Dinosaurs Have Skyscrapers and Cellphones? Maybe.

reply to post by luciddream


I agree with you on that, I just have to keep an opened mind to all possibilites, unless something was to diminish any chance of a theory being correct then I can disregard it.

A question/ponder Ive come up with since my last post is IF a reptilain race did advance itself way beyond our current capabilities, where did the go? why did they go and by what means? Maybe in the cycles of creation and destruction they too wiped themselves out. Speculation, theories, ideas, good conversation. Thanks for the reply.

reply to post by stereologist


Pure speculation on my part here, was not my intention of presenting facts but to engage in the theory. We only know what we are told happened in history from "experts". No one was there to know for fact what happened. Even though science presents itself as a fact they could be wrong. But it is my understanding that humans have only existed in the thousands of years not millions so how is that timeframe incorrect?

Fish were around before dinosaurs and are still with us we might not expect something underwater to develope tech but if intelligence was likely maybe we could at least see some evidence of that which we don't

We have a good sense of their brain size, which is an indication of intelligence, as well as their ability to use tools. It suffices to say that dinosaurs were not advanced in any way. Additionally, we study their means of locomotion and it becomes clear that they were not very intelligent because bipedalism is a crucial factor in defining intelligence.

But you're right, we cannot truly "know" because we were not there. You would think, however, that if they were so intelligent they would have been more prepared for disaster or perhaps cultivated their own food source, like humans do via farms and slaughterhouses, as opposed to hunting.

reply to post by StratosFear

Pure speculation on my part here, was not my intention of presenting facts but to engage in the theory. We only know what we are told happened in history from "experts". No one was there to know for fact what happened. Even though science presents itself as a fact they could be wrong. But it is my understanding that humans have only existed in the thousands of years not millions so how is that timeframe incorrect?

You might want to look up fact to learn what it means.

No one had to be there to determine if dinosaurs had built buildings or anything else. Evidence is left behind. We know about dinosaurs laying eggs in nests. That's not exactly a building is it?

As for the length of time humans have been here it all depends on what you mean by humans. Humans split off from other apes millions of years ago. They began to make tools. They have evolved over time.

en.wikipedia.org...
6Ka civilization
50Ka modern behavior
200Ka modern physical form
.5Ma spread through Eurasia
1.8Ma Homo erectus
2.3Ma Homo habilis
4Ma Australopithecenes
7Ma split from apes

This is a process that has been going on for a long time. To claim that there was a sudden appearance a few thousand years ago is not the case. It took a while for the process to lead to humans and the changes in the structure of the brain took a long time as well.

reply to post by WormwoodSquirm


There are no stupid questions. Just stupid people. Why haven't all monkeys evolved into humans? Why haven't other animals evolved like humans? Why don't birds have SCUBA tanks?

Seriously though, humans are different animals and one of the only explanations that makes sense to me as to why other primates or animals haven't evolved like humans is that humans had an evolutionary head start, whether it was due to direct panspermia, or extra-terrestrial genetic engineering, or simply by accident, humans have a higher consciousness that allows us to think about thinking, dinosaurs didn't. Does that answer your dumb question?

No fossil fuels yet so probably Not. Electronics needs an electronics industry. Are skyscrapers really a solution? Earth was probably a nice vacation stop on the way to the outer rim for all those years.

Originally posted by WormwoodSquirm

Originally posted by Tuttle
No evidence for it, that is generaly why we think, dont know for sure, but think they did not have sky scrapers and cellphones. There is no evidence for it. Generaly when there is no evidence for something, we do not generaly accept it as being true. On account of there being zero evidence.

They would have absolutely no clues or evidence that we went to Mars or had cities

Pretty sure when they find the wreckage of industrial cargo container ships and crude carriers the length of 4 football pitches, they would more than likely piece it together.

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Cheers, this is why I find it hard to dismiss creation and or intervention by other worldly beings / Gods.

They would not find wreckage of anything, nothing. Zilch evidence would stand that amount of time. It is estimated that if humans disppeared today then the only evidence that would survive only a couple hundred thousand years is Mt Rushmore. Absolutely nothing he have ever made would be around for 65 million years.

Perhaps we should pay attention to this better than ancients did. We should build more Mt Rushmore type momuments only 1000 fold in size and longevity. Then we may leave something for whatever lies ahead.

We surely will not last forever and 65 million years from now something will be right where you are standing so perhaps we should try a little harder to leave evidence of how truly great humans became before their demise.

