Facts we know of the new pope

There will appear towards the North

Not far from Cancer the bearded star:

Susa, Siena, Boeotia, Eretria,

The great one of Rome will die, the night over.

The great star for seven days shall burn

So nakedly clear like two suns appearing

The large dog all night howling

While the great Pontiff shall change his territory.

reply to post by ipsedixit


There's Francis of Assissi - which Shep on Fox said was the saint of animals and the "enviornmen?"

Then, there's Francis Xaxiar (sp?) who co-founded the jesuits with ignatius - you can bet he's sworn allegiance to the warrior jesuits and the black pope first.

The "environment?" - new world order, UN, carbon tax around the world to the world gov't?

What about that guy who predicted all the popes' names- was he right on this one?

reply to post by CB328


This argentinian pope is the son of Italian immigrants to argentina. I would also like to add the nazi link starting with john paul, ratzinger, and now this guy, whose parents may have come to argentina after ww2 with a whole lot of other nazi's and nazi/mussolini sympathizers?

reply to post by CB328


No sir. He predicted Pius

you people will look hard to find 13's
i mean every situation ever, 13s can be found. get over it already.

Originally posted by dgtal

As far as i know John Paul the first was just known as John Paul until John Paul II became Pope.

Yes, indeed. That's normal practice, which is why i spent so many posts last night being annoyed at the fact that this one was being announced as "the first".
All the popes listed as "the first" had that number added later, for the convenience of historians, when a second one came along.
That doesn't affect the point I was making in the post you quoted.

Originally posted by Socrato
reply to post by CB328

 

No sir. He predicted Pius

My friend told me it could fall in line with the prophecy. His father was born in Rome and was named Peter.....hence "Peter from Rome"...I beleive that is a strectch but , like some names in the prophecy, the "name" was in the Coat of Arms or relating to place of birth/orgin so this theory could work.

The thread is hinting at facts we know about the newly elected head of the Catholic Church. I posted this earlier on another thread, from a source which I cannot vouch for, maybe others can. If it is reliable, then the newby certainly has a past.....
If this is the case, then this article uncovers facts we know about the new Pope:

www.globalresearch.ca...

Be interested to note your views.

Originally posted by endats01
reply to post by Blarneystoner

 

So are you saying that you think the new Pope will be secretly taking orders from some other character? Perhaps that is not implied and I am incorrect. If so who do you think he might be taking orders from?

Didn't Saint Francis clean house in the Church in his time?

Could they have found a pope from farther away from the Vatican?

No... I don't think that he'll be taking orders from anyone. The Jesuit order's charism is to serve, not lead. The vows they take forbid it but historically, previous Popes have ignored that vow and selected Jesuits for official positions in the Vatican.

Surely, the Superior General of the Jesuits 'approved' the appointment prior to the election, otherwise I don't think Bergoglio would have been an option.

St. Francis of Assisi came from a wealthy mechant family but left the life of luxury for one of poverty in service. I think that Bergoglio name choice reflects his humility.

Originally posted by Sounds_of_Silence
There will appear towards the North

Not far from Cancer the bearded star:

Comet Pan-STARRS? ..but it's not very bright. Certainly doesn't appear to be a second sun.

Susa, Siena, Boeotia, Eretria,

Susa = Iran?
Siena = Tuscany?
Boeotia & Eretria = Greece?

The great one of Rome will die, the night over.

Who died?

The great star for seven days shall burn

Not very bright...

So nakedly clear like two suns appearing

nah...

The large dog all night howling

There's lots of big dogs out there.... and some do howl.

While the great Pontiff shall change his territory.

???

Some interesting thoughts and facts in this thread. All I know is in the bible - it states Gog and Magog and as a poster has pointed out - gog is in the name here!

St Malachi (spelling?) predicted the last Pope would be the black Pope - that could be a metaphor for the Pope who leads the Church into ruin. To elect a Pope who represents the Latin American people is indicative of a church in crisis. Elect a Pope who is directly connected to the largest (remaining) group of dedicated Catholics - to me that reeks of damage control.

Interesting to note that a Jesuit Priest and a highly educated one at that, is tasked with manning one of the largest observatories on the planet. He is tasked with watching the comings and goings of all the Intergalactic Visitors and their craft!!!! Also know that the Jesuits have been involved - historically - with the deaths of millions of innocent people - check out Vatican Assassins.

My first thoughts as I watched the Papal election in real time - here are a group of men in dresses and I knew that there should have been women there with them. Without women the clergy on that Vatican balcony had no sense of humanity - humility - respect for life but most importantly - no balance or fairness or equality. Just a group of men - in long dresses - looking sad as they fought to hold on to the mind controlled masses.

Any man who does not live in a balanced and harmonious manner with women is missing the most important lesson in life - respect. Don't get me started on how Children have suffered at the hands of clergy that's another issue.

Much Peace...

Does he has his loyal minion in place now?

The Most powerful Man in the World: The Black Pope

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
First time the pope picks his own title

They all do.

You forgot .. he has only one lung.
He lost a lung to a respiratory illness when he was young .. early 20s I think ....
We also know that about him.

Originally posted by Happy1
I would also like to add the nazi link starting with john paul, ratzinger, and now this guy, whose parents may have come to argentina after ww2 with a whole lot of other nazi's and nazi/mussolini sympathizers?

