Well look at this the Queen's nurses belt buckle.

Originally posted by fireyaguns
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

 

Does the queen answers to the Vatican, yes

Is the Vatican the synagogue of Satan, yes

Who controls the 1 mile square, the Vatican.

Babylon of old times has always been.

New Babylon is almost ready. The people are conditioned to deny what's evil and claim it's good.

No, the Queen doesn't answer to the Vatican. That was the whole point of Henry V111 making himself head of the Church of England. He could then get on with his marital affairs free from interference from the Pope.

reply to post by hesse

Yes, Freemasons are so secret you know who the members and leaders are, when and where they meet, and see that there is a ton of information out there on them. If we're a secret society then we're the worst kept secret in the history of man.

Now on the other hand, there is nothing weird or abnormal about men congregating together.

reply to post by gps777

As I pointed out earlier the Eastern Star doesn't exist in England.

As for your DC street design, the pentagram is not complete as not all the streets are actually there. Rhode Island Ave NW doesn't extend to George Washington Circle and connect with K St NW as your picture infers.

reply to post by hesse

Nope. I do this on my own accord.

reply to post by TheAnarchist

Prove she is a female Mason. Many have already pointed out the significance of the belt buckle and her nursing career.

I don't get why people can live with making such wild decisions off of rumor and speculation.

reply to post by micpsi

Who cares what the Vatican thinks and what the ignorant think? If everyone based their opinions off of ignorance this world would be a horrible place...oh, wait.

reply to post by Afterthought

You guys seem to feed off each other's wild exaggerations. The Queen is not exactly a spring chicken. Maybe it was best for her to go to the hospital instead of in-home care. Now you all are reading far into and when one person makes a wild jump to some random conclusion, you take it farther. It's assumptions and rumors, based on assumptions and rumors, none of which is based on fact. Sad, silly rabbits.

reply to post by Gazrok

To the best of my knowledge, the Eastern Star is not recognized in England.

reply to post by mavericktomcat

The Queen is NOT a Mason nor a member of the Eastern Star.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

When I visited an Italian Lodge I saw that there were a few members of the Catholic clergy in the Lodge.

reply to post by MysterX


FOR TLR Skip to the bottom

The pentagram, largely associated with satanism due to media portrayal, found its "stigma" from the church
(Roman Catholic I believe) circa 400bce-ish. Before then, among tons of other things most likely, it was thought of by Pythagoras to represent the perfect harmony in nature. This was a notion that he brought to greece from his time in the Egyptian mystery schools. After establishing his school in Greece, he and his fellow Pythagorians used it to extract golden ratios. At simple pentagram represents three levels of harmony of the golden ratio within its lines. Pythagoras was using the pentagonal ratios to develop a new musical scale for the Lyre, a very popular 7 string instrument of the time. He found that while the pentagonal ratio worked well for the transitional of equal tones, it left a small gap, as it progressed. He divided the scales into two tritones, which left a "shisma" as he referred to it in the middle of a scale that couldn't be reconciled. The Lyre was such an instrument of the time that it was considered illegal to modify ones Lyre beyond set standards. In an effort to reconcile the schism that seemed to develop when musical scales transitioned, Pythagoras even appealed to a council to add an 8th string to the Lyre which was successful. Still, he was unable to reconcile the emergent gap within the harmonies of musical scales. He and his followers viewed this "schisma" as evidence that there was a flaw in nature, or more applicably for this explanation; in man. The pentagram, representing the transitions of natural harmonies, had revealed what Pythagoras and his followers viewed as an inherent flaw in nature. The pentagram encapsulated the notion of imperfection in "god's" work.

This pentagram of imperfection was seen represented in music by a ratio referred to as a Tritone. The scale divided by Tritones produced an imperfection, the "schisma," and were not included within the church's Canon. Thus, the perception of religious angst towards the pentagram was born (or simply added to perhaps.)

To try and account for a shape's origin is ultimately like trying to account for a color's. There is no telling how far back in antiquity the pentagram's roots truly are. It seems, however, that a large-scale societal awareness and study began in the Egyptian Mystery schools, and transitioned into Pythagoras' teachings. This is one of the few explanations I have ever been supplied that accounts for the arrival of the pentagram to the church's awareness, the study of it, the conclusions drawn, and then the following judgement enacted by the church. It is easy enough to imagine after that how a church placing a veto on a technicality within musical theory, made aware by the study of a shape, got slimmed down in its explanation to the public. The symbol, rather than the explanation, was used to explain on behalf of the church's decision. I imagine this lead people just casually associate the pentagram as "that thing the church doesn't like," to "what we aren't allowed to use," continuing in a normal fashion of religious policy evolution.

CONCLUDING:
Pentagram had its origins of ill perception originating from Pythagoras' study of the ratios represented within the individual segments. He found that while it represented perfection in harmony, one couldn't actually achieve it in practice. His practice being the development of a musical scale. The church then decreed the composing Tritones that gave way to this imperfection of harmony were to be disallowed from their canon. The pentagram representing the Tritone, was seen by many to represent what was "bad" in the eyes of the church.

