will do it, a gun is just a tool to facilitate the means to their end. Same idea of a knife, a bat, anything, really. Get real.

Originally posted by fluff007
reply to post by Osiris1953

 

The gun is never really the issue. A gun is a tool. A gun cannot fire itself. It is the person holding the gun that matters...

How very true the above sentiment is. I also understand that you are anti-gun which I can understand, and though I personally have no desire to own or fire a gun..... much more into blades of any type personally, I do feel that people have the right to own them.

As long as guns are in the world, the governments and the criminals will be armed in this manner, so I think we should have the right to bear arms as well.

With that said, the problems in this country are more mental health based than anything else, and I think most can agree on this point. Whether you agree with gun ownership or not, this needs to be addressed first and foremost. Maybe a healthcare system overhaul should worry about providing free/affordable mental help as opposed to the confusing mess which is Obamacare. Just a thought.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Yes. Why should he not rest in peace. He was obviously a troubled soul with nowhere to go. At this point there is no info about the man and his prior behaviour or mental health.

Until you have walked a mile in his shoes you should not be so quick to judge. I agree the way he went about his suicide was not right at all. I feel sorry for the kids and the adults.

I know it is not the gun. It is the person holding that gun. A gun is a tool. But surely people cannot just walk into these things and pick up a gun without anyone noticing what kind of behaviour the are showing...

reply to post by newsoul


I have not said anything about banning guns... Or windows for that matter.

reply to post by Osiris1953

I highly doubt he had politics on his mind while taking his own life.

He had a one track mind.... suicide.... yet you think he was trying to become a martyr for the liberals.

Really?

People take/sacrifice their own lives over a "CAUSE" everyday! Are you saying Progressives are exempt from that kind of behavior???

reply to post by fluff007


And what exactly do you have in mind for trying to stop things like this happening again.
how about start creating a better world,with plenty for all not to stress about. real oportunity of education,living standards and the likes in these areas vital to human. my opology,i missread you,and your position about guns is respected.

dont blame the gun, its NEVER the guns fault.

accidents -> caused my people
purposeful shooting -> caused by people
jumping out of windows -> caused by people

reply to post by slapjacks


I never said it would.. I think that the real issue here is the mental health of people like this man who do these crazy things. And why they are committing suicide in the first place.

No one should become so low they feel they need to end their life. In this day and age it just should not be happening. But not everyone can get help.

When I read the title of this thread, I thought it was saying that this disturbed man killed himself in front of his children! There is a huge amount of anger I have for people who have children and kill themselves - let alone the disgustingness of doing it in front of them. It's bad enough that your kids might find you dead like that but in front of them.

Still, even though I misunderstood the title - this is still incredibly disgusting. If you really have to go there, don't make it a spectacle that might screw up a kid for life. No child needs to see anything like that.

But if there is a silver lining here it's that at least he didn't try to take anyone with him like other POS suicides do.

Originally posted by fluff007
reply to post by slapjacks

 

I never said it would.. I think that the real issue here is the mental health of people like this man who do these crazy things. And why they are committing suicide in the first place.

No one should become so low they feel they need to end their life. In this day and age it just should not be happening. But not everyone can get help.

Exactly, some people are"stupid"

In this day and age, it is still happening. It'll happen tomorrow and the day after that, and the day after that day.

It'll never stop.

Who's to blame? That's the real game here.

reply to post by slapjacks


I am finding difficulty wondering who really is to blame. It is hard to put the blame on one specific thing or person. Everyone is different, and everyone deals with things in their own way, which most see as the right way..

I cannot say to you who is to blame. Have you got an idea yourself..

It might stop one day. One day we may realise that ending our lives helps no one including ourselves. Apart from the government and TPTB. They could not care less if an en masse suicide was to occur worldwide..

reply to post by seeker1963


Is it beyond the realm of possibility? No.

Is it likely that he took his life for as a political statement? Not very likely.

