Cop-Killer Chris Dorner a hero?

Originally posted by TKDRL
Hero? Nah, just seems like another decent person drove to insanity by the insane upside down world we live in. This time however, it was someone with a bit of destructive skills, and put them to some use, allegedly.

Why people would look at him as a hero? Well, because he decided to try and do something about it. Maybe not the right thing, but something. It's pretty sad when there aren't a whole lot of good guys to cheer for anymore.

the above post summed it up for me and how i see it.

If there ever comes a day where someone that has been wronged by the system goes after the CEOs of the bankers like HSBC who laundered money for Cartels and terrorists I will be cheering for them but to go after people family is nothing a hero would do.

Dorner didn’t even go after the people he blamed.

Originally posted by Violater1
I was reading through some of the blogs about Chris Dorner, and here is what I found.
michellemalkin.com...
"Believe it or not, Dorner has a group of supporters, and some of them are reported to be showing up in the area of the standoff with “don’t kill Dorner” signs. "
and, "On February 12th, 2013 at 8:52 pm, Ralph Gizzip said: As I caught the news reports this afternoon I heard the police ordered a halt to all live video news feeds. I’m sorry to say the first thought that went through my mind was, “It’s so there are no witnesses to what the police are going to do.” Now we see the cabin is engulfed in flames. Hmmm … Branch Davidian BBQ anyone?"
Then from another site, we have this quote:
www.csmonitor.com...
"As of Monday, the triple-murder suspect had more than 70 Facebook fan pages, some of them with thousands of likes. Many people were going on those pages to call him an American hero, a man of true conviction who is fighting for his beliefs. Others praised him for attempting to fight injustice and racism "by any means necessary," quoting the expression popularized by Malcom X during the 1960s Black Power movement."

The Huffington Post
www.huffingtonpost.com...
states," Call it the "Dark Knight Complex." In the age of the Internet and social media, behind certain high-profile alleged murderers, there are loyal fans. Supporters of Christopher Dorner, the former LA policeman turned "cop killer," have shown up online, with tweets and fan pages on Facebook. Some call Dorner a "hero" for writing a manifesto alleged on racism and corruption within the LAPD."

Lastly (because I can't stomach anymore of this crap) is from the Inquisitr. They are useing the information from
the Dorner Facebook fanpage
www.inquisitr.com...
" #Dorner is not a violent crazy man with a gun. But a hero, who is fighting fire with fire, for all of us who have been victimized by LAPD.
— El Monte Blanco (@ElMonteBlanco) February 8, 2013

#Dorner is an American hero, uncovering the racist pigs.#lapd are the criminals #darkknight
— Sally The Slut (@Sallytheslut1) February 9, 2013

Christopher Dorner is a hero. Realest # he ever wrote. Bless his soul. abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=184…
— Mike B Dot (@whos_mikeB) February 9, 2013"

All I see is a murderer.

A martyer is what I was thinking.

I told you what would happen

Originally posted by Grimpachi
He was many things but calling him a hero absolutely not. There is nothing about him that was worthy of being called a hero.

Wow Grimpch, we actually agree on something here.

I really can't say if this man is a hero, or a murderer. Considering I only know about him what the most deceptive arm of the corporate world, and right arm of government has told me. I see they're calling him a "cop killer". As if now he's even worse because he didn't just kill a citizen. He killed a COP. Citizens are worth less points you know.

What I can see is, this is what happens to whistle blowers. They destroy your credibility, and your life. Unless you have walked in someones shoes who has had big brother literally destroy your life to the point you have nothing left, you have little room to judge.

We have no idea if this man, and his family were threatened with their own lives. Which is frequently the case with whistle blowers. They receive threats. I would say many of you would go off the deep end as well, IF this were the case. Especially if you knew the person(s) making the threat.

Again. My point being. We don't know a damned thing about this man, and what has transpired that hasn't come out into the open yet. Whatever he is. Villain or hero. He is that to us, because that's what he has been made out to be.

reply to post by Violater1


A hero?

Volunteering time to a homeless shelter not because you have to, that is a hero. Find a family in need and slip 100 bucks under their door and never reveal your identity, that is a hero. Raise a child that is not your own as if it was your own, that is a hero. Put yourself at great personal risk physically or financially to help others when it is not your job and when it is easier to just walk away, that is a hero.

Dorner was an ex cop pushed to the brink and reacted as cops do, as he was taught, that gets results in this day and age, by using violence and blood shed. Maybe that is the only way to make real change happen and for people to listen. I see honor in fighting corruption maybe one day that war will be fought but he was doing it just for himself, to just redeem his name, so was he a hero? no ...

reply to post by SecretFace


It's a bit offtopic, but OK, I will play. I am self employed, 50% owner of a construction business, and 100% owner of a graphic design business. What do I actually know? Nothing, just like you, only I am not afraid to admit that. And knowing nothing, I side with the law, suspect is innocent until proven guilty. I am not gonna call the guy a murderer or cop killer because that is what he would have been accused of had they not barbequed his ass. He died an innocent man.

When I was a kid I lived in a rural area of NY that had no real crime, and no minorities to profile and harass. You might think that means the cops were cool and laid back because their job was so easy. No, without minorities to profile, they just age profiled instead. They would harass the youth. Gather in a big group at town park, they would come and toss us out. Even bothered the nerdy kids that would gather there at the picnic tables to study for finals on a nice day. Or play their magic card game.

So we got fed up with it, and a bunch of us vocal youth brought the issue to the town board. We proposed that the police department was a waste of money, made a big presentation with fancy graphs and charts. The town board saw it our way and got rid of the police department altogether. The town didn't spiral down into chaos because we had no police, it was actually a lot safer.

The town I live in now, no police force. The town pays two RCMP to do nothing but sit in a cushy little office, with a gym and entertainment center, and wait for calls. The office is like 100 feet away from the school. No patrolling and harassing and handing out tickets. Works out just great. It's real freedom. Someone wants to sit on their front porch and smoke a funny cigarette, they are free to do so. Living by common law is great, you can do whatever you want, unless you harm another person, or damage their property it is fine. You are welcome to live in some city crawling with cops, with a book of statutes thicker than the bible to enforce, been there done that. No thanks.

Hero? Hell no! But hurt psycho? Yes.

reply to post by Grimpachi
What if we were all duped with that manifesto, what if those 2 killed were removed from the original before it was circulated.
What if the woman in question had some sort of relationship with Dorner? Weren't they listed as fiance's, maybe the straw that broke the camels back. Maybe her dad didn't want Chris hanging out with her, knowing that he was selling him down the river.

Truth is we don't know anything except that LAPD can be very dangerous whether on the force or not.

ETA: For those who don't read all post and all threads, it has been reported that Dorner has a little history of rejection by women.

reply to post by evc1shop


You forget that there was an eye witness there that Dorner also shot.

It is all fine that people are going on with the innocent until proven guilty bit but try to remember that is for the courts and if he was innocent then maybe he should have come out of the house he just broke into after stealing one car and carjacking another person instead of having a shootout with them. You can’t possibly be saying there is no evidence for that. If Dorner didn’t kill the one cop and injure the other then who did and why weren’t the police looking for the person who did.

Use a little common sense about this. He should have surrendered but instead he chose to die. His death was his choice. To be honest I wish they could have captured him but not at the expense of more lives.

The ones I feel bad for are the victims and there is a long list including the home owner but Dorner isn’t a victim.

reply to post by Grimpachi
I am actually in agreement with you that he is NOT an innocent victim.
I just wondered if the manifesto that was so quickly circulated was not the one he intended to circulate. I think the one he was hoping Anderson Cooper would air got redirected back to LAPD and then took on a life of its own afterward. Maybe he named the couple that ws shot but it was conveniently removed.

In any case, no not a hero. Was he an eye opener for the rest of the nation as to why police units such as LAPD may need an independent overseer of internal affairs to give whistleblowers a protected forum to voice concerns and to effect swift justice, no matter the outcome, YES!

Dorner may or may not be a "hero". He wasnt proven guilty of anything, and he wasnt allowed to come out of the cabin unless he wanted to recieve hundreds of bullets into his body. So to whoever said he shouldve came out and surrendered, give me a break. He couldnt without being shot on the spot. Wake up.


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reply to post by TheMistro81


That is pure speculation on your part. He could have surrendered many times over if he wanted to. Dorner committed suicide no matter how you look at it. I wish he had surrendered he would have made someone a great wife in prison.

Reply to post by Grimpachi

no, he would have been shot on site. As was proven when police were shooting up old ladies and a white man they mistook for dorner. No speculation there partner.


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reply to post by evc1shop


You are probably right. Even though I think Dorner is scum it is pretty well known LAPD is corrupt it makes you wonder why he would join something he already knew was corrupt. By most of what I read about him he was a screw up even by their standards and I think his allegations were an appeal to emotion which even the victim disagreed with. I read he was failing in the field when he brought charges and considering his actions since I am not giving him the benefit of doubt.

He violated his oath to the police and the military he was devoid of honor.

reply to post by TheMistro81


He could have surrendered to the wildlife and game to the FBI, he could have gone somewhere crowded and surrendered safely plus there was a different police force there other than LAPD. They called for him to surrender at the cabin he had multiple chances but he chose to die. He committed suicide and that is fact it is what happened so you can speculate all you want it doesn't change things.

Reply to post by Grimpachi

ok, that is true. But when did they call for his surrender at the cabin before burning it? I must've missed that part.


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reply to post by TheMistro81


That is what was reported by the reporter on scene. I think it was even reported on the scanner. I was listening to it while it was happening. He had a phone as well if he wanted to surrender he could have called numerous news agencies or the FBI. He had his opportunity. He claimed how smart he was in the manifesto he also claimed he would die fighting. I don’t think he was as smart as he claimed but he wasn’t an idiot.

Reply to post by Grimpachi

fair enough. i was watching and listening to the same as you however, and not one time did I see any plea for surrender. I think you may be mistaken on that part. Your reasoning is sound though, he wasnt stupid, but nowhere near as smart as the manifesto suggested. If that manifesto was even written by him. There were multiple manifestos correct? I am try to stay away from any kind os speculation and trying to deal with what is known as fact only. Which is incredibly difficult as I'm sure you'd agree.


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