BREAKING: Hugo Chavez Is Dead

reply to post by VaterOrlaag

I tend to hate those who hate me on general principle if nothing else. He had little but hateful and vile things to say about we folks in the North unless he was nationalizing (read STEALING Oil company sites and equipment to make his own and personal profit machines).

It's not about listening to the media anyway... If you've kept up on Venezuelan news from Caracas news sources, he's been far from the most favored leader, to be very kind about it. The people some suggest loved him, sure had a funny way of showing it in the streets as often as they did. It wasn't love in the air, to be sure.

For those who say he was elected as if it had any comparison to the Untied States whatsoever in election procedures...again, check LOCAL Venezuelan news on that matter. Elected is a relative term in some nations. Saddam Hussein, for instance, was elected too. 99% of the vote, sure as anything. Corruption is downright institutional in some places, in ways the U.S. has never seen. Venezuela is one of those places, IMO.

In the end though, the guy was just a socialist jerk. I do NOT like Socialists in any form and I never have. Not HIS brand of it, anyway.

Chavez's influence over Latin America's left-leaning governments has often rankled the United States, Venezuela's largest trading partner. Venezuela is the fourth-largest exporter of oil to the United States.

Despite that tight economic relationship, the two countries are far from close: Chavez often rails against the United States and its allies as "imperialists" and has supported controversial world leaders such as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.

The election result Sunday means the U.S. government will have to continue to deal with Chavez's provocatively independent brand of diplomacy.

Source

An additional note with the talk of how the CIA approves everyone in South and Central America.... Umm... The CIA spent most of the 1980's FIGHTING a good part of Central and South America. Approval of leaders would have been Reagan or Bush's wet dream. It wasn't how it worked then and with people like Daniel Ortega and Morales running major nations down there now? It hasn't improved much since.

The CIA WISHES it were half as powerful as some people give them credit for.

reply to post by Daedalus


That's what I thought, '' oh no, not again.. ''

but CNN isn't one to put up hoaxes like this.

Hugo Chavez, is also one of the first leaders to call George Bush a devil at the UN.
He said it was still smelling of sulfur from Bush' previous speech lol. Hats off for mr Chavez!

So what now..........?

Will Venezuela's oil be in play?

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by Daedalus

 

That's what I thought, '' oh no, not again.. ''

but CNN isn't one to put up hoaxes like this.

i dunno man.....aren't they like an affiliate? and it's not as if a mainstream media outlet has never before put out political propaganda...

-shrug- wait and see, i guess?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
So what now..........?

Will Venezuela's oil be in play?

We need to clarify that he is dead.
I don't think he is, nothing on the msn

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by VaterOrlaag

 

I tend to hate those who hate me on general principle if nothing else. He had little but hateful and vile things to say about we folks in the North unless he was nationalizing (read STEALING Oil company sites and equipment to make his own and personal profit machines).

It's not about listening to the media anyway... If you've kept up on Venezuelan news from Caracas news sources, he's been far from the most favored leader, to be very kind about it. The people some suggest loved him, sure had a funny way of showing it in the streets as often as they did. It wasn't love in the air, to be sure.

For those who say he was elected as if it had any comparison to the Untied States whatsoever in election procedures...again, check LOCAL Venezuelan news on that matter. Elected is a relative term in some nations. Saddam Hussein, for instance, was elected too. 99% of the vote, sure as anything. Corruption is downright institutional in some places, in ways the U.S. has never seen. Venezuela is one of those places, IMO.

In the end though, the guy was just a socialist jerk. I do NOT like Socialists in any form and I never have. Not HIS brand of it, anyway.

Chavez's influence over Latin America's left-leaning governments has often rankled the United States, Venezuela's largest trading partner. Venezuela is the fourth-largest exporter of oil to the United States.

Despite that tight economic relationship, the two countries are far from close: Chavez often rails against the United States and its allies as "imperialists" and has supported controversial world leaders such as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.

The election result Sunday means the U.S. government will have to continue to deal with Chavez's provocatively independent brand of diplomacy.

Source

An additional note with the talk of how the CIA approves everyone in South and Central America.... Umm... The CIA spent most of the 1980's FIGHTING a good part of Central and South America. Approval of leaders would have been Reagan or Bush's wet dream. It wasn't how it worked then and with people like Daniel Ortega and Morales running major nations down there now? It hasn't improved much since.

The CIA WISHES it were half as powerful as some people give them credit for.

A forum like this is hardly the place to detail every nuance of what the CIA has done in the western hemisphere and what influence they have and have had in the past, so I'll suffice to say that you need to do some more research. The hand of the CIA has been in almost every country in this hemisphere, and any time one of those countries has stepped out of bounds (shown that they might be able to be self-sufficient and indepdent), the CIA has stirred the pot or started a war to keep those countries in a continuous state of poverty and turmoil. There's plenty of resources throughout the Caribbean, SA, and CA, and not a single country has been able to capitalize on it. There's a reason for that, and that's where I would suggest you start looking. There's also plenty of information resources, and I dare say if you explored them, you might not be so brash about your judgement of how wimpy the CIA is.

Originally posted by CranialSponge
I don't think Chavez being out of the picture is necessarily going to be a good thing for Venezuela.