Um ... World War II ended in 1945.
Pope Francis was born in Argentina in 1936.
World War II hadn't even started yet when his parents went to Argentina.

Obviously his parents weren't nazi or mussolini sympathizers.

If anything probably just the opposite.
They may have seen what was coming and bailed out before the trouble started.

Originally posted by Amanda5
St Malachi (spelling?) predicted the last Pope would be the black Pope -

No. This is the prophecy ....

Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End

There is nothing in there about a 'black pope'.
That's from some other prophecy ....

Click here for more information.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I was raised very catholic - my aunt was a nun, until vatican 11,where she couldn't accept the changes, my uncle was a priest. Please do some real research on the jesuits and their history - not their homepages - see what kinds of things they have orchestrated through the centuries - the "black pope" is the jesuit general.

To save your soul, do some research.

What strikes me about the ex-archbishop of Bueos Aires, cardinal and primate of Argentine Bergoglio, is he refused the cardinal's palace and instead lived in apartment nearby together with another elderly bishop, he was doing the cooking, used buses to visit the outskirts clothed in simple priestly vestments. He visited poor, including hospices and washed feet of AIDS victims.

As pope however he would have many more challenges. N.1 is to appoint the new secretary of state, since card. Bertone's appointment automatically expired with the resignation of Benedict. (that is valid for nearly all other congregations' heads). The new appointment will show the direction of policy. What if he is American, what if he is card. Dolan that according to media got some votes in the conclave? Or what if he is from the Curia, such as cardinal Kasper who called for "revolutionization" of Curia?

Then comes the issue of the sex scandal within the ranks in Vatican itself. The gay sauna in one of the Vatican buildings as one of the examples. But that could be possibly fixed easier, firing a dozen or more people. John Paul II fired hundreds when he became pope in 1978 out of nowhere, out of Socialist Poland.

The really difficult questions that concern the lives of hundreds of millions common catholics, however, are not the sex scandals but the social reform and the management of Vatican finances. Enough with expensive conferences unending all the year round where thousands of bishops, priests and other staff fly all over the world and spend millions if not more money of the church to "discuss" and doing NOTHING REAL! Bishops' luxury lifestyle must be put to an end. Luxury cars and residences must be sold out. Cardinal O'Malley is a good example how that could be done - he sold the expensive palace residence to cover the lawsuits of the abused people. Not only for the abused people, but also for the millions of INNOCENT common catholics who perhaps feel many times they are abandoned by God and by the Church. I am not talking of the catholics in the USA alone, I am talking of the most of catholics who live in the Third world. And even in USA there are poor needy catholics. The charity done already is NOT ENOUGH. Mother Theresa's nuns cannot feed everyone. The Catholic church structures must change from luxury style CEOs to something more practical to respond to the needs of the church members. If that doesn't start to happen within visible timeframe, let say a month or two, the hi hopes today will fade away very quickly, no matter how inspired the homilies of the new pope might be. As it happened with Benedict who used to teach dogmatics but failed to do the above, and had personally one of the most luxurous styles, including taking the most expensive cruise in Australia for his visit. Why did he go to Brazil to get the cheers of the crowds, if he didn't say almost anything of the social inequality there? What the purpose of these intercontinental voyages, or the countless "pastoral visits" within Italy, if Italian people that are mostly catholics had to suffer the economic crisis almost the same time? Where is the input of the Vatican if there is such at all, in deciding social and economic problems within TRADITIONALLY CATHOLIC countries such as Italy, Spain and ireland that are among the so called Developed West? Let alone the misery in Latin America that needs special efforts. The popes did nothing or almost nothing, except for fighting the abortion (and that is a good thing but not the only thing they should ask the so called catholic politicians to do).The list is long and does not start and end with the papal vestments, residences or expensive cars. One feels uncomfortable when after praying the Via Crucis on Good Friday at the Colloseum one of the holiest places for Christianity, pope Benedict entered into his newest luxury limo to get back to Vatican. Weren't there cheaper cars for "Peter the fisherman"? I believe pope Francis will be like St Francis in that regard, and unlike St Francis will start the change from top to bottom (St Francis started it from bottom with personal example of poverty and prayer).

Then come the prophecy, that for many devote catholics takes the first important place, before everything mentioned so far. Will we ever hear the REAL Fatima, and what does it mean for the entire world, not just the Catholic church?

How about the Jesuit astronomers' ongoing statements that discovery of life in the universe does not contradict the Gospel? What if indeed such planets are discovered by the newest astronomical equipment, sponsored by the Vatican too? What if some of those beings have already visited the Earth in secret? How would Petrus Romanus answer to that challenge? Will he save the humanity if imminent disaster is scheduled to come, such as mega solar flare, utilizing the help of the benevolent (good) extraterrestrials? Will he discern correctly who are the evil aliens instead?

I don't expect pope Francis to start talking of extraterrestrials on the first days of his pontificate. I expect him to start cleansing the church, and to release Fatima as soon as he finds time to get the documents in hand. The clock is literally ticking, and if delayed again, the cheers of the crowds will change to apathy and the world will go another way. Perhaps the way of WW3 that has already been postponed countless times.

May God bless pope Francis, as he asked the crowd to pray for.