Yes the evidence would be gone, especially if you include the many climate and atmospheric and solar changes that would be gone through over time by any "evidence'.

lets not forget about the ampfibians, which were or one of the first species to walk on land, slowly evolved into 2 legged walking lizards. However, this is good stuff to imagine about, but there are no fossils of bipedal ampfibians. Or are there?

If these so called ampfibians did evolve and lets say they had space technology they maybe saw the meteor coming and they ventured to the stars, where they might've find a new planet to live. Or they died out too.

Anyway, it would be a good explanation for these so called reptillians.

Good thread, seems like old ATS is coming back again.

dont we have non bio degradable plastics and stuff that would last millenia? plus gold artifacts and stuff like that would still be recognizable wouldn't they? i am pretty sure that humanity will have left its mark as an intelligent species or un intelligent lol also the organized manner as to which humans are buried en masse should also be an indicator of intelligence. i think there would be several clues left by us to prove we were an intelligent species. if the dinosaurs were a highly intelligent i believe we would have proof of that as well.

I see what you did there with your theory.

It is an interesting thing to point out...that if we have accomplished so much in so little time, who is to say that another set of creatures that inhabited this planet for far longer than we have couldn't or didn't advance in some way?

Cell phones and skyscrapers may be a little much but I get your point.

You asked what made us different. What I believe sets us apart is a sense of self-awareness...but I can't speculate on whether extinct species had a sense of self-awareness because for all we know, they could have...but I have my doubts.

Nice thread, OP. S+F

Yes and zombies killed off the dinosaurs not a giant asteroid who says the didn't!.

Anyone can say anything does not make it true and the fact is dinosaurs did not have cell phones,nor sky scrapers.

That opposable thumb is what set mankind apart from the animal kingdom right along with that "brain"..

No maybes about that the ability to make tools is what led to the current level of technology.

reply to post by WormwoodSquirm


They already did build monuments bigger than Mount Rushmore. But they say they were built at a max of 12 000 years ago. Which in itself is hard to swallow. Think about this. If 12 000 years ago man invented the wheel and had just exited the last ice age, how would they have been able to to build such temples as Puma Punku with out the wheel? Look at all this craftsmanship not to mention the size of those blocks. There are so many places on Earth that suggest we were so much more advanced than we suspected but since it doesn't conform to the established decorum they fabricate or totally dismiss the facts all together.

Originally posted by WormwoodSquirm
They would not find wreckage of anything, nothing. Zilch evidence would stand that amount of time. It is estimated that if humans disppeared today then the only evidence that would survive only a couple hundred thousand years is Mt Rushmore. Absolutely nothing he have ever made would be around for 65 million years.

Perhaps we should pay attention to this better than ancients did. We should build more Mt Rushmore type momuments only 1000 fold in size and longevity. Then we may leave something for whatever lies ahead.

We surely will not last forever and 65 million years from now something will be right where you are standing so perhaps we should try a little harder to leave evidence of how truly great humans became before their demise.

Just wanted to mention that there would be evidence in the form of fossils. If they had cell phones, towers and crazy technology, there's a good chance we'd find it fossilized at some point. Also based on brain to body ratio, dinosaurs for the most part did not have the intellectual capacity to think on the level that we do. Now that's not saying that a race of intelligent dinosaur-like humanoids couldn't have evolved, because it's possible they did and that we just haven't found them yet. If they were a global dominating species, like humans today, we'd surely find some form of evidence. Apparently they weren't smart enough to survive the extinction level event, unless they just left the planet. Who knows? Maybe they left for Mars, then another disaster hit there and they got royally screwed.

Originally posted by Atzil321
Some satellites will be in orbit around earth for billions of years...

Since 1963, more than eight hundred spacecraft have been launched into geosynchronous orbit, forming a man-made ring of satellites around the Earth. These satellites are destined to become the longest-lasting artifacts of human civilization, quietly floating through space long after every trace of humanity has disappeared from the planet.

They have placed a time capsule on one of them for the last pictures project.

Trevor Paglen’s The Last Pictures is a project that marks one of these spacecraft with a visual record of our contemporary historical moment. Paglen spent five years interviewing scientists, artists, anthropologists, and philosophers to consider what such a cultural mark should be. Working with materials scientists at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Paglen developed an artifact designed to last billions of years—an ultra-archival disc, micro-etched with one hundred photographs and encased in a gold-plated shell. In Fall 2012, the communications satellite EchoStar XVI will launch into geostationary orbit with the disc mounted to its anti-earth deck. While the satellite’s broadcast images are as fleeting as the light-speed radio waves they travel on, The Last Pictures will remain in outer space slowly circling the Earth until the Earth itself is no more.

