Breaking - Artificial Earthquake Detected in North Korea

I just had an awful thought.

I wonder if they test them on people?

I wouldn't put it past them.

I think the game changing nature of this goes beyond Seoul. This being ATS and all, I'd imagine others are thinking the same thing.

If North Korea now has nuclear weapons they can be fairly sure work with more then 50/50 odds, Iran may just as likely have them or soon will. The two are known to swap people and tech as well as work together in past testing. Google is a gold mine of stories to the topic and the obstacle has been testing with reliability and consistency, IMO.

Iran's rather robust missile development program mated with functional nuclear tech out of North Korea would mean they have all they've wanted, both of them. If that plays out or already has, lets hope the pro-Iran people are right about the Ayatollah not using nukes as a first strike option. That won't be long in becoming clear in some scenarios here.

I'd call this the start of one of those tense periods where things could get stupidly out of hand for a short time.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. They're literally 60 years behind the United States in terms of technology and they pose literally no threat. One missile towards the mainland and they would get ten in return. The only unfortunate reality is that they can reach our friends in the south.

Food in return for calm is just enabling the beast. If they want to live alone, let them. They won't attack, and without support their regime will eventually collapse.

reply to post by TheToastmanCometh

Got a good one for you





Was made just to scare you and the US public like in the new Batman movie

Try to keep this fresh in thoughts...

-USA is not a ratifier of CTBT.

reply to post by LightAssassin


You must be kidding.

No one can be this...crazy.

Split Infinity

It's just Skynet making everyone think N.K. has the nuke...

Fight the Machines people!

Flesh not Metal!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Wabby...both Iran and North Korea are constructing or have constructed a circa 1945 Fission Bomb that is too large and too heavy to be placed atop of any North Korean Missile.

This thing is MASSIVE...and they would need a truck to get it to target.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by violet
reply to post by spark9576

 

I think there's a way to tell by the s or p waves. A nuclear blast differs from a real quake.

The USGS shows it as 4.9

Event Time

2013-02-12 02:57:51 UTC
2013-02-12 11:57:51 UTC+09:00 at epicenter
2013-02-11 18:57:51 UTC-08:00 system time
Location

41.299°N 129.081°E depth=1.0km (0.6mi)

In an earthquake some part of the crust is moving away from some other part.

In an explosion all parts are moving away the same in every direction.

I bet you're right, they can tell by the s and p waves.

Sounds just like the fake Democrats and Republicans at Hagel's Senate hearing.

Staged questions and fake grilling to him being a signatory to the Zero report.

The US doesn't want to be nuclear-free. All a ruse.

Ratify CTBT or drop your games.

6-7 kilotons.

reply to post by SplitInfinity


While Israel continue to have Nuclear weapons even though they have not signed the Non-proliferation treaty, and the US spending billions on weapons while many of their people starve and live in poverty, YES I will celebrate a country who now can push back against Western oppression.

They are also one of the last three countries to not have a Rothschild owned and controlled central bank. Cuba and Iran are the other two, and Libya WAS....and we all know what happened there.

I congratulate them.....but I hope with their new found power they start feeding their people and stop the human rights abuses. Then again I hope Israel do the same, and I hope the US stops its encroachment on the rights of its citizens, and Iran and Saudi Arabia...and all the countries committing atrocities.

I just want EVERYONE to get along, peacefully.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Wabby...both Iran and North Korea are constructing or have constructed a circa 1945 Fission Bomb that is too large and too heavy to be placed atop of any North Korean Missile.

This thing is MASSIVE...and they would need a truck to get it to target.

Split Infinity

Be that as it may, they aren't exactly trapped in reliving 60 years of reinventing the wheel though, are they? I'm thinking that once the basic bang is established as a thing they can reproduce at will, they'll be surprisingly quick about catching up across the backs of several nation's research in the intervening decades. Money can certainly buy the resources to follow the path a well stocked public library has for most of the needed data....or at least, used to.

I don't think we're in any danger in the Continental U.S. at any rate. I don't bestow upon the DPRK powers which no physical evidence exists to support, as some others do by suggesting they could even hit our Continent, let alone a specific part by willful choice. lol..

That doesn't mean I underestimate the results of group effort and determined work though. This would represent a turning point for them as much as it was for the U.S., way back when. A tipping point, to be sure..

So here is something new:

1:06 AM
TwitterSteve Herman @W7VOA
RT @chicoharlan: N. Korea says this device was a "smaller and lighter" atomic warhead."

^
Clickable picture if I did that right..

Remember that article that said they were testing an enhanced version? Maybe they are lieing or maybe they have smaller nukes??

Found the Article Here:
North Korea Vows New Nuclear Test 'Aimed' at US

North Korea's National Defense Commission says the reclusive state will conduct an “all-out confrontation battle” that will include further satellite and long-range launches, as well as what it calls a nuclear test of a “higher level.” It says these actions will be aimed at its sworn enemy, the United States.

Some experts speculate the reference to an enhanced nuclear test likely will be an attempt to detonate a uranium bomb, compared to the plutonium devices North Korea tested in 2006 and 2009.

Compare Orange text with the above screen shot.. It has a good probability of being pure propaganda, but it's what they are saying.

reply to post by Dustytoad


Dang-it man! i was trying to figure out how to post this exact same thing! lol. thank you for sharing what i couldn't figure out how to contribute to the discussion!

Seems i remember reading a thread response somewhere that speculated that once NK had done this test, Iran would soon follow with announcement of being nuclear armed? Whats the chances of this happening in the next few days, people?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000
I would never say that we aren't vulnerable, no matter who we are dealing with. We don't know if NK has a deal going with say, Cuba to bring one of these bad boys over and hit Florida or something.
We don't know if they may have a way to install a launch bay on say, a container ship or something and fire it from some distance off shore that would guarantee it reach us before our scramble/intercept times could catch up with it. I don't know, guessing 100 Miles off shore or something.

What if they do that and fire something in on a near horizontal trajectory that ends up under our radar so to speak. Maybe it doesn't drop and detonate but maybe it just explodes over a large city at extremely low elevation. The fallout and the shockwave would certainly do something more than just wake every one up.

Underestimation is hard to avoid some times but when dealing with nukes and whackos, it's better to do the best estimating you can an then double it.

reply to post by wondermost
If I was a betting man..... i would put up a hundred that they Iran will an other 50 saying DPRK did the test for them, at the same time DPRK tested theirs.

The South Koreans say it was a 6 to 7 kiloton blast. Its very hard to determine in my opinion. The seismic activity was registered at a depth of 1 km, but it may actually be shallower than that. Would they dig that far down? What effect would the mountain that it was detonated inside have on energy calculations? Is it possible that the blast was larger?

reply to post by bekod


Yep, that was the context of the post i remember reading, saying that it was a "co-test" between Iran and NK.

May be an interesting couple of days.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by wondermost

 

If I was a betting man..... i would put up a hundred that they Iran will an other 50 saying DPRK did the test for them, at the same time DPRK tested theirs.

Do they have supply chains with each other that could hide nuclear material? Or did you mean they tested the design for them?

Either way I wouldn't be surprised either..

live.reuters.com...

***Russia condemns the test strongly..
** US and South Korea agree on swift unified UN action
***BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY HAGUE "STRONGLY" CONDEMNS NORTH KOREAN NUