Christopher Dorner in gun battle with authorities, source says

This is my prediction on what is going to happen.

Since this is LA, they aren't going to risk having a riot if the MSM reports the cabin was intentionally burned down. So they are going ask the media to cooperate by not saying anything until their "investigation" is done.

The autopsy will take about a week, which is enough time for the average person to forgot about a current event. Then they will say they body was charred but it "appears" he "probably" died from a self inflicted gun shot. (Which is why they reported hearing a gun shot from inside the cabin).

There will be an investigation into the cabin fire which will take months. On a Friday afternoon, the investigation will conclude the police need additional training but they "probably" were not the cause of his death.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


Maybe he got away If its a setup and he knew too much, lets hope he did. I want true justice, the real mcoy, not their psuedo hell lie stuff.

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The only thing about "due process" is that is was clear from Dorner's manifesto that he knew he wouldn't come out of this alive. He couldn't possibly think that he would based on the very detailed written threats and tactics he said he would use to seek his revenge.

Originally posted by Deetermined
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The only thing about "due process" is that is was clear from Dorner's manifesto that he knew he wouldn't come out of this alive. He couldn't possibly think that he would based on the very detailed written threats and tactics he said he would use to seek his revenge.

Here is the problem. Which manifesto? I've heard there were up to 8 different versions. Is it 100% positive he even wrote this? Again.. I'm not defending him.. but it seems today its very convenient for evidence to just pop up, thus proving someones guilt via public opinion. Case in point, go to the LA Times article I linked above and read the comments users are posting. I would say 99% of them are all "good I'm glad he is dead", etc.

Public opinion was that he was 100% guilty. And that, it seems today, is all they (the police) need.

So lets say for arguments sake, I don't like someone. Or someone is causing me problems. I go off, kill someone connected to that person, put out a crazy document and say "OMG IT WAS HIM!!". Probably wouldn't work right? Now lets say I do the same, but I'm the police......

My biggest problem with the whole thing is this. They have who they believe is Dorner, trapped in a cabin. The cabin is surrounded by SWAT. Why did they not just keep the place surrounded, and try and attempt contact with him? Why did they not wait it out? Why did they feel the need to rush the situation and fire in "burners" (slang for tear gas) full well knowing it would start a fire. Why did they feel the need to wait until the building was 100% engulfed in flames. So much so that they knew Dorner would be burnt to a crisp? None of it, from an outside perspective makes any sense. The only reason I can see them doing this is either evidence cover up, or acting like the lynch mob.. exacting justice on someone who took out some of their own. And if the latter is the case, then isn't what Dorner was saying about the police justified in this case? Vigilante justice has no place in the Police Department.

I would think that given his position on the run and being hunted, he would not carry his actual ID, maybe a fake though. I suppose he didn't care if he actually did.

I can't believe it would survive.

reply to post by DerekJR321


Here's the full manifesto that haven123 posted earlier. Have you read anything different from what's stated here?

www.scribd.com...

Is there definitive evidence that Dorner wrote a manifesto?

Was it copyrighted by him?

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In the manifesto, Dorner told about an incident that happened to him in the 1st grade along with asking his high school principal to apologize to his mother regarding an incident in 1996. I don't see who else could have written it. Why would someone else go to great lengths to give "his" opinion on Hollywood celebrities as well?

I just listened to the LAPD press conference.

Of all the unanswered questions, the MSM decided to ask about the cost of the investigation and the reward money.

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I am telling you that earlier in my posts I revealed that I distinctly heard them say that the thermite was deployed successfully back to dispatch or command in one of the vids. That is clearly arson/murder in its purest form. Clearly they weren't sending him a valentine and asking to come out nicely and discuss this in a court of law, now were they?
The woman who owns the cabin ought to sue all of the police involved for arson and excessive use of force. I know the police will get off free from that because they were in pursuit...

So does this mean that the LAPD is goign to stop looking into the allegations that set Dorner off in the first place?

Reward for arrest and conviction.

Looks like the women hostages who reported him will not be getting paid. No trial cured that one.

Actually this makes the third time his ID was found.

They must really think we're stupid.

Originally posted by Deetermined
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Here's the full manifesto that haven123 posted earlier. Have you read anything different from what's stated here?

www.scribd.com...

I have read his manifesto. Only one thing is certain at this point, right or wrong .He got what he wanted, in his mind he went out in ....................

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I read the manifesto too. The glaring obvious 100000lb gorilla in the text was the whole "guns are bad.. ban guns" nonsense he put in there. Or.... someone put in there.. It doesn't fit at all. The guy is talking about having .50 cal's and SA-7 manpads.. and then goes off on a rant about AR-15's and 30 round clips? Come on....

I believe he wrote some of it. I believe someone ELSE got a hold of it before it hit the net...

Originally posted by 00nunya00
Actually this makes the third time his ID was found.

They must really think we're stupid.

Just out of curiosity, do you think there's a possibility that Dorner had multiple ID's made up to throw off the LAPD?

CNN isn't using the burners deployed audio. They use the burn it talk from earlier. I take this as a way to leave an out for the PD.

Let's assume that the SWAT and Police forces on scene were on the up and up (extremely hard to fathom here but bear with me) this burn him out tactic would still show how little regard they have for a human life and most of all the due process they were sworn to uphold.
Sure Dorner may have murdered people but we have no way of knowing if he did without a fair trial and evidence.
Sure, there were some cops gunned down a the scene, one was even killed. Was that Dorners doing or was that a shot fired from the opposite side of the theatre, as in friendly fire? Or was that police man also a victim, perhaps it was an opportunity to take out another cop who was having doubts about something or by another cop who did not like him. Just saying this is a possibility.

Point is we don't have all the answers, not even close.

We have let the media be the jury and the accused(by Dorner) be the judge here all under the guise of protection.
No matter how you view it and which side you felt was more right in their actions, this is another sad day for Lady Justice.

reply to post by DerekJR321
The very same AR-15's that he later left in the truck? I wonder what they will say he was firing at them and I wonder what type of slugs were in the office that was shot dead?

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He's dead & gone now, fried to a crisp, but of course... unless he had another guy who looks like him step in while he.... stepped out (doubtful).

Originally posted by Deetermined
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The only thing about "due process" is that is was clear from Dorner's manifesto that he knew he wouldn't come out of this alive. He couldn't possibly think that he would based on the very detailed written threats and tactics he said he would use to seek his revenge.

Think about your comment, for a minute....If he, in fact, wrote the entirety of his manifesto, then why did so many of his sightings occur, while he was attempting to flee, or get away?

If you believe that they are all HIS words from the manifesto, why did he only engage in a couple gun battles with a few officers? Why didn't he bring the fight to them, with all of his training and skills and weapons? Why didn't he make a serious attempt to contact the Media in person? I don't buy the stuff sent to Cooper, as being genuine...

If it was really Dorner in the cabin, he chose to end it there! It was part of a plan! But where is the finale? If Dorner knew their "tactics", he would have had a contingency for them, right? When he got into the last shootout with the two officers while fleeing, they said he wrecked his stolen car, and had to flee to the cabin. Why didn't he take the officer's car, f they were both gravely wounded, one mortally? Why run into the cabin, if it wasn't part of his plan?