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Originally posted by micpsi


How naive! The Roman Catholic Church has declared Freemasonry inimical to Christianity and you don't think it matters that someone who is possibly a practising Mason has been attending the head of the Church of England? Many Christians would not approve of this. This may be all a storm in a tea cup. But it DOES matter to those who believe Freemasonry is Satanic. It only doesn't matter to those who think Freemasonry is not against Christianity. That's totally naive.

Naive? You haven't done basic research.

The masons in this country are an overtly protestant group. That's why the catholic church is inimical to them. They also don't generally let catholics join, that's kind of the point. But in foundation they are a protestant christian entity, and the Church of England is obviously protestant.

actually no, not at all.

Freemasonry allows men of all faiths to enter, including Catholics. (I am proof of that) Masonry is not a religion.
It's the Catholic church that doesn't want it's members becoming masons.
see this for clarification.

Sorry, I didn't express myself quite accurately. I'm aware catholics can now join the Masons, and I know it's not a religion, but in foundation it is a protestant-aligned group.

I was using this to show how ridiculous it is to take the catholic church's pronouncements on masonry as an indictment of its religious or patriotic principles.

reply to post by Logarock

Wow! What a desperately weak effort at a$$ covering. Fashion statement indeed...

reply to post by bottleslingguy

I follow your point but this statement was just ridiculous. Really? just some arbitrary fashion?

What is most ridiculous, is that both of you are unwilling to accept the possibility that it is just something as simple as a fashion accessory and are so blinded that you feel it necessary to disregard and overly criticize my opinion.

Denying ignorance does not mean denying realistic and simple possibilities/explainations.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by primus2012
The Catholics join other groups then like The Lions, Knights of Columbus, or the Shriners?

The Knights of Columbus is a Catholic-only organization and the Shriners are part of Masonry.

Yes KoC is Catholic-only, but many Shriners are Catholics. When I was a lad, living in a large Catholic community, there were quite a few Shriners in my parish. Several of whom we'd see at all the area city summer parades riding their full-fairing Harleys in formation. I don't think they were under any Catholic directive to not be a member of the Shriners.
The Shriners brought the circus to town and were always known for their charity work on par with the local Lion's Clubs.

edit: I suppose it is possible that those men from my church were just taking part in the parades and weren't active Shriner members, like a motorcycle club only kind of thing.

The tool’s meanings are defined by their use...in this case I would say the nurse is someone who helps you heal. Only the ones involved though would know if this is not the case and used to mean something else. We will never know and they will call out anyone saying otherwise.

I don't fear what I don't understand and nether should anyone else if you have a strong faith in God.

Strong faith yes. Letting the filth know we Christ like men and women are firm and see their fruits is disruptive to their very existence.

reply to post by KSigMason


Exactly, masons are not that secretive where I am, in my town their masonic hall has MASONIC HALL in big letters above it carved in stone..yup very secretive LOL.

Also I wasn't aware they allowed females to be members? I just thought of them as a jumped up working men's club...

Originally posted by MDDoxs
What is most ridiculous, is that both of you are unwilling to accept the possibility that it is just something as simple as a fashion accessory and are so blinded that you feel it necessary to disregard and overly criticize my opinion.

Denying ignorance does not mean denying realistic and simple possibilities/explainations.

edit on 5-3-2013 by MDDoxs because: (no reason given)

A simple fashion accessory?? What is ridiculous is ANYONE who suggests the wearing of a belt buckle with the symbols of freemasonry and a pentagram side by side worn by a nurse and photographed escorting a Queen out of a hospital is nothing more than a fashion accessory. That is THE most laughable absurd statement I have read on this forum in a very long time.

Now there must be someone close by this hospital so stop on over and find out if this is normal for nurses to wear at this location or an individual thing and if she is merely wearing a "fashion accessory".

Originally posted by Theeastcoastwest
reply to post by MysterX

 

FOR TL

R Skip to the bottom

The pentagram, largely associated with satanism due to media portrayal, found its "stigma" from the church
(Roman Catholic I believe) circa 400bce-ish. Before then, among tons of other things most likely, it was thought of by Pythagoras to represent the perfect harmony in nature. This was a notion that he brought to greece from his time in the Egyptian mystery schools. After establishing his school in Greece, he and his fellow Pythagorians used it to extract golden ratios. At simple pentagram represents three levels of harmony of the golden ratio within its lines. Pythagoras was using the pentagonal ratios to develop a new musical scale for the Lyre, a very popular 7 string instrument of the time.
CONCLUDING:
Pentagram had its origins of ill perception originating from Pythagoras' study of the ratios represented within the individual segments. He found that while it represented perfection in harmony, one couldn't actually achieve it in practice. His practice being the development of a musical scale. The church then decreed the composing Tritones that gave way to this imperfection of harmony were to be disallowed from their canon. The pentagram representing the Tritone, was seen by many to represent what was "bad" in the eyes of the church.

I don't know where you found these inventions, for I have to inform you that they are all false.