Some more info and a video here at vimeo: vimeo.com...

Wow, love it. Perhaps that's the kind of thing we should be looking for as evidence of long lost past civilizations. If we were to learn that we indeed go through cycles of near extinction and repeatedly bounce back to a high level of technology over and over then perhaps if we actually find proof of this we can focus our efforts on minimizing whatever destruction routinely occurs. We could rush to setup huge basis on the moon and mars Europa etc to save more than usually make it.

Originally posted by Tuttle
No evidence for it, that is generaly why we think, dont know for sure, but think they did not have sky scrapers and cellphones. There is no evidence for it. Generaly when there is no evidence for something, we do not generaly accept it as being true. On account of there being zero evidence.

They would have absolutely no clues or evidence that we went to Mars or had cities

Pretty sure when they find the wreckage of industrial cargo container ships and crude carriers the length of 4 football pitches, they would more than likely piece it together.

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Better tell all the theoretical physicists out there to quit. String theory? Meh!

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absense.

Originally posted by stereologist
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Survive few thousands years maybe, but not over 100-200 million years, Heck humans can't even comprehend that amount of time.. our peak of technological advanced is only 400yrs.... not even a pixel in the grand scheme.

We find lithic tools from man from millions of years ago. We find and identify traces of food from tens of thousands of years ago. We can determine the gut contents of hundreds of millions of years old creatures. This disappear without a trace claim is false.

Well what they ate doesnt give us a clue to the possibility that they were more advanced than we think.
Future: "Oh look this fossilized human ate a salad and sushi." This does not tell them we had skycrapers or cellphones during our era.

Originally posted by Tuttle
No evidence for it, that is generaly why we think, dont know for sure, but think they did not have sky scrapers and cellphones. There is no evidence for it. Generaly when there is no evidence for something, we do not generaly accept it as being true. On account of there being zero evidence.

They would have absolutely no clues or evidence that we went to Mars or had cities

Pretty sure when they find the wreckage of industrial cargo container ships and crude carriers the length of 4 football pitches, they would more than likely piece it together.

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The time of the dinosaurs ended around 144 million years ago. If a race were to come around to Earth that long after the human race has become extinct, there would be nothing left of the once vast global infrastructure. Hell, they'd be lucky to find fossils of our remains, but they would.

Originally posted by Josephus
I think we would have found traces of dinosaur tech by now if they had possesed any. In his book The World Without Us Alan Weisman says that once the works of man at diverting water has been undone and alluvial plains become river beds objects such as tires, fire hydrants, apartments, and office buildings will be encapsulated in silt preserving them indefinitely unearthed eons later by new streams and rivers from new mountains.

Also radio waves, the pioneer plaques and the voyager records will likely outlive the Earth itself.

The World Without Us Page 18 & Pages 249-254

Actually radio waves dissipate to only noise after only a million or 2 light years even in space vacuum which is not even far enough to reach our nearest star neighbors. This is why you cant hear San Francisco radio stations in New York.
Radio Waves Link 1
Nova | The Search for ET: Expert Q&A

Originally posted by jimmiec
Man/civilization could be hundreds of millions of years old. Any evidence would likely have been recycled through plate tectonics. Man could have lived side by side with dinosaurs and been twenty feet tall. One disaster after another could have killed them off. Hell, we might all be Martians. Anybody that claims to know for a fact that the theories widely held today are the absolute truth are kidding themselves. I bet dolphins are actually smarter than humans. They just made better choices.

i agree with a lot of what you say. Indeed I often muse to myself who is more intelligent, dolphins, apes, or humans. The former two can feed and look after themselves, they don't work, don't have debt, don't become disconnected from nature. So maybe coming down from the trees was the most stupid thing we ever did.

However I do feel that the OPs premise is wrong in the period highlighted. You'd have to go back much further than dinosaurs to be certain we wouldn't find evidence. Though of course that relies on the incorrect assumption that those in charge don't manipulate history and keep certain knowledge secret. All the civilisations we know of had a heirrarchy and those at the top held on to their power through the manipulation of knowledge and the keeping of secrets. you only need to look at the priest classes and proto-masons who could magically cause an eclipse of the sun.

Another argument against developed historical civilisations that doesn't hold water is the claim that we find no metal and worked stone. Well after a civilisation collapse and a loss of knowledge these items would be highly valued and recycled. If I as a stone age man found a buried shard of metal I'd blooming well dig it up and guard it with my life and as a result I'd have a major survival advantage over my other cave buddies.