ATS Exclusive - Turkey UFO Incident - New Details - A Fresh Look At The Kumburgaz Case 2007 to 2009

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by CigaretteMan


3. Camera Details
The camera was based on the NTSC System with a diaphragm set at the maximum of 1.8. Canon DM-GRI-A. It's a 3CCD 20x optic 100x with a tele-converter mounted on a 58mm adapter. Tele-objective is a Sony brand vci hgd 1758 model lens, x 1.7.

I Googled for more info on the camera but all it seems to generate is links to this event.

Lets look at all the problems from the view of a photographer.

A lens does not perform at its best (sharpness) at its widest aperture f1.8 in this case.

Zoom lenses tend to be softer (not as sharp) as prime (fixed focal length) lenses

Digital zoom DEGRADES an image, any photographer will tell you that.

A tele-converter will DEGRADE an image also.

Shooting at night also creates problems with image quality low light and small sensor size also problems using auto focus as it hunts to find something to focus on which can be seen on the video.

So we have a night time low light digital zoomed image degraded by a teleconverter not the best way to document an event.

Looking at other Canon cameras with a similar spec they used 3ccd chips which were 1/4" chips each of 250,000 -320,000 pixels, good at that time but not now.

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I think it must be a typo.

Canon had a GL1 3 CCD camera.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Firstly, this "Fresh look 2007-2009" has already been posted here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Secondly, it has already been proven to be of a boat on the water here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


It's not real, it's not a UFO, we can put this Turkey case to rest once and for all.

For being sticklers for evidence debunkers
sure give up as soon as any known "might be"
comes to light. Yes it was above the horizon but
since the world does have cruise ships and it was filmed
OVER water, it' must be a cruise ship, or a bird, or a house or
Venus .

Originally posted by Elvis Hendrix
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

Thats rubbish man.... youve just blurred out the boat picture to make it look like the ufo.
talk about manipulating evidence to make your point.It shrieks of desperation.

I agree and he only compares 1 day of the footage. He forgot the other 25 days.

Even if he is right and it does not match to me, then he still has 25 more days to debunk.

On January 31, 2008, a MiniDV format video cassette holding 35 minutes of footage was brought over to "TUBITAK" The Science and Technology Research Board of Turkey’s (a Scientific Institution owned by the state that is highly reliable and influential) National Observatory (TUG) by Mr.Tolga Ozdeniz, the Editor of "Reporter" that has been aired on ATV Channel. The footage on the cassette was said to have been recorded by a Canon GL1 MiniDV digital camera on a beach of a holiday village in Kumburgaz/Istanbul by an amateur.

Just to be clear, this is what I am refering to.

Originally posted by CigaretteMan

I agree and he only compares 1 day of the footage. He forgot the other 25 days.

Even if he is right and it does not match to me, then he still has 25 more days to debunk.

Were is he pointing his camera on the other days

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The point is that they havent debunked any of it. Not by a long shot. And the boat thing is just plane weak.
This will run and run, and the sceptics have nothing.

Originally posted by ProfessorT
I still believe this is one of the best, perhaps in the top five of all time UFO and alien cases. The videographer captured something which quite frankly is unexplainable no matter what alternative explanations people put forward they just don't match up. I've heard the cruise ship explanation which doesn't make sense, if this was a cruise ship it would have been obvious from the outset and surely you would have been able to see other lights in the video from windows and cabins, etc. Also, I have yet to read anyone debunking the aliens which were found in the enhanced footage and the various studies carried out by experts in Turkey and other countries.

I agree this is one of the best cases. I am also a skeptic, and it is impossible to say that this isn't some natural phenomenon, a well done fake, or possibly the real thing. Looking at a few of the photos, my first thought was that is exactly what Kenneth Arnold described. I don't believe this has anything to do with a cruise ship, and clearly there has been no credible explanation. I haven't done a lot of research on this sighting, but wonder if the object was picked up on radar like the Washington UFOs? When you have something that can be tracked on radar, and described by multiple pilots as doing things that can't be done by modern aircraft, that is a pretty good case. It leads me to believe the cases that can't be easily explained deserve more study.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by CigaretteMan

It's obviously a boat.

Or one of these.

Sorry but I left school a long time ago but I will watch for you in the playground

Let the adults discuss the grown up things on here!!


Part of the learning process is understanding there is always more to learn. Inquisitive people often find that they don't know everything, and things they previously believed were impossible are actually possible. The communicators used in the original Star Trek seemed like a fantasy back in the day, now modern cell phones make them look primitive. My point is that it's quite obvious the galaxy, let alone our universe is likely filled with beings more intelligent than the current state of humanity. Yep, 99.9% of UFO sightings are not what we think they are, but I have no doubt we will make contact with more than one alien race eventually if we can keep from destroying ourselves.

Originally posted by CigaretteMan
Hello,

During 2008 at the time some of the video was taken some of the Turkish media did a report. Here you see Roger Leir and some of the witnesses speaking at the same time. They did not wait several years later.

Are you saying the Turkish media has footage of one of these sightings?
I don't really care about Dr. Leir, but I never heard him mention anything about this case until 2011.

reply to post by freelance_zenarchist


1. I have not seen any footage that can be proven was taken by the media at the time of these Turkey UFOs. News media are impossible to get them to try to film UFOs. Its hard enough to get them to do a tiny story on it.

Is this is a reason to dismiss the entire case?
Here is the SKY News report but its not sure if they filmed this or Murat
youtu.be...

A few points about this case not brought up yet.

1. The only way to truly verify the case is to analyze the original MiniDV Cassette and interview all the witnesses. Then have them take a lie detector.

2. The TUBIAK center or the Turkish scientific group should at least some details but this case was 4 years ago so who knows. Their website is www.tubitak.gov.tr...

3. I have been told Haktan is going to be coming to the United States sometime in the next few months. He was born in New York as a matter of fact and immigrated to Turkey.

4. Open Minds Magazine has the actual camera that Murat used. Murat then got a new SONY camera. Murat's Facebook is here: www.facebook.com...







If we can find someone who speaks fluent Turkish we can conduct an interview with Murat Yalcin. I know how to get in touch with him.

Anyone here that can speak Turkish want to help translate?

clearly a boat, many thanks and goodnight.

Originally posted by ArMaP

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Originally posted by CigaretteMan
If we can find someone who speaks fluent Turkish we can conduct an interview with Murat Yalcin. I know how to get in touch with him.

Anyone here that can speak Turkish want to help translate?

Did you see this post?

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

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I saw your previous post about Turkish speaking ATS members. Thanks for that. Its a slow moving process but someday maybe they will log in and we can ask them. I am trying to see if Farah Yarduzu can but I am so busy at work my time is limited.

Here is a video that is decent quality (not hi-def) but decent.

It is from June 16, 2008 I think.
and after that
It has video from May 17, 2009

Originally posted by Elvis Hendrix
reply to post by CigaretteMan

 

The point is that they havent debunked any of it. Not by a long shot. And the boat thing is just plane weak.
This will run and run, and the sceptics have nothing.

The point is that there is nothing to debunk. There is absolutely no evidence that this a flying anything. None.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

Originally posted by Elvis Hendrix
reply to post by CigaretteMan

 

The point is that they havent debunked any of it. Not by a long shot. And the boat thing is just plane weak.
This will run and run, and the sceptics have nothing.

The point is that there is nothing to debunk. There is absolutely no evidence that this a flying anything. None.

Video is evidence
Witness testimony is evidence

Meanwhile there is no evidence it was a 'Flying Cruiseship"