Cop-Killer Chris Dorner a hero?

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by onequestion
reply to post by burdman30ott6

 

I disagree with what you say on this premise,

I have seen officers in southern california over aggressively attack people for no reason including myself.

I've seen police officers all over the nation properly doing their job and showing combative people more respect and dignity than they deserve. What's your point?

That's their job. What has that got to do with when there is a blatant disregard for the law they do uphold.

"Oh but a lot do a good job! (read: their actual job). So ...?"

I agree with you in that praise for this man is unwarranted in any light. and I'm seriously at a loss for words to see anyone justify murder of innocent people. It's not war, it's not a freedom fighter, it's a lunatic shooting people who did nothing to the guy.

An old friend recently lost his wife down here, she worked in a caravan park and someone was driving the wrong way and she tried to halt them to give them proper directions. They ran her over and killed her.

"Hurrah, that'll teach the bent coppers that gave me a ticket once !!"

that's how it seems to me.

He had made it clear he was going to kill people, methodically. You can't really walk up to someone like that and say "I say old bean, I know you're in a bit of a bind, but if you could stop killing me with your weapons, I have to arrest you now, or else we'll have all the hippies complaining on the internet that we killed you without any good reason. There's a good chap."

reply to post by votan


I was in no way supporting the LAPD, they're terribly corrupt, and racist. All I was saying was that they shot theirselves in the foot for handling it like they did and proving his point for him. It doesn't make him right, and still doesn't make them right either. They're both wrong and he's no hero, not for this.

Sickness is finding any remote justification for his killings. There is none.

Frank Serpico didn't go around offing dirty cops now did he? He was the hero, went after the system, and tore it up, but truly put it all on the line.

I suspect he was having a "that's not fair" tantrum that went too far.

If you think there is more to the story, you are probably right, but if you are holding judgement until you hear the whole story, you are wrong. Dude killed. Killing is wrong. Doesn't matter how or why he did it because we know it wasn't in defense. Don't matter that they killed him at the end, that might have been wrong, but is moot as to the justification of the murders.

Murder = wrong.

Raise your hand if you are pro gun control, but also pro Dorner. You are doubly wrong and hypocritical.

The guy was an unstable delusional failiure. No hero status from me. More like rest in peace.

Originally posted by Screwed
That doesn't mean that I LIKE it.
It doesn't mean I condone it.

Originally posted by DOLCOTT
You must be a muslim if you endorse those tactics.

Spoken like a "True American Patriot".
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point.
Better stick to.........whatever it is you're good at.
Try a little less emotion next time and avoid name calling.
It is the best way to have a discussion.
You'll learn.

Ohh btw, way to totally slam all Muslims.
That's how I know you're a "TRUE American Patriot"
Fkkn Muslims!!
Who do they think they are anyway?
Don't get me started on them "Jews"!!!
Way to go brother, way to go.

I dont consider Dorner a hero, or a murderer, i think something stinks about this whole thing though, from the alleged murders to him suposedly being burned in a cabin... i think its all a part of something bigger, oh well only time will tell.

I do not support him or his cause because I think he was an idiot for believing the LAPD is a "fair" and "just" organization. He should have known about the history of the LAPD before he joined. He was a straight arrow guy who served his nation in the military and was an accomplished marksmen. But in a view...A fool. His heart was in the right place but his actions were terrible. Killing people, corrupt or innocent, will make you a monster in the eyes of the public. And its insane that we watched him burn to death on national television! We all know from the beginning of this he was going to killed. There was no chance in Heck they were going to take him alive. I think that he won in the fact that this was publicized to the nation and reminded us how corrupt our police departments really are. They shot innocent people while trying to catch him. At the end of the day the LAPD came out looking worse by their actions to catch him and the execution . Justice was not involved in this at all. Just murder and revenge.

no winners or hero's in all of this dorner had all the reasons to be pissed off but it doesnt justify what he did..the police arent hero's either..i wouldnt call a cop if my life depended on it as they are mostly just stooges for tptb and have little to do with serving the public

in the end dorner was no better than the corrupt police dept he was fighting with

reply to post by Violater1


"All I see is a murderer"

"Attorney Glen Jonas said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez, were delivering Los Angeles Times newspapers around 5:15 a.m. in Torrance when the officers opened fire on their vehicle."

im sure thats exactly what they were thinking when they turned around. they are just lucky cops out there cant hit the side of a moving barn

wrong color truck, wrong lic plate, WRONG SEX... was it target practice? how many cops are in jail for accidently shooting people dead.. oh thats right those are just accidents wink wink. heh

if this is the kind of police work going on out there, then there is probably justifaction in his actions. legal no, but neither is half the $%^& our on government does to us.


hero far from it, but dont try to make the other side look innocent.

