Most important thing I've ever written, and possibly the most important thing you'll ever read

Originally posted by bottleslingguy

Originally posted by RobbyMcGill

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by RobbyMcGill

 

let's get past the history recap and figure out how to do it realistically

I did get past the history recap about halfway through the entirety of the post, I know it took more than a couple blocks, but I outlined what I thought the solution would be, hope you get a chance to read through it.

maybe you can update me on the solutions maybe a quick outline of the main points? seriously why bury the main part in stuff we already know?

start on the block that begins with this paragraph if you wish to get to where I start laying out the solutions i see:

It is essential that we understand that no single person or corporation has the right to hoard information and resources so a few can benefit. Every product built is built from resources gathered from our mother earth, and every idea thought of is the product of thousands of years of a society growing. All discoveries, all technologies, all advancements are the accumulation of a society's and a species's growth, how can one person lay claim to it and profit from it?

thanks.

reply to post by hawkiye


will read the article soon, thanks for welcoming me to the fold, hope I'm able to contribute some to the plight

Originally posted by RobbyMcGill

Originally posted by bottleslingguy

Originally posted by RobbyMcGill

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by RobbyMcGill

 

let's get past the history recap and figure out how to do it realistically

I did get past the history recap about halfway through the entirety of the post, I know it took more than a couple blocks, but I outlined what I thought the solution would be, hope you get a chance to read through it.

maybe you can update me on the solutions maybe a quick outline of the main points? seriously why bury the main part in stuff we already know?

start on the block that begins with this paragraph if you wish to get to where I start laying out the solutions i see:

It is essential that we understand that no single person or corporation has the right to hoard information and resources so a few can benefit. Every product built is built from resources gathered from our mother earth, and every idea thought of is the product of thousands of years of a society growing. All discoveries, all technologies, all advancements are the accumulation of a society's and a species's growth, how can one person lay claim to it and profit from it?

thanks.

ok then we can start from there: how do we enforce that philosophy (of which I happen to agree)?

Originally posted by MajorKarma
I'd say something but, you've used up all he words.

Hold it, just realized there were a few words you missed; How about Marxist, Socialist, Luciferian and Nationalist Socialist Party....because bud, what you have written here is right out of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler.

edit on 17-2-2013 by MajorKarma because: (no reason given)

I hardly used up ALL the words! but I do know that I'm testing the patience of community!

I'm not too familiar to the writings in Mein Kampf, I know what I'm describing is similar to communism, only in the fact that my ideas are similar to the theirs of sharing all resources, technologies and discoveries. However, the ideas do differ in some key ways, they do not call for a complete abolishment of currency, nor do they believe that knowledge needs to be open and accessible to all.

however, if our government truly is actively working in league with corporations, banks, the nwo or whoever you want to place at the top of this pyramid, to ensure the populace stays under their control, wouldn't they put a strong stigma against these ideas, oh wait they did. And if that's the case, wouldn't it worth being suspicious of? I mean it wasn't long ago, and probably still hold true today, that to call some one a communist is similar to calling them a traitor, is really being a traitor to your nation, a nation that says the people have the right to their beliefs, to believe in a system that is fair for all? most people don't even know why being called a communist is an insult, but they sure know that it is

if that is the case, then I need to question the stigma of hitler as well, by no means assume that I'm saying i'm a supporter, i'm just saying that if he had similar ideas, and our leaders don't want us sharing those ideas, it is not above them to lie about his atrocities during war, do i think he was evil, going by the light history has painted, of course i do. but if i recall correctly it was the U.S that dropped the big bombs, how come those crimes aren't seen in such a similar light?

reply to post by bottleslingguy


this is the part where word of mouth, preaching and waking up the nation comes in. we're so used to this NOT being the case, that most have to be "slapped" over the back of the head. it won't change if it's not spoken out.

Originally posted by Plotus
Mr. McGill...... what you say is very likely the hopes and aspirations of the many, but those not well spoken.

I can't help but notice the immediate attack on your Thread, the spelling, the placement of a coma, the spacing of paragraphs, anything and everything but something of substance. Anything that might discredit.
You have articulated well, and upon the primary issues that are the cause of the our great nations slip into the abyss. Designed by the hierarchy to create division, and is one of the great tactics used by despots is to divide and conquer.
On a speculative note, or more accurately something to be related to our recent Mayan prophecy, or in that context, was the thought of a "New Awakening'. Your Thread appeared to propose a path consistent with that path. After all, a New Awakening won't come off of Ebay or Amazon for only $12.95 in paperback or $19.95 in hardbound. It won't just drop in the peoples lap. It will come from Visionaries. It will fill the void and bring hope, and not the Illusion of 'hope' brandied about by talking heads and politicians.

It will come from the hearts of people willing to look for seek and embrace change.
I think you have opened a door to the possibility of change, a door opened to shedding past indoctrinations and traditions, a door filled with the possibility of a far better world and a mindset. I for one subscribe to your visions of change, and possibilities. I have lived in a time when freedoms in America were still intact, and I have watched the slow erosion generation after generation, with no real champion for change. One thing I have never abandoned is GOD, nor has He abandoned Me.

edit on 17-2-2013 by Plotus because: (no reason given)

thank you so much for your words and encouragement! I can say the same about God, I'm not religious in the sense of most, but I am spiritual, I feel forces do watch, guide and protect. However, they do not perpetrate change, just give the courage to take the step in change.

thank you again

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I'm sorry, I initially misread your post, to enforce this philosophy would be to simply incorporate it into the society. Abolish the need for corporations to hoard these resources and knowledge. Once introduced, create a new bill of rights where they are protected.

Originally posted by Dutcheagle
Great thread it really was my time worth reading and it made me aware( for the parts i wasnt aware of) so thank you for that.Although everything is well explained i doubt enough people will actually do something with it
even though i hope so.S&F and saved on my comp

thank you, maybe responses like this would get the people who just skimmed it to give it a full read, that'll be a good start for me

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thank you

Originally posted by RobbyMcGill
reply to post by bottleslingguy

 

I'm sorry, I initially misread your post, to enforce this philosophy would be to simply incorporate it into the society. Abolish the need for corporations to hoard these resources and knowledge. Once introduced, create a new bill of rights where they are protected.

I'm not trying to obfuscate the issue but again how do we actually "incorporate" the philosophy and "abolish the need"? see what I am looking for? I agree any "revolution" has to start with realizing there needs to be a revolution but how do we actually make the corporations bow to our demands especially when we keep feeding into their plans? we can't even agree on a specific source to focus our attentions. I think Ron Paul is right about one major factor (in the US) being the Federal Reserve system. Look at how hard that is to change.

There's no need for an "armed" revolution. We can successfully revolt without firing a single shot. If we all stock up a 6 month supply of necessities such as food, meds, cigs, fuel, diapers, etc., and spend every last one of our pennies to help the less fortunate do the same...

Then we can simply pick a date (June 1st sounds good to me) and just stop. Instead of going to work and shopping in the stores, we'll have a week long super party to celebrate the realization of our power and the system we are about to put in place.

Even if only a few million of us participate here in the states, the energy taken out of the system would be enough to bring the whole thing to a grinding halt within a couple of weeks.

What we are lacking is a well laid out plan on how this system would work and how to implement it. Of course the transition is going to be the hardest part, but the generation to take this step will go down in history as the greatest of all.

Originally posted by RobbyMcGill
reply to post by bottleslingguy

 

this is the part where word of mouth, preaching and waking up the nation comes in. we're so used to this NOT being the case, that most have to be "slapped" over the back of the head. it won't change if it's not spoken out.

I agree. maybe the problem is the answer lies in eventually changing mindsets of generations and it can't happen overnight as some would like to see. Maybe you and I (don't know how old you are) will never see it.

There is a myth that civilization allowed us to have more leisure time. In fact the opposite is true. Pre Roman European tribes used like 25 percent of their time for a hunter gatherer existence and as a result had a lot of leisure time. When the Romans introduced "civilization" working became much harder as a large percentage went to taxes and tribute to the nobles and the state, and leisure time went down to below 20 percent. Because civilization breaks our connection with free access to the Earth and its resources, which is our BIRTHRIGHT which has been stolen from us. Think about it, if you lived in a "tribe" with access to water, and land which you could either hunt fish or farm yourself, suddenly there is no need for money, and bartering can easily take its place. You hit the nail on the head,we do NOT live in a classless society, we are basically living in a system of institutionalized self perpetuating free range slavery, which has been in existence for centuries, and is so well hidden that most people don't realize it. Its not so much a conspiracy as a system that allows the present structure of society to exist as it does.Will it change in our lifetimes? I doubt it. There are now far too many people on Earth for us to go back to living off the land. All the land is "owned" by a few individuals.The only things I can see to put some cracks in the walls of system as it stands is: 1. affordable solar power that would allow someone to completely power their house without needs for external energy sources, 2. Development of some sort of miniaturized food production technology modular gardening and aquaculture, possibly some form of communal food production, that people could use to become at least semi self reliant and to reduce dependance on factory food production. There should be an imperative for free education from kindergarten through college, to give EVERYONE , not just the children of the privileged, a chance to compete for good employment.The idea of community needs to be rediscovered promoted and embraced, as well as the concept of working for the common good in the place you live. Mass transit needs to be developed so it can REPLACE the automobile in large part, in effect eliminating dependence on fossil fuels and a huge reduction in expenses for people who currently depend on cars for all their transportation. In addition our society tends to isolate people from one another simply by the way it is structured, neighbors in many places don't even know each other.Keeping us divided and isolated from each other keeps us less empowered. This is an unnatural state for human beings.In addition, people will have to educate themselves and their children on how to save money and as much as possible to recognize and not fall into debt slavery when possible. If instead of using credit cards, people could start to create cash flow from savings for themselves instead of depending on credit and loans, that could start a very powerful trend and the cumulative effect of millions of people doing this cannot be underestimated. If we could do just these things it would start to lessen our dependence on the system in place. The only other way there might be a change is a societal collapse, and I think for several decades it would be the Mad Max scenario. I think the only way things are going to change is from the bottom up. We have to as individuals and communities, remake the societal DNA of our society so it serves us all instead of a ruling cabal. That's not communism, that's democracy. if change starts locally, and that catches on all over the place, maybe we can live in a better world eventually. Until then our chains remain. Its going to take a long time but I think it will happen and it seems to be already underway to an extent. Thank God, people are starting to wake up.

thanks for taking the time to read, and I agree with your view, however, I don't see materialism vanishing (not in our lifetime at least) but if we can create a system where it doesn't have to be coveted like it is now then we'll be on the right track

reply to post by RobbyMcGill


Your heart is obviously burdened, so of course, I will read and listen to what your heart is telling you. Its also important to me.

Know this though..... You may not see materialism vanishing soon, but nature has a way (governing laws) of correcting her vitality. She will make it happen and the human will no longer be able to rape her for her resources for said materialism. Man against man? It cannot continue and nature will correct it. It always has... and will continue to do so.

When a natural catastrophe happens, then human kind will come together and build a better future.

Originally posted by bottleslingguy

Originally posted by RobbyMcGill
reply to post by bottleslingguy

 

I'm sorry, I initially misread your post, to enforce this philosophy would be to simply incorporate it into the society. Abolish the need for corporations to hoard these resources and knowledge. Once introduced, create a new bill of rights where they are protected.

I'm not trying to obfuscate the issue but again how do we actually "incorporate" the philosophy and "abolish the need"? see what I am looking for? I agree any "revolution" has to start with realizing there needs to be a revolution but how do we actually make the corporations bow to our demands especially when we keep feeding into their plans? we can't even agree on a specific source to focus our attentions. I think Ron Paul is right about one major factor (in the US) being the Federal Reserve system. Look at how hard that is to change.

the key is once the masses are ready to demand the change, there's really only two places we can go from there, the corporations giving into the demands, and the nation building a new society off the old. if our demands are not met, then we need to be prepared to bring on the arms, if we are not steadfast in this belief, then change will surely allude us

if we have the masses on our side, then the smaller business can prove to the bigger ones that this system will work, they can offer their products and services for that of other business, and share those the trading with their employees...in fact companies already do this, companies barter all the time, it's something not a lot of people are aware of, but services get traded, with no money being transferred between them (kind of ironic actually that they are so strongly against such a system in a society, yet they employee it amongst themselves)

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great response, I actually wanted to touch on how hunter and gatherer tribes lived, but feared it would have gotten convoluted with everything else. Since you brought it up, I do agree, however, where I disagree with you is that I feel the advances and technologies that we have created since these days will allow us to sustain a similar society with the population numbers we're seeing.

Solar power is getting increasingly cheaper, and we are capable of manufacturing so much more. I had a thought, an idea, that if everybody's home had solar paneling for the roofs, then even if it's not enough to provide all the electrical needs of the house, it will certainly be enough to take care of all the lightings, and small appliances, especially with more and more devices becoming energy efficient, plus solar panel roofs would look so much more sleek and modern than shingles! There's also a company that is currently in the process of manufacturing solar cells that can collect the suns energy on regular glass windows. With innovations like this, we can have solar panels on our car windows and sun roofs and windshields, even sun glasses! The energy these cells produce may not be a lot, but when multiplied by all the windows we can see, well then we're collecting energy! check this out

I don't see a need for a new food source, we have the technology to localize farming in any area on the globe, we have greenhouses, and we know a thousand irrigation techniques. we have experts in the field that can advise, design and develop areas where we can grow our food locally, and we can share these gifts with the world. As it is now, we leave major farming companies in charge of the worlds food. we ship these products all over the world. if these companies have a bad year, we can be screwed...isn't the saying "don't put all your eggs in one basket'?

again, free education would come with open and accessible knowledge. we have the technology where everyone can walk around with a powerful computer smaller than a magazine that access the world wide web, surely we can this very network to build an all encompassing knowledge database, full of lectures, explanations and the whole 9 yards! it's there, we just need to make it happen

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thank you for your words

Originally posted by RobbyMcGill

Originally posted by MajorKarma
I'd say something but, you've used up all he words.

Hold it, just realized there were a few words you missed; How about Marxist, Socialist, Luciferian and Nationalist Socialist Party....because bud, what you have written here is right out of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler.

edit on 17-2-2013 by MajorKarma because: (no reason given)

I hardly used up ALL the words! but I do know that I'm testing the patience of community!

I'm not too familiar to the writings in Mein Kampf, I know what I'm describing is similar to communism, only in the fact that my ideas are similar to the theirs of sharing all resources, technologies and discoveries. However, the ideas do differ in some key ways, they do not call for a complete abolishment of currency, nor do they believe that knowledge needs to be open and accessible to all.

however, if our government truly is actively working in league with corporations, banks, the nwo or whoever you want to place at the top of this pyramid, to ensure the populace stays under their control, wouldn't they put a strong stigma against these ideas, oh wait they did. And if that's the case, wouldn't it worth being suspicious of? I mean it wasn't long ago, and probably still hold true today, that to call some one a communist is similar to calling them a traitor, is really being a traitor to your nation, a nation that says the people have the right to their beliefs, to believe in a system that is fair for all? most people don't even know why being called a communist is an insult, but they sure know that it is

if that is the case, then I need to question the stigma of Hitler as well, by no means assume that I'm saying i'm a supporter, i'm just saying that if he had similar ideas, and our leaders don't want us sharing those ideas, it is not above them to lie about his atrocities during war, do i think he was evil, going by the light history has painted, of course i do. but if i recall correctly it was the U.S that dropped the big bombs, how come those crimes aren't seen in such a similar light?

edit on 17-2-2013 by RobbyMcGill because: (no reason given)

RobbyMcGill,

I can see that you are impassioned and most likely sincere but, you young man and I do also sense that you are a young man, are traveling upon a well traveled path that leads to a mine containing nothing but fools gold.

It is not that what you say is not true, it is true to a great extent but, fails in that it depends upon a world of "Bothers" and you are not my brother; of common interests and our interests are not in common; of all men being and prepared to be honorable, equal and there are very few of these. Put even more simply terms and assuming by some miracle that the "Owners and Controllers" were suddenly and miraculously wiped from the face of the earth and their minions to have a change of heart and not step forward to assume the reins of their former masters, it would inevitable be only a matter of time until the wealth and power of this world would again be accumulated in the hands of a few. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, these are examples of this truth and that you have not yet done enough reading or living, or you would know this for yourself.

Your thoughts and observations are shared by others, of late the The Zeitgeist Movement Global


I have two pieces of advice for you 1) Use Spell Checker; poor spelling will only give your detractors any easy means to discount and discharge you and 2) Worry about perfecting yourself and let the world run its course or as it says in the Bible, remove the log from your own eye before turning it upon the world and others.

I could spend more time bantering rhetorical BS back and forth with you but, this Old Man is convinced the only Utopia that can ever be obtained will come after the near destruction of this civilization and the survivors building it up from the ashes.

Nevertheless, good luck, watch out for the loose boulders, pits and snakes ahead, as the road ahead has many of them.

Oh yes, welcome aboard, you will find many in similar canoes.

Originally posted by MajorKarma

Originally posted by RobbyMcGill

Originally posted by MajorKarma
I'd say something but, you've used up all he words.

Hold it, just realized there were a few words you missed; How about Marxist, Socialist, Luciferian and Nationalist Socialist Party....because bud, what you have written here is right out of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler.

edit on 17-2-2013 by MajorKarma because: (no reason given)

I hardly used up ALL the words! but I do know that I'm testing the patience of community!

I'm not too familiar to the writings in Mein Kampf, I know what I'm describing is similar to communism, only in the fact that my ideas are similar to the theirs of sharing all resources, technologies and discoveries. However, the ideas do differ in some key ways, they do not call for a complete abolishment of currency, nor do they believe that knowledge needs to be open and accessible to all.

however, if our government truly is actively working in league with corporations, banks, the nwo or whoever you want to place at the top of this pyramid, to ensure the populace stays under their control, wouldn't they put a strong stigma against these ideas, oh wait they did. And if that's the case, wouldn't it worth being suspicious of? I mean it wasn't long ago, and probably still hold true today, that to call some one a communist is similar to calling them a traitor, is really being a traitor to your nation, a nation that says the people have the right to their beliefs, to believe in a system that is fair for all? most people don't even know why being called a communist is an insult, but they sure know that it is

if that is the case, then I need to question the stigma of Hitler as well, by no means assume that I'm saying i'm a supporter, i'm just saying that if he had similar ideas, and our leaders don't want us sharing those ideas, it is not above them to lie about his atrocities during war, do i think he was evil, going by the light history has painted, of course i do. but if i recall correctly it was the U.S that dropped the big bombs, how come those crimes aren't seen in such a similar light?

edit on 17-2-2013 by RobbyMcGill because: (no reason given)

RobbyMcGill,

I can see that you are impassioned and most likely sincere but, you young man and I do also sense that you are a young man, are traveling upon a well traveled path that leads to a mine containing nothing but fools gold.

It is not that what you say is not true, it is true to a great extent but, fails in that it depends upon a world of "Bothers" and you are not my brother; of common interests and our interests are not in common; of all men being and prepared to be honorable equal and they are none of these. Put even more simply and a assuming by some miracle that the "Owners and Controllers" were suddenly and miraculously wiped from the face of the earth and their minions to have a change of heart and not step forward to assume the reins of their former masters, it would inevitable be only a matter of time until the wealth and power of this world would again be accumulated in the hands of a few. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, these are examples of this truth and that you have not yet done enough reading or living, or you would know this for yourself.

Your thoughts and observations are shared by others, of late the The Zeitgeist Movement Global

I have two pieces of advice for you 1) Use Spell Checker; poor spelling will only give your detractors any easy means to discount and discharge you and 2) Worry about perfecting yourself and let the world run its course or as it says in the Bible, remove the log from your own eye before turning it about the world and others.

I could spend more time bantering rhetorical BS back and forth with you but this Old Man is convinced the only Utopia can every be obtained after the near destruction of this civilization and the survivors building up from the ashes.


Nevertheless, good luck, watch out for the loose boulders and snakes ahead.

edit on 17-2-2013 by MajorKarma because: (no reason given)

I agree that altruism is in short supply, but that doesnt mean we cant evolve to be more altruistic. At one point humans didnt have language, we developed it to be able to survive better. We learned how to make fire and tools for the same reason. If learning to work together in the future is contingent on our survival, we will do it. We dont have to see society collapse to do so. That is what the system wants people to think so they can dismiss positive change. Sorry I don't buy it.