Under-age rape victim convicted of fornication, sentenced to 100 lashes

reply to post by Malynn


Oh is that how you graded yourself? Cute I agree.

Originally posted by Lostmymarbles
Yes my imagination...

Or maybe from reading historical documents and history books, but here are some links for you.

200,000 + burned at the stake

Death by Christians

These are all estimates but it is hard to know the true numbers as the time covered is several hundred years. Either way, that is an insane amount of people burned at the stake.

So your argument to support a modern day Sharia courts sentencing an under-age rape victim to 100 lashes is that...

...hundreds of years ago, Europeans allegedly burnt up to 200,000 to death for alleged witch craft?

Are you serious?

reply to post by ollncasino


Did you even read my previous posts or understood what I was trying to convey?

I stated I found this story to be disgusting and not cool, but also saying that we shouldn't label or persecute an entire religion because of crappy laws or bad seeds within the bunch. But it seems persecution is the Christian way...reason why I no longer consider myself Christian.

I asked people to be more thoughtful and not point fingers because each religion evolves at its own paste and that as bad as it may seem what is happening here, similar has been done before by those pointing fingers. Showing both sides and hoping the cycle of hate and foolishness stop.

Now would you please link your sources in which made you think I was making this up or imagining it.

reply to post by Lostmymarbles


I'm confused, did Christianity have anything to do with this girls situation? Or whenever something terrible like this happens because of Sharia Law, do we now just say well a few hundred years ago Christians did something bad also...

reply to post by ouvertaverite

and how many thousands of women and men have been raped in the u.s. armed forces with absolutely no charges against anyone or even an investigation? a mind boggling report on the estimated numbers over time came out the other day. not defending medieval islamic practices in some countries, but please don't play the self-righteously superior card--it doesn't fly in a society like ours where child abuse was a taboo subject and epidemic at the same time for centuries..

Im not sure exactly what your saying?
Are you implying Im pro US armed forces?

Im not American Im Australian, culturally similar so Ill let it pass that you assume Im a Yank.
Where in our society is it accepted for child ause of any kind to happen?

Sorry but compared to the majority of Middle Eastern and African Islamic countries we have almost every right to feel self righteous and superior, women forced to cover themselves, subjected to genital mutilation, sold and treated like cattle or objects. I feel vastly superior that my culture isnt a part of any of this

reply to post by LoverBoy


I was merely pointing out how so many are targeting a religion and those who follow into one large group, thus believing everyone who practices that religion to be the same across the board. Leaving little or no room in which to accept that not everyone who practices said religion accepts, supports, or believes in the horrific things that a few from within do.

If you read the earlier posts, people were condemning the entire religion and all those associated with it while ignoring their own history and current state of affairs that is currently going on within our own country. Such as, American Law, a cop can just about shoot just about anyone and get a paid vacation for doing so. There are always going to be extreme cases and situations for each and every law/society/religion/etc, and because of this we should no be quick to rush into judgement and point fingers.

Originally posted by Lostmymarbles
reply to post by LoverBoy

 

I was merely pointing out how so many are targeting a religion and those who follow into one large group, thus believing everyone who practices that religion to be the same across the board. Leaving little or no room in which to accept that not everyone who practices said religion accepts, supports, or believes in the horrific things that a few from within do.

Exactly. And if the ignorant people around here get to paint all of Islam with the same broad, ignorant brush I guess I can then safely start saying all Catholic Priests are pedophiles. Because it's the same thing.

Targeting a religeon?,.
Sorry but if this sound's intollerant to you so be it, any man who claim's to be a prophet even though he has never heard the voice of god (read the koran) but recieved his message's from a spirit calling himself gabriel and who married a 6 year old child who lost all of her hair from her little head on the first night with traumatic shock (the koran say's she was diseased but goes on about how beautifull she was - 6 year's old), who promoted rape of non believer's and the beheading of non believer's (4000+ christians at one city alone - what was that jesus said and when I return those beheaded for my name sake shall come with me), he also expressed an interest in a toddler who could not even walk yet, Prophet or Devil you decide so protect that religeon if you think god is for sale, I for one do not.

Islam is a religion that has been infiltrated and corrupted a VERY long time ago. Nowhere in the Quran does it say Allah demands that women have the stuffing beat out of them or executions for retarded reasons. Sharia law is the ignorant, brutal, douchy "behead all infidels" form of Islam that somehow gained a foothold of a large portion of the middle east. 70 years ago, was sharia so prominent in this region? No. You want to know which who aided the countries that immediately imposed sharia law after knocking out the previously established government and placing themselves in it's place? The U.S. Countries with sharia law are the same countries that are ran by greedy, brutal dictators.

Originally posted by Malynn

And if the ignorant people around here get to paint all of Islam with the same broad, ignorant brush I guess I can then safely start saying all Catholic Priests are pedophiles. Because it's the same thing.

If most Christians supported Catholic priests being pedophiles, we would be justified in portraying Christianity as a religion that supports pedophilia.

Most Christians do not support Catholic priests being pedophiles.

On the other hand, support for Sharia law is widespread in the Islamic world.

For instance,

• 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country

• 76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country

• 49% of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country

• 76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country

• 68% of Jordanians were of the opinion that Sharia should be the only source of national legislation.

• 65% of Palestinians were of the opinion that Sharia should be the only source of national legislation.

Worldpublicopinion
ICM Research
WND

Many Western Muslims also support Sharia law

For instance,

• 40% of British Muslims support Sharia law being introduced in areas of Britain which are pre-dominantly Muslim. 41% oppose this. 18% are undecided.

• 32 % of US Muslims believe Shariah should be the supreme law of the land in the United States. 39% felt that U.S. courts should consult Shariah law when adjudicating cases involving Muslims. 45% did not agree with this idea.

WND

Support for Sharia law is widespread in the Muslim world.

It isn't ignorant, as you claim, to paint the Islamic world and Muslims as supporting Sharia law. It is a statement of fact.

reply to post by bigman88


Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

Just a few verses on that. These are Muhammad btw.

Originally posted by Lostmymarbles

I asked people to be more thoughtful and not point fingers because each religion evolves at its own paste and that as bad as it may seem what is happening here, similar has been done before by those pointing fingers.

Similar things have been done by those pointing fingers? I think you will find that you are mistaken.

The people you accuse of doing the same thing (burning witches) have been dead for several hundred years.

On the other hand, the people who are being criticized on this thread for supporting the barbaric punishments under Sharia law are still very much alive.

It should also be borne in mind how intolerant of criticism Islam really is. Criticism of Islam in an Islamic country amounts to blasphemy. What are the penalties for criticizing Islam around the world?

• Afghanistan
penalties up to execution by hanging

• Algeria
years of imprisonment and a fine

• Egypt
may be punished by the death penalty

• Indonesia
maximum of five years imprisonment

• Iran
Prison sentence or Fatwa seeking death

• Jordan
imprisonment (up to three years) and a fine

• Kuwait
punishable by death

• Pakistan
Punishable by death

• Saudi Arabia
penalties up to the death penalty for blasphemy

• Sudan
imprisonment and a fine

• United Arab Emirates
Imprisonment up to 10 years. Since 1993 that Sharia punishments may not be imposed on non-Muslims.

• Yemen
accused in Yemen is subject to Islamic law (Sharia). Sharia, according to some interpretations, prescribes death as the proper punishment for blasphemy

Islam & Blasphemy

Islam is an intolerant religion that typically prevents criticism of itself by force of (Sharia) law. Penalties range up to execution.

Sorry Ollncasino. You may not believe this but I don't mean any offense by what I am about to say. But I'm gonna say it anyway. Whenever you post anything about Islam all I hear is "blah blah blah".

Yes, we know, you hate Islam. Yes, we know you want everyone else to as well.

My only response to that is: Don't like Islam? Don't convert.

You think Islam is barbaric? That is your right as an individual to think whatever you want. However, plenty of muslims who live in first world countries and live modern lives would very much disagree. See, all goat herder religions go through their own dark ages. Christianity just happened to stop burning witches first. You're well within your rights to feel all superior about that if you wish.

The bottom line being: what do the beliefs and actions of people you don't know on the other side of the planet have to do with the price of butter?

Unless of course you've appointed yourself the religion police? Or perhaps you're incredibly concerned about the souls of these poor brown people? Or is it you just like to look down your nose at them?

Originally posted by Malynn
Sorry Ollncasino. You may not believe this but I don't mean any offense by what I am about to say. But I'm gonna say it anyway. Whenever you post anything about Islam all I hear is "blah blah blah".

Yes, we know, you hate Islam. Yes, we know you want everyone else to as well.

My only response to that is: Don't like Islam? Don't convert.

Malynn,

No offense but your post amounts to a mere ad hominium attack. A personal attack.

Have you no facts to contribute to this thread? No polls, no examination of the history of Sharia law, no evidence of any understanding or study of Islam?

It appears you don't. Instead, all you appear to offer is spin and personal attacks.

Originally posted by Malynn
Unless of course you've appointed yourself the religion police? Or perhaps you're incredibly concerned about the souls of these poor brown people? Or is it you just like to look down your nose at them?

Poor brown people? Looking down my nose at them?

What are you on about?

Your post says much more about you than it does about me.

Originally posted by Malynn

The bottom line being: what do the beliefs and actions of people you don't know on the other side of the planet have to do with the price of butter?

Are you aware that

• Nearly Half of U.S. Muslims Believe That Critics of Muhammad Should Be Criminally Prosecuted

• 1 in 8 American Muslims polled believe that Muhammad's critics should face the death penalty.

• 58% of American Muslims polled said criticism of their religion or of Muhammad should not be allowed under the Constitution.

• 68% of British Muslims polled believe that people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

• 62% of British Muslims polled believe that freedom of speech should not be allowed if it insults Islam.

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Yet here you are arguing, without a hint of irony, that people should not be allowed to criticize Islam!

Clearly you hate freedom of speech.

reply to post by ollncasino


A witch burning happened just a few weeks ago, though I do not recall what religion those who burned the witch claimed to be. They are still searching for the suspects and it was somewhere in Southeast Asia I believe, I think it was Papua New Guinea. Irony for you if they happen to be Christians, seeing how you just said those that practice this horrific deed are all dead. But until they find the suspects we will never know.

Define "similar" as it is for you. Would you consider hangings, or that sort in that category? For me it includes anything in which another human being suffers at the hands of another, like water boarding, torture, etc.

Also I remember reading about how several young adults here in the states were being forced into asylums for their belief in God and Jesus. These are also events that are currently being done here in the U.S. But we shall ignore those...

Also I tire of linking stuff, so if you want a link do your own homework...

One of your statements confuse me, I think I know what your trying to say but not sure.

Originally posted by ollncasino
On the other hand, the people who are being criticized on this thread for supporting the barbaric punishments under Sharia law are still very much alive.

I do not recall reading any posts that state they support what is happening. I did read those that state that there is nothing that can be done because a law is a law and like everyplace, crazy politicians make crazy laws.

reply to post by LABTECH767


Were you there to see all this happen? An eyewitness? Or is this something someone told you?

Originally posted by Lostmymarbles

Were you there to see all this happen? An eyewitness? Or is this something someone told you?

I'm not sure about a number of the allegations he makes.

Nonetheless, the canonical Sunni Hadith does make it clear that Muhammad did sexually consummate his marriage to Aisha when she was 9 years old and he was 54.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

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Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

Of course, it was a different day and age. In those days it appears to have been normal for rich and powerful Muslim men in their 50s, living in Arabia, to have sex with 9 year olds.

reply to post by ollncasino


I've read that too and it wouldn't surprise me if that was true as sick as it may be, because the times were indeed different back then.

Though I try to keep an open mind about all the holy books out there. Some of the stories within seem like the writer was taking some real good acid or something like that, I mean seriously sign me up for a few of what they took. I want to see some of these things that they wrote about. Sadly because of human error, I do not believe any of the books are 100% accurate. Attribute it to either typos or mistranslations but it is hard for me to accept everything written in them, other then those which deal in teaching us to live good lives, help our neighbor, and likewise teachings.

reply to post by nolabel


Yeah... urgh... so this is where my cultural tolerance and relativism ends... actually a few steps before this sort of thing.

Religious dogma, law and human psychology are a toxic, toxic mix.

There seems to be no reasoning with some people. These types aren't only to be found under Islam, though. Many people wish to be Witchfinder Generals.