I may be completely out of line, but someone who has experience racial profiling in a dominantly white saburban neighborhood i do not feel bad at all for those cops, especially LAPD one of the most currupted stations in America. And as for the Chris Doner, he is definately no hero. The optimistic side of me thinks he was fired becausehe found out about something he wasnt supposed to know

reply to post by solizer


I experienced the same, but the opposite. I look white, and lived in a mostly black ghetto area in NY for a while. Cops always stopping me thinking I was there to buy drugs.

It's a bit much to expect any common sense from LEA really, I have known that much since ruby ridge. Now the guy is dead, he can be called a murderer without having it proven, dead man can't defend himself. Probably worked out for the coppers I guess, they can say whatever they want about him now.

reply to post by Violater1


Yo wake the "F" up sheeple. This is a clear cut example of what lengths and measures this government is willing to take in order to keep people from fighting back. Soon coming to a city or town near you... The real Police State.
Maybe then the ones who would consider me a fear monger or crazy will realize what many of us have been saying for years back when there was still time to prevent it.
The government sees they can't take the guns so they will just break our spirits and indoctrinate the masses using false flag operations.
I am convinced that most people especially Americans will willingly allow it for a false state of security mainly because of cowardice and unwillingness to venture into the unknown. Good luck idiots you are witnessing the rise of the 4th reich.

A hero? Seriously is this how bad America is now? You would class a man who murders innocent people a hero? My God, you people are dead in the water if you're classing him as a hero.

I do not know the facts surrounding him and what he is saying with regards to the LAPD, likewise most if not all of you, no matter how you think you do, don't know the facts. What I know is that this man murdered three people, three innocent people who did nothing to warrant being killed. How on Earth, regardless of cause, does that make this man a hero?

You can go on about police killing innocents all you like, but as I have stated numerous times, unless you were there or know every fact surrounding such an incident and unless you understand police protocol, then you have no basis to be critical of any death at the hands of police officers UNTIL you know the facts, every detail of the event. Regardless of how it looks, you cannot make a judgement without the facts, no matter how cool being against the grain is or how difficult obtaining the facts are, you must be objective until you know the truth. It's about searching for the truth, not a witch hunt!

This man could've gone on a crusade to the White House with his cause, he could've brought it to light via many different sources, he didn't, he lost his mind and wanted revenge for his own reasons, which then gets perceived as his own personal vendetta and nothing more. If any of you class this man as a hero, then you need to take a long hard look at yourselves and think carefully about your own state of mind.

reply to post by beastnwokillah


That's all fair enough, but please provide evidence such as examples to support your theory.

reply to post by SecretFace

What I know is that this man murdered three people, three innocent people who did nothing to warrant being killed.

No you don't know that. You were told that. Sounds like you believed it.
Then you go on lecturing people about prejudging cops that kill people
Priceless.

What do you mean this is how far America has fallen? Billy the Kid was considered a hero..Wyatt Earp was considered a hero...too sleepy to point out more. People using violence to fight corruption is nothing new. Hero is a word reserved for victors in battle and the media (media owned by the victors in battle).

If you need heroes and villains in your life then the villains have already won.

He is no hero..only a man that could no longer stand the stench of this corrupt society.

He fought back using the skills that this corrupt society taught him.

Chickens come home to roost?

Peace

reply to post by Violater1

Are you talking about the Christopher Dorner guy that wants to ban guns? Hell no.

Though I dont agree with his methods ... have to respect that he had the balls to stand up to the corrupt bastards at a time when most just cower in fear....

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by SecretFace

 

What I know is that this man murdered three people, three innocent people who did nothing to warrant being killed.

No you don't know that. You were told that. Sounds like you believed it.
Then you go on lecturing people about prejudging cops that kill people

Priceless.

And your juvenile response helps the issue.

I do know that and thats all I know, because unlike you I'm in a position to find the facts and search for them, sure my occupation helps, but so does my belief that a person should seek the truth rather than assume. I made it clear that I don't know about his accusations, so I have no opinion on that.

Where as what position are you in? Are you employed? If so as what? What do you actually know other than what you read, either on here, elsewhere on the net or other media outlets? What do you know? What have you experienced to come to your conclusions about authority? Please tell me. I'm not saying Government is all well and good, its not, far from it. I'm not saying courts across the planet represent justive for victims, I'm not even saying the police are all noble and great, because there are elements that believe me certainly aren't, but this BS opinion that all and every police officer is evil and should be gunned down regardless is disgusting and if the alternative to a police force is a mob with that mindset, I certainly know what the general public should support if they give just an ounce of care towards their safety. Most officers are just simply working men and women trying to make a living, like everyone else, believe me I've not encountered one police officer, either domestic or foreign, that relishes discharging a firearm.

So, please tell me, how would you change police protocol and procedure and think before you create a super happy fun police to maintain law and order.

He was many things but calling him a hero absolutely not. There is nothing about him that was worthy of being called a hero.