First of all, he never established ANY school in Greece. After he was expelled from Egypt by the invading soldiers of King Cambyses, he wandered in many lands before returning to Samos, his island of birth. He eventually established his famous academy in Crotona in southern Italy. Pythagoras was only half-Greek (his mother was Phoenician) and he NEVER lived in ancient Greece.

Secondly, there is NO evidence that Pythagoras ever tried to create a musical scale out of the Golden Ratio present in the pentagram. This is sheer, fanciful speculation masquerading as academic fact that New Agers love to indulge in. Speculation because neither he nor his followers wrote down his teachings. The problem was with his Pythagorean musical scale, where the existence of the Pythagorean comma (the gap between 12 fifths and seven octaves) created dificulties of tuning and transposition for musicians. This had NOTHING to do with the pentagram because it was not based upon its Golden Proportion. The Pythagoreans as a community recognised one another in public by wearing a pentagram on their sleeves. It symbolized for them the five elements of Earth, Water, Air, Fire and Aether. It was also a represention of the five limbs of a human being. But it has far more profound mathematical meaning. This has been discovered by Dr Stephen Phillips, a theoretical physicist, who has uncovered the incredible and wonderful mathematical wisdom in Pythagorean number theory and its connection with Hebrew gematria and sacred geometries. His discoveries can be studied at:
smphillips.8m.com...
The Church generally viewed the pentagram with suspicion because of its associations with pagan thought. Many came to identify (falsely) this amazing shape with Satanism because of the use of the pentagram in Kabbalistic, magical rituals. Study and eventually understand THIS if any of you want to start learning what the true power of the pentagram is and what it mathematically expresses through the template of the Pythagorean tetractys. It will blow your mind away.

BTW more info on the Pentagram....

symboldictionary.net...

The pentagram is a five pointed star commonly associated with Wicca, Ritual magick, Satanism, and Masonry. The Pentagram has a long and complex history as a religious symbol. Found scrawled in caves of ancient Babylonia, the five pointed star was copied from the star shaped pattern formed by the travels of the planet Venus in the sky.

It was not until the twentieth century that the pentagram became associated with Satanism, probably due to misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians.

In Wiccan/Pagan lore, the pentagram symbolizes the five elements- earth, air, water, fire, and spirit. The Wiccan emblematic pentagram faces point upward to symbolize the triumph of spirit over matter; the Satanic pentagram is transposed, point downwards, to symbolize earthly gratification, or the triumph of the individual over dissolution. Some Wiccan initiatory grades also utilize a reversed pentacle, although for different purposes.

reply to post by SMOKINGGUN2012


Please note, that I never said this was fact, but a possibility to be considered. As per my initial post, the symbols are not exclusively worn by Freemasons.

I for one wear items of clothing with symbols and phrasing I don’t understand or support. Just because I wear a Liverpool jersey doesn’t necessarily mean I am a fan, but the symbol remains and one could draw the conclusion that because I am wearing it, I do indeed support that club, even when I don’t.

I will concede the point that wearing such symbolic and obvious accessory in the presence of the Queen is curious and questionable.

Next time laugh at your own ignorance, as I can hardly take a person seriously if they are willing to throw out common sense and opt for more convoluted/complex/conspiratorial angles.

I think I will take the advice from your signature:

Never argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Good luck trolling in your future endeavors.

Originally posted by DissentFromDayOne
"33" is a symbol for ritual sodomy btw. They believe this illuminates you---opens the 3rd eye).

Oh, my goodness no! Ritual Sodomy? I have no doubt it would affect the "third eye" and probably open it more than one might want. (yuck)

Do they teach you this in Jesus school?

Such a pitiful, dirty mind. you need to go to confession!

I don't see others wearing that buckle here:

Originally posted by SMOKINGGUN2012
Now there must be someone close by this hospital so stop on over and find out if this is normal for nurses to wear at this location or an individual thing and if she is merely wearing a "fashion accessory".

MY GOD! you folks are amazingly obtuse! read the thread! The answer and appropriate links and proof were provided on page 2 and 3.
This post explains it and this post provides the proof.

If you aren't going to read the thread, why are you even here?

reply to post by network dude


I did read it and NO it does not explain THIS hospital. MY GOD.........

Some hospitals like the one this one might represent could have been a masonic hospital - yes the mason's did historically run some hospitals in England.

This poster is guessing.....YES GUESSING..........once again MY GOD...................

Originally posted by spartaocean
Whats so shocking about this...
Maybe shes associated with the woman's maternal part of the Masonic Lodge. She has that right, and you do as well to put in an applications to a Masonic Lodge or any other society. An become a member.
Of course, those societies have power, that's what they're there for.

And the pentagram ?

That is a Masonic symbol too ?

or not ?

reply to post by network dude


The second link you posted is about a hospital in Ravenscourt Park, West London. The King Edward VII Hospital is on Beaumont Street, London, 2 DIFFERENT locations and 2 DIFFERENT hospitals.

Once again MY GOD.... NO..... that 2nd post does NOT provide the proof of ANYTHING of THIS hospital.





NOW....what was that about being OBTUSE you were saying??