Christopher Dorner in gun battle with authorities, source says

Originally posted by DerekJR321
reply to post by rockymcgilicutty

 

I read the manifesto too. The glaring obvious 100000lb gorilla in the text was the whole "guns are bad.. ban guns" nonsense he put in there. Or.... someone put in there.. It doesn't fit at all. The guy is talking about having .50 cal's and SA-7 manpads.. and then goes off on a rant about AR-15's and 30 round clips? Come on....

I believe he wrote some of it. I believe someone ELSE got a hold of it before it hit the net...

Regardless of some of the content, the man had a agenda and a death wish.All I said was he got what HE wanted .... PUBLICITY.

after reading Dorner's Manifesto,(if indeed it is his) the guy didn't seem the type to go meekly by putting a slug in his own head....
i thought he would be more the "all guns blazing burst out the doors like Butch Cassidy" Type reading between the lines of his wording....Must have been all mouth and no trousers as they would say..

reply to post by Daughter2

Since this is LA, they aren't going to risk having a riot if the MSM reports the cabin was intentionally burned down.

For the population to riot, there would need to be someone they identify with and feel has been severely wronged by the police. Dorner is no Rodney King and there are probably not enough people that feel that strongly about cabin owners with fire insurance.

Originally posted by 00nunya00
Actually this makes the third time his ID was found.

They must really think we're stupid.

If LAPD had custody of his ID after it was first "turned in" it would be a piece of cake to make it appear again and again whenever and wherever it fit the story.

He could have been dead all along and kept on ice until the set had been built, then transported to the cabin with cases of ammo and torched so time and manner of death couldn't be ascertained by autopsy. As for the other dead cops, maybe they weren't players on the team either.

Originally posted by illuminatedobserver
They may not fight for the differences of good and evil because they dont have egos or persona's, but in the end one life is gone and another remains. Same goes for all creatures.

And I agree. Your post was just coming across as judgmental towards humanity in general with the nuke stuff and all that.
Thing is, yes....a rat will indeed kill another rat (when starving). A lion will kill the cubs of a lioness if he isn't getting enough attention, etc..lots of "evil" in the natural world.

What seperates us from any other animal isn't our violence towards our own species, rather, it is our mercy, love, and sacrifice towards our own and other species. It is unlikely you will see a rat sacrifice itself willingly so another rat may live (say a flooding area, it won't be pulling other rats to safety). This is when we realize there is a difference in the human animal and most others.
So, depending on how you want to view life..humanity is "better" than the rest because we have the mental capability to understand and preform acts of mercy and love to others (people, different species, etc).

(incidently, there are some other animals on earth that have a basic understanding of this...very rudimentary..especially domesticated animals where our influence rubs off on them such as k9's and our closest cousin primates)

"authorities"

not public servants?

reply to post by frazzle
So are you suggesting that the woman who were held captive were being held by a dorner impersonator or that they were never held there at all or that Dorner did it while he was frozen stiff and they only torched the place to thaw him out. Oops, I mean "draw him out" ?

Originally posted by evc1shop
reply to post by frazzle

 

So are you suggesting tha tthe woman who were held captive were being held by a dorner impersonator or that they were never held there at all or that Dorner did it while he was frozen stiff and they only torched the place to thaw him out. Oops, I mean "draw him out" ?

I'm waiting for the interviews of these hostages. I have tons of patience.

Burning evidence is a crime

Originally posted by VekTorVik
reply to post by zayonara

 

I just logged on to say the same thing. I was just reading this article on Huffington Post...

Huffington Post

The top of the article says that "An official briefed on the investigation tells The Associated Press that a wallet with a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner has been found in the rubble of a cabin.".

If you read farther down in the article is says that at 2:20 A.M. on Feb 7th a shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with a LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner.

So he carrier two wallets. One that was indestructible to fire.

This is either bad reporting or poor police work. It sure looks fishy.

OK so he carried a separate wallet with his badge and photo ID. Common practice. He lost that one first, and it was picked up on the streets somewhere. Then he burned in a cabin with his regular wallet that held his license which could have survived the fire. OK makes sense, except why was he carrying a badge?

And there goes the 5th and 14th amendment. Due process? Trial?

Nope, what do we think we live in America? There is no bill of rights. Cut the news feed.

Just out of curiosity.. have either of the two cops involved in the shoot out been named? They say one died and the other will probably survive. Have they been identified? Just wondering... I can't seem to find this info on regular news sites.

And another question.. this "shootout video" they are playing on all the major news outlets. Who is to say that this wasn't just the cops firing AT the cabin? How do they prove it was Dorner... or whoever, firing back? I know its pretty much a rhetorical question, because no one but those up there can answer. But we are being force fed "facts" here I think.

reply to post by Deetermined

In the manifesto, Dorner told about an incident that happened to him in the 1st grade along with asking his high school principal to apologize to his mother regarding an incident in 1996. I don't see who else could have written it.

Possibly anyone that he ever mentioned the incident to, maybe?

We don't know for sure that he kept it a secret. Maybe the principal knew?

Why would someone else go to great lengths to give "his" opinion on Hollywood celebrities as well?

Bad cops in the LAPD (believe it or not they exist) to frame him, maybe?
You have proof that it is truly his opinion of Hollywood celebrities?

reply to post by DerekJR321


Normally you would prove such things by having a trial instead of just cutting the news feed and burning the cabin down. But, you know, these are "officials" and "authorities" ...not public servants. Gods like the LAPD just shoot up random cars and burn down property.

reply to post by butcherguy


Or perhaps it was someone else adding a bunch of crazy nonsense to it, to make him come off as nuts.

Curious why it cut off too...

Originally posted by zayonara

Originally posted by VekTorVik
reply to post by zayonara

 

I just logged on to say the same thing. I was just reading this article on Huffington Post...

Huffington Post

The top of the article says that "An official briefed on the investigation tells The Associated Press that a wallet with a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner has been found in the rubble of a cabin.".

If you read farther down in the article is says that at 2:20 A.M. on Feb 7th a shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with a LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner.

So he carrier two wallets. One that was indestructible to fire.

This is either bad reporting or poor police work. It sure looks fishy.

OK so he carried a separate wallet with his badge and photo ID. Common practice. He lost that one first, and it was picked up on the streets somewhere. Then he burned in a cabin with his regular wallet that held his license which could have survived the fire. OK makes sense, except why was he carrying a badge?

excellent point, he was fired in 2008 so why would he still have a badge? another story said that some of his police gear was found near a police headquarters, why is he still in possession of a badge and police gear 4 years after he was fired?

ETA: found the link

An investigator working the case said that a wallet and identification cards belonging to Dorner were recovered last week at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, according to a federal complaint filed Thursday in Santa Ana.

That contradicts with what authorities said on Thursday, when it was reported that a shuttle bus driver turned over Dorner’s wallet, LAPD police badge and photo ID to San Diego police after a passer-by found them near Lindbergh Field.

San Diego Police Chief Bill Lansdowne said Tuesday that the items were found in the middle of Pacific Highway and Laurel Street.

Several items of Dorner’s police gear were also found early last week behind National City police headquarters.

www.utsandiego.com...

reply to post by Deetermined

Just out of curiosity, do you think there's a possibility that Dorner had multiple ID's made up to throw off the LAPD?

You do realize that sounds like some crazy conspiracy theory, right?

I still find it disconcerting that they deliberately burnt him out. If they had the manpower and facilities to surround the compound, I mean cabin, night vision gear is all over the place these days and they could have easily had the upper hand at night, much less just floodlighting the area. I don't recall anywhere in this ordeal anybody suggesting they wait him out. With no known hostages and testimony that there was very little likelihood of hostages (owners saying the tenants had already left), they never exercised that option. Curiouser and curiouser.

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
reply to post by Daughter2

 

Since this is LA, they aren't going to risk having a riot if the MSM reports the cabin was intentionally burned down.

For the population to riot, there would need to be someone they identify with and feel has been severely wronged by the police. Dorner is no Rodney King and there are probably not enough people that feel that strongly about cabin owners with fire insurance.

I'm not sure about that. According to the police, they re-opened the investigation into his allegations to ease people's concerns. It depends on whether people see Dorner as a person getting revenge on corrupt cops or a cold blood murderer. The minority community in LA might perceive this totally different than other parts of the country.

It depends on how this is played out in the media. The cops need their help to make sure this is spun pro-police.

I want to thank everyone last night for keeping this thread up to date with what was really happening. (Last night for me in the UK)

I tried taking a quick look but found nothing online however it occurred to me if this guy had this planned for a while maybe the body they think is him was one he placed at the lodge previously? Hadn't the cabin been occupied at the weekend and there was rumour he had an accomplice? Took a gun shot once smoke went up (one shot was heard from the cabin) then somehow escaped leaving the body to be found and the police assuming its him for the next week until a proper ID has been done.

what I couldnt find online was if anyone had gone missing from the surrounding area in recent times that once roasted could resemble him?

EDIT: forgot the police started the fire, my theory doesnt really work now!


Chances are he is probably the body they found I guess.