Up to now, Chavez was bucking TPTB in every aspect including banking, oil rights, bringing their gold back, etc... In my mind, anyone who fights against the bankster oil dictators of the world is okay in my books.

I think we've been fed a lot of BS propaganda about Chavez like every other "dictator" in resource rich countries.

It'll be interesting to see how quickly and quietly our countries take control over Venezuela's resource assets by means of who gets "voted" into power after the dust settles.

And he also controlled the national free Press, smashed the opposition using dirty actions. Venezuela lives in bad social and financial situation. While he's very good in verbally attacking the the US, the US (the 'enemy') is his main Oil buyer (ambuguos right?).

The good old Chaves is Venezuela's worst nightmare in my perception. Believe me, South America wont miss him AT ALL.

I know many around somehow respect the guy, but it's very easy when not living under his hat. I wish we could hear from members from Venezuela what their views are.

i guess its sad, and hard to believe if he was a good or a bad guy, same situation with Gaddafi and Saddam, sorry i cant trust MSM.

If it is true, it sadden me.. R.I.P Mr. Chavez sure the world miss another hero. Good bye my friend.

reply to post by rigel4


I assumed he was, if he isn't then this thread should be put in the Hoax bin?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


He was elected fair and square, each election has been monitored and no wrong doings have been found can you say the same about the USA elections?

I'm certain this is not intentional by the op, but it is clearly
not true at this point.

Chavez is not dead!!!

reply to post by SLAYER69


Yes but it hasn't been confirmed yet.

But I would guess it is true. As another member stated CNN doesn't normally make article's that are hoaxes. However on the CNN.com there is nothing, but on the Chile site there is.

Too early to tell I guess.

-SAP-

Originally posted by rigel4
I'm certain this is not intentional by the op, but it is clearly
not true at this point.

Chavez is not dead!!!

I'm going to quote you on that.

Only time will tell though eh?

Originally posted by Deny777
To the people who think he's a great leader: please explain to me how a president that shuts down radio and TV stations when they broadcast news that go against his government is a great leader. He's not very fond of criticism it seems, and has zero respect for freedom of speech. Also from what I read about him he's a shameless populist disguised as a nationalist, that's why the Venezuelan people "love" him. The quotes are because there's suspicion that polls and elections results are fabricated.

So unless all his public pronouncements and news about his actions are false and/or poorly translated, the very least I can say about him is that he's as evil as it gets.

miss your cartoones?
did you hear how the US dicktator(s) pays to put false news on the CIA controlled TV stations in the US and in the media abroad?

here is just one example of a plethora

The same day that the Bush administration, backed by congressional Democrats, was outlining its “strategy for victory” in Iraq, news broke that the US military has been secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish pro-American propaganda stories.

The Los Angeles Times reported on Wednesday that the articles, written by US troops under the direction of the military’s “Information Operations Task Force,” are translated into Arabic and planted in Baghdad newspapers with the assistance of the Washington-based Lincoln Group and its subcontractor BKSH & Associates.

The Lincoln Group was awarded a $5 million contract for the project in 2004 after a Pentagon advisory committee cited a “fundamental problem of credibility” in winning over Muslim public opinion

www.wsws.org...

evil is as evil does

PS
evil dicktatorial invasion of foreign country for no honest reason not withstanding

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

He was elected fair and square, each election has been monitored and no wrong doings have been found can you say the same about the USA elections?

Are you joking?
Do you mean a fair election meaning counting the votes properly?
A fair election is when you let the rightful opposition expose its intentions in the same way you do.
A fair election happens when there is two or more parts in the game.
Chaves destroyed any opposition and controlled the regional sections with his men. Closed any media that was against him. The tvs are controlled soly by him (the gov) and he brain washes the country through it.

He didn't need to cheat the election, everything was done prior to that.

If Chavez is dead it will make a lot of powerful people in Washington happy. I hope it is not so.

This video presents a good picture of the man and the people around him.

Originally posted by rigel4
We need to clarify that he is dead.
I don't think he is, nothing on the msn

Damn right we do! The sooner that we can insert our hand picked and groomed internationalist yes man puppet (like Obama) into office over there the quicker we can mislead and create laws in order to enslave the sheople of Venezuela in order for the same internationalists to sell their Oil to the highest bidder, which is Red China! They own us by the way, shhhhhhhhhh!

LMAO! The truth is hard to hear isn't it? It's the truth, No, It's not for America. It's just for those who use America as their Sword. Too many fools do not recognize exactly how much damage in such a short time that the unity of International Socialism and International Captitalism has done to this World.

Course, There are other opinions and arguements about whether these policies are the only things that can be done in order to prevent Red China from swallowing up all the resources of planet Earth. Should we just allow them to take Africa? It's a reasonable discussion that needs to be addressed. ~$hepleNation

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by rigel4
I'm certain this is not intentional by the op, but it is clearly
not true at this point.

Chavez is not dead!!!

I'm going to quote you on that.

Only time will tell though eh?

If so it is being kept quite the secret. Fox News; nil. CNN; nil, any other outlet has been nil on the situation. I am with you though, time will certainly tell.

Though I see reports ranging from: "Don't believe it just yet" to "He was declared brain dead"......

It is ATS I suppose...