Cop-Killer Chris Dorner a hero?

Reply to post by Gazrok

Well said. Although, only one side to this was actually proven to have 'messed up'. has there even been an I.D. On who was in that cabin? Nope...


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Judge jury and executioner, and we have NO FACTS.........

Are you talking about them or yourself? It sure seems like you are convicting the cops it is kind of hypocritical.

You forget one thing. He could have given up and walked out. It is no one’s fault but his own.

It sounds like a whole bunch of wrongs on both sides to go around. Dorner wasnt given due process any more than the people he executed... or the innocent 71 yr old woman who the cops murdered during the manhunt. There has been wrong after wrong after wrong in this.
What scares the crap out of me?? Those calling Dorner a "hero" and those totally overlooking the actions of the police.... and those who cheered the police on burning a man alive.
Personally, I feel Dorner was a waste of oxygen, but no more than his executioners who murdered innocent people while hunting him. There is a madness that as infected this country... there is no denying it.

Sure, its Breitbart, but the CNN commentators own words on film speak for themselves... Its a sickness...

www.breitbart.com...


I wonder if Napolitano will include "cops" or "former cops" in her watchlist now..........

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by Violater1

 

Chris Dorner messed up, the police messed up....

just like David Koresh messed up, and the ATF messed up....

One side committing wrong acts doesn't automatically vindicate the other side...they both f'd up.

Koresh didn't actively hunt and kill people, though. It seems like some on ATS (yourself not included) feel like the LAPD should have approached that cabin unarmed, humbly requesting Dorner stand down and submit himself for trial. Those cops have wives and children waiting for them at home. Their job is public safety, not "make sure Dorner doesn't get killed" and Dorner had demonstrated through his actions that he was a major threat to public safety. Threat neutralized, tax payer dollars saved by not having to pay to try, house, and feed the idiot, and situation resolved.

Here's what ruined Dorner's career:
(I cannot seem to get the document to link properly because it is java encapsulated on the site)
Go to this site and type "DORNER v. LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT" in the search box to view the report

In their infinite brilliance some have tried to state that "multiple witnesses" stated the arested man, Christopher Gettler, had been kicked in the face. Amazingly, only two eye witnesses claim there was any kick whatsoever... those two are Dorner and Gettler, who was the one being arrested and resisting arrest. Furthermore, Gettler says he was kicked twice in the chest, disagreeing with Dorner who said he was kicked in the shoulder and the head. Gettler's father was NOT an eyewitness, thus any of his claims are hearsay or plain old conjecture. The non-LAPD witnesses all gave testimonies that there were no kicks and, in fact, the head bellman at the hotel said that one of Officer Evans feet stayed on the ground with the other foot being inside an almost 3' tall planter during the arrest. How in the blue hell would it even be possible to kick someone in that position.

This is classic modern America: I'm not getting my way so screw you all! bullcrap. The dude was an unfit, out of place cop who had previously been given a poor review by Evans for not showing good judgement, poor officer safety, and not being knowledgeable on terms and methods for filing reports, causing his reports to be prodiced slower than was acceptable. He probably had figured out in his head that he could get back at her and eek out a new direct supervisor by falsely throwing her under the bus. In reality, it was a demonstration of the FACT that the police no longer tollerate openly dishonest officers and they tossed him out on his ass. Getting fired for lying and falsifying claims against co-workers isn't a good thing to have on your work record, as he's no doubt realized over the past couple of years.

He had nobody but himself to blame for this.

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I disagree with what you say on this premise,

I have seen officers in southern california over aggressively attack people for no reason including myself.

Originally posted by onequestion
reply to post by burdman30ott6

 

I disagree with what you say on this premise,

I have seen officers in southern california over aggressively attack people for no reason including myself.

I've seen police officers all over the nation properly doing their job and showing combative people more respect and dignity than they deserve. What's your point?

Originally posted by onequestion
reply to post by burdman30ott6

 

I disagree with what you say on this premise,

I have seen officers in southern california over aggressively attack people for no reason including myself.

I understand what youre saying, but one action doesnt automatically mitigate or absolve the other. Dorner was WRONG and asked for this ( executing folks because youre pissed off doesnt a freedom fighter make) . It certainly doesnt mean the police arent culpable in instances of brutality or etc. To me, Dorner being a nut is separate from the police ( like the ones shooting a 71 yr old woman with no warning while looking for Dorner) being nuts.
AKA, theyre all nuts and each nutty incident on either side doesnt cancel out the nutty action of the other!

Reply to post by Advantage

you're making the assumption that Dorner was guilty of what he was accused of. If it was actually proven to be the case, I'd agree with you. But no, you are operating under way too many assumptions.


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Originally posted by TheMistro81
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you're making the assumption that Dorner was guilty of what he was accused of. If it was actually proven to be the case, I'd agree with you. But no, you are operating under way too many assumptions.

 

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Im operating under what you KNOW as well. You know no more than I do or vice versa. The ONLY things you KNOW are what you have heard in the MSM concerning Dorner. I seriously doubt you know him, his mother, the cops involved, etc personally or were there before or during the fire. Even his own friends and family have not stepped forward as of yet.