You do realize that progressive is a positive word right? The use of it as a derogatory political label is downright ignorant. Progress, which is the root word here, as in to advance or develop, is the reason you are not living in a hunter/gatherer society or residing in a cave. So go ahead and use this fallacious label if you'd like... but just know that since you oppose people you deem progressive, logically that makes you, by your own admission a Regressive. Good luck with that.

Long story short... not EVERYTHING is related to politics.

Originally posted by fluff007
reply to post by slapjacks

 

I am finding difficulty wondering who really is to blame. It is hard to put the blame on one specific thing or person. Everyone is different, and everyone deals with things in their own way, which most see as the right way..

It's madness.

Originally posted by fluff007
reply to post by slapjacks

 

I cannot say to you who is to blame. Have you got an idea yourself..

That was somewhat rhetorical.

Originally posted by fluff007
reply to post by slapjacks

 

It might stop one day. One day we may realise that ending our lives helps no one including ourselves. Apart from the government and TPTB. They could not care less if an en masse suicide was to occur worldwide..

Agreed... One day...

reply to post by fluff007


What is wrong with America?

At what point is America responsible for the actions of this individual? If anything he proved the the futility of the idotic gun control groups.

Guns do NOT kill people, no more than a car kills a person - the person pulling the trigger / driving drunk is the one who kills.

More people die each year from cigarette smoking than they do by gun violence... Why are we not seeing the same people who are against guns going after cigarette makers?

Is this a tragedy - absolutely as the loss of any human life will be.

A criminal is a person who violates the law. They cannot be arrested, charge or convicted until a violation of the law occurs. We do not have th e department of future crimes, and nor should we.

reply to post by fluff007

In a case like this especially, I do tend to judge people before even trying on their shoes. Obviously, no one comes back from that mile walk.

I judge people by their actions though and motivation is a consideration but never excuse. If he'd jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and made a splash the kids couldn't witness all the broken bones and other damage in ...I'd wonder about his tortured soul.

It remains though, his last act, however tortured he may have been, was to insure others were equally or more so. I'm sure he succeeded, too.

Now to my Faith and belief system, suicide is flat out unthinkable anyway. Never an option. Ever. Really..EVER. Getting beyond the concept of karmic prices to be paid for the act itself though, I'd say he hit the 'Pearly Gates' with a debt no Soul can settle by how and where he did it. He's cooked, wherever he wound up, IMO.

I'm sure most everyone has seen the video of the police officer that shoots himself in the leg/foot while instructing a classroom full of students about gun safety.

I understand that guns by themselves don't kill people but the potential for a gun held by a person to kill someone is much greater than the potential of someone holding a knife. When was the last time you heard of someone being killed by a knife while they were cleaning it. That sad old expression; 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' is true to a degree but the potential danger is much greater with a gun than a knife or any other weapon for that matter.

I can't help but wonder why anyone would go in front of a room full of kids with a LOADED weapon. That is just shear stupidity and people should know better.

It's tragic that this happened but does not surprise me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating removal or restriction of the right to own a gun. I'm commenting on the idiocy displayed by some of the people who own them.

Seriously America you need to revise you gun laws and mental health issues, and do so ASAP before you wipe yourselves out..

reply to post by fluff007


I say let them have guns...survival of the fittest. It will keep the human race thinned out of crazies.

reply to post by Blarneystoner

They were at a live firing range, sitting in a class for new shooters to learn how to shoot a firearm. Ummm..?

Having a loaded gun in class was kinda the point and this was no accident by reading the article. He very deliberately shot himself with an audience. It reminds me of another story recently where the guy had his little safety course and then went to the range and proceeded to shoot himself.

Odd ducks in the pond these days.

Originally posted by Komonazmuk
reply to post by Mugen

 

Blades are just so much more personal.

My best friends brother had a ton of guns but he died by cutting his throat. Might have done it that way just because he was in a lot of pain not really sure.


Gs

Oh well, at least he didn't take any innocents with him....still a dick for doing it in front of kids...Crazy