Dinosaurs Have Skyscrapers and Cellphones? Maybe.

I still remember my thoughts when I saw a timeline of life on Earth for the first time. Even as a child I said to myself, "how in the world have humans been here for so short a time and have the ability to make machines and incredibly complex technologies such as mastering the atom and flying to the moon?"

This line of thought really came to an explosion later in life in a University Neuroscience class on the evolution of the human brain, visual cortex etc.

I put my hand up and asked the professor and class, "if humans just appeared on Earth a little sliver of time ago, why didnt the Dinosaurs, who lived for like a hundred million years, why didnt they build skyscrapers and have cell phones?"

After a long pause the professor looked up at the class and answered, "who says they didn't?"

Needless to say this blew me away because he was 100% correct. How do we know what they did or had as a way of life on Earth? All we have are their bones/fossils, which are now so old they are rocks, to formulate theories about them and what they accomplished.

When it comes right down to it, nothing they ever accomplished to give us a good reliable theory about them has survived the millions of years.

Is it possible that a comet will someday wipe us out and hundreds of millions of years from now some being digs up a human bone fossil and says, "oh look, I found an old human arm fossil" and someone else responds, "ya those dumb things used to swing in trees and bark at each other. We think they may have even been able to dig termites out of logs with their oppose-able thumbs"

They would have absolutely no clues or evidence that we went to Mars or had cities, cellphones or anything. All they would find are fossils of us because everything else would be lost in time.

So reflect on that for a moment. Please do not flame me for suggesting Dinosaurs may have been more advanced than we are told because to simply accept that train of thought would be ignorant to facts.

If it is true that they were like dumb idiot lizard type bird things with no technology then why are humans so special? What caused humans to have these abilities so quickly? Intervention from other life forms? Creation by God type beings?

What are your thoughts on this subject?

reply to post by WormwoodSquirm


That, is a very interesting theory. I dont know about the Dinosaurs but i do think ancient civilizations were far more advanced then we know. We are interpreting thier language. Who's to say we are getting it right? What if what we think is a calander is really a grocery list or instructions? I wish we had a time machine that allowed us to look at the past. Not go their and interact due to we may change something, just a window to see what happened. Other then archeology.

No evidence for it, that is generaly why we think, dont know for sure, but think they did not have sky scrapers and cellphones. There is no evidence for it. Generaly when there is no evidence for something, we do not generaly accept it as being true. On account of there being zero evidence.

They would have absolutely no clues or evidence that we went to Mars or had cities

Pretty sure when they find the wreckage of industrial cargo container ships and crude carriers the length of 4 football pitches, they would more than likely piece it together.

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Have you seen planet of the Apes?

The Apes think they are the apex intelligence of all time..

Their archeologists dig up human toys that were invented 100s of years earlier at a lower level than their own history..

They don't believe the human guy that he is more intelligent, and that his race once ran the whole planet with giant cities.. At the end he finds the Statue of Liberty sticking up out of the sand.. It was almost completely buried..

Oh and to anyone thinking they would find evidence of these prior races, nothing we make would survive a million years, let alone 100 million... Stone could, maybe... Metal would be gone in just about 500 years or so, minus the good protective plated kind.. You aren't going to find any cell phones, no toasters.. No houses... Not even concrete would make it..

Who's to say some advanced lizards are not the Original flying saucer guys who david Icke talks about??

Seems they would be unpleased to come back here looking for survivors of the meteor impact they ran from to find a whole race of monkeys running the planet.. how could these dumb Apes take over.. Don't they know the superior lizards ran this place first? It's OURS!!!

They would have traveled very near the speed of light and so would not age relative to Earth time... This is exactly how the guy in the planet of the Apes lands back on earth in the future at the same age..

Ehh who knows, but I have this weird feeling civilization has come and gone many many many times... Some weird feeling I get..

Originally posted by Tuttle
No evidence for it, that is generaly why we think, dont know for sure, but think they did not have sky scrapers and cellphones. There is no evidence for it. Generaly when there is no evidence for something, we do not generaly accept it as being true. On account of there being zero evidence.

They would have absolutely no clues or evidence that we went to Mars or had cities

Pretty sure when they find the wreckage of industrial cargo container ships and crude carriers the length of 4 football pitches, they would more than likely piece it together.

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Cheers, this is why I find it hard to dismiss creation and or intervention by other worldly beings / Gods.

They would not find wreckage of anything, nothing. Zilch evidence would stand that amount of time. It is estimated that if humans disppeared today then the only evidence that would survive only a couple hundred thousand years is Mt Rushmore. Absolutely nothing he have ever made would be around for 65 million years.

Perhaps we should pay attention to this better than ancients did. We should build more Mt Rushmore type momuments only 1000 fold in size and longevity. Then we may leave something for whatever lies ahead.

We surely will not last forever and 65 million years from now something will be right where you are standing so perhaps we should try a little harder to leave evidence of how truly great humans became before their demise.

Perhaps we should use the moon where things remain unchanged for eons. We could leave giant messages or libraries on code on the surface.

Maybe ancients also realized this and have left clues for us somewhere. Maybe recent highly debated finds on mars and the moon aren't so far fetched.

Indeed an interesting theory and I agree with an above poster in that i believe ancient civilizations may well have been far more advanced than we give them credit for. However I think a lot of history we are taught is likely to be incorrect.

I think the problem is with what we know of how dinosaurs looked, do you think they would have had lets say the capabilities to hold tools and do precise building work? you ever seen a dinosaur that looked like it could wire a house?

EDIT: Possibilities of older civilizations more advanced is also interesting and plausible I guess. In relation to the period in which OP is talking about I still think its unlikely

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Perhaps the face on Mars is an example. I am pretty sure I read that old Sumerian tablets state that one of their creation Gods was placed in exile there and died on Mars and a recreation of his face was placed there in the rocks so nobody would ever forget him.?

I dont know how this topic got to this point but it is interesting.

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SnF Wormwood, and great way of thinking out of the box. I feel show's like "LIfe after Humans" Actually supports what you stated about the next civilization of whatever they are that find us. By the time they do everything would be deteriorated and the Earth would have taken back over. So nobody will ever really know for sure and that's why I feel as a civilization we haven't contributed or done anything close to what are Ancient's accomplished.

I.E: Any of the Massive Temple's and Pyramids for a starter, still around today~

I can't say that much about our deteriorating infrastructure throught the world that needs constant maintnance and fixing.

Though I don't know about Dinosaurs and Cell phones..... I guess I can't really say, but a cell phone would require opposable thumbs to grip so I'll go with no on that. But as far as everything else you stated~ Very well put.

Originally posted by WormwoodSquirm
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Perhaps the face on Mars is an example. I am pretty sure I read that old Sumerian tablets state that one of their creation Gods was placed in exile there and died on Mars and a recreation of his face was placed there in the rocks so nobody would ever forget him.?

I dont know how this topic got to this point but it is interesting.

You are talking about the Stitchin translations.. Many disagree with his idea of what the tablets say, but I tend to agree with him.. They actually fit with everything else I have looked into as far as I can tell. Maybe he made it up though, who knows..

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Cheers! Thank you!
This is one of the reasons I hit the refresh button on ATS' recent posts page quite often . I am always hoping to see evidence of long lost civilizations, how we got here, what we are, is there other life in the cosmos etc.

They would not find wreckage of anything, nothing. Zilch evidence would stand that amount of time.

Who says this?

You are trying to tell me we can find knuckle joints of creatures that lived tens of millions of years ago, but we would not be able to find something like the Pentagon building?

Im sorry but to me that does not make any sense.

Thats like saying in 65 million years people[or whatever] will find our graveyards but will miss the vast hundreds of square miles of industrial infrastructure that surround it.

Does not make a lot of sense to be honest.

By the way, we find fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old.

Man/civilization could be hundreds of millions of years old. Any evidence would likely have been recycled through plate tectonics. Man could have lived side by side with dinosaurs and been twenty feet tall. One disaster after another could have killed them off. Hell, we might all be Martians. Anybody that claims to know for a fact that the theories widely held today are the absolute truth are kidding themselves. I bet dolphins are actually smarter than humans. They just made better choices.

Originally posted by jimmiec
Man/civilization could be hundreds of millions of years old. Any evidence would likely have been recycled through plate tectonics.

What?

Anyway, kinda funny how all these fossils and bones we find are not "recycled through plate tectonics"

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Time is actually a factor and we have done very little exploration of the ocean floors. There is a huge man made structure that is over 14k years old off the coast of Japan that is not supposed to exist. The experts say that we were living in caves 14k years ago. We are fools to think that civilization is only a few thousand years old.

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Bit of a misconception that, but "experts" whoever they may be are more than likely referring to people who were basicaly totaly screwed and living in arctic tundra who basicaly had no choice but to live in caves or face death on the icey fields of total nightmare horrors.

Not knowing much about the state of civilization 20,000 years ago is not really cause to suggest dinosaurs were utilizing telecommunications and global satellite arrays.

Infact thats something, where are there dinosaur satellites???, where is there space junk? exactly?

Satellites can stay in orbit for millions and millions of years. Where are they?

Originally posted by Tuttle

They would not find wreckage of anything, nothing. Zilch evidence would stand that amount of time.

Who says this?

You are trying to tell me we can find knuckle joints of creatures that lived tens of millions of years ago, but we would not be able to find something like the Pentagon building?

Im sorry but to me that does not make any sense.

Thats like saying in 65 million years people[or whatever] will find our graveyards but will miss the vast hundreds of square miles of industrial infrastructure that surround it.

Does not make a lot of sense to be honest.

By the way, we find fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old.

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Yes it makes sense. Nothing would survive 65 million years except fossils. The pentagon building would not become a fossil.

Here is a great place to start for investigating longevity structures etc.
Life After People
The World Without US
If you havent seen this show check it out: If you skip right to 1hr20min and watch then end it will give you some good insight.

Originally posted by Tuttle

They would not find wreckage of anything, nothing. Zilch evidence would stand that amount of time.

Who says this?

You are trying to tell me we can find knuckle joints of creatures that lived tens of millions of years ago, but we would not be able to find something like the Pentagon building?

Im sorry but to me that does not make any sense.

Thats like saying in 65 million years people[or whatever] will find our graveyards but will miss the vast hundreds of square miles of industrial infrastructure that surround it.

Does not make a lot of sense to be honest.

By the way, we find fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old.

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Its pretty common knowledge... Even Discovery did a series regarding Civilization being destroyed and they had calculated that in less than 500 years (I cannot remember the exact time- I am stating 500 because it sounds right- Might be more but was less than 1000 for sure) there would be nothing left of NYC.

Dinosaur Fossils survive because they are essentially just stone which is generally covered up and safe from the elements.

Its an interesting theory, one I have thought about before. My take is that their brains were far too small- neanderthal man however- A completely different story. I believe in advanced Civilizations which probably did use high technology- That said, it is solely speculation with some circumstantial evidence.

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I'm sure the OP was throwing the cellphone thing out there for dramatics. The truth is that cellphones are destroying us. They might have been smart enough to forgo those.

Originally posted by jimmiec
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I'm sure the OP was throwing the cellphone thing out there for dramatics. The truth is that cellphones are destroying us. They might have been smart enough to forgo those.

For real too-
Now, a Dinosaur with an Ar-15 going completely mad due to cellphone radiation and wifi- THAT is a scary thought.