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more assumptions... I watched MSM coverage, yes. i also followed every thread on ATS and several scanners. You are correct however that we only know so much information at this point. However, when you state that dorner is a murderer or cop killer, you are operating under assumptions. So lets stick with what we KNOW and not go off into the unknown for now. And please, dont deny things that you have stated when they are clearly in writing for all to see. :-)


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more assumptions... I watched MSM coverage, yes. i also followed every thread on ATS and several scanners. You are correct however that we only know so much information at this point. However, when you state that dorner is a murderer or cop killer, you are operating under assumptions. So lets stick with what we KNOW and not go off into the unknown for now. And please, dont deny things that you have stated when they are clearly in writing for all to see. :-)


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Originally posted by TheMistro81
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more assumptions... I watched MSM coverage, yes. i also followed every thread on ATS and several scanners. You are correct however that we only know so much information at this point. However, when you state that dorner is a murderer or cop killer, you are operating under assumptions. So lets stick with what we KNOW and not go off into the unknown for now. And please, dont deny things that you have stated when they are clearly in writing for all to see. :-)

 

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I definitely regret trying to speak to you as if there was a conversation to be had rather than an emotionally driven argument. This IS a message board, so I have no idea what youre " in writing for all to see" nonsense is about. OF COURSE it is.. we are typing here...

If you hate the police because of a supposed incident between you and the police, great.... But dont tell others we cant come to our own conclusions given what info we have or tell anyone they are not allowed to post our own opinions.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

Judge jury and executioner, and we have NO FACTS.........

Are you talking about them or yourself? It sure seems like you are convicting the cops it is kind of hypocritical.

You forget one thing. He could have given up and walked out. It is no one’s fault but his own.

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you mean convicting the cops of murder? Damn right I am, they gave the order to burn that place down.........

The guys were hunting him down, again we DONT KNOW THE FACTS, of why, all we know is this "story" that was told by the media and these corrupt officers..............and we dont know if its true or not........

Research the damn thing, it doesnt add up..........

Of course the guy isnt just gonna GIVE UP if these people had done this to him........

Im not saying hes innocent, im not saying hes guilty.........im saying I dont buy the story being sold...........and I DAMN well know that burning him up in that building was murder on the part of those who were going after him.......

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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Of course the guy isnt just gonna GIVE UP if these people had done this to him........

Im not saying hes innocent, im not saying hes guilty.........im saying I dont buy the story being sold...........and I DAMN well know that burning him up in that building was murder on the part of those who were going after him.......

Wonderful double bind you've created there. The problem is you're either stubbornly rejecting what lead to the incident in the cabin or intentionally rejecting because it is greatly inconvenient to your opinions. They reached two potential likely outcomes which I will call B and C (we'll get to the A in a moment)
Event B: He chooses to surrender, is taken into custody, and gets his day in court.
Event C: He locks himself in the cabin, tries to shoot it out with the cops, and they burn the place (and him) to an ashpile.

Dorner's refusal to take advantage of Event B directly lead to Event C. No law in the country protects your life from being self-forfeited if you decide to exchange gunfire with the cops while barricaded inside a cabin. No law in the country has ever granted that protection and no law in the country ever will grant that protection. YOU may not agree with that and YOU may find it personally distastefull... but YOU are one individual who's groupthink happens to coincide with a small handfull of cop haters and civil malcontents living in a country where the vast majority of citizens disagree with you. That effectively (and thankfully) marginalizes that viewpoint to a great margin.

I previously mentioned Event A. Without Event A there never would have been a B or a C and, more likely than not, Chris Dorner would still be very alive and very unheard of. Event A was him deciding to kill humans. As you grow in life, wherever you are and whatever you do, please learn that sociopaths, psychopaths, and violent folks don't make good objects of infatuation. It was popular for wayward souls to look towards the Charles Mansons, Richard Ramirez, and David Berkowitzes for love and acceptance in the 80s and early 90s. Girls sending them love letters in prison, angry young men singing songs about them in hushed tones. Hell, they even made a couple of movies glorifying mimickry of them in Natural Born Killers and The Frighteners (both about Charles Starkweather). Ultimately I hope those wayward souls grew up and took a moment to look back, massively facepalming several times over their choice of affection and idolotry.

This man was making a very important point, both about internal corruption in the police department, and a larger that Americans need to start utilizing their power. We the people have no political power, and there is circumstantial evidence, quite a bit actually, to suggest that elections for the presidency are fixed, which means that there are probably many lower offices whose elections are fixed as well. What some do not realize is that the Founders of this country anticipated this, and that is why they included the 2nd amendment.

Maybe you did not agree with the action this man took, but what action besides violence is left when the authorities, the "system," the "government," have blocked all of your other options?

Originally posted by TheMistro81
Do you or do you not believe that Dorner should have been burned alive?

Hey, I'll play. I'm in support of an individuals right to die if they choose it is their time. Dorner clearly chose the time and the place and, since he was a disgraced cop and stripped military man, I think it is safe to assume he chose the method (or at least calculated the odds it would either be burning or he'd get shot.). He apparently got what he was looking for and what he wanted.

Reply to post by burdman30ott6

I can agree that it seemed like he wasnt going to be taken alive. On the other hand, he was being shot at outside, so he was forced to stay inside. So noone knows if he wouldve surrendered had he been let outside the cabin. Still, there is no justification in the police using this method for ONE man holed up against a whole lot of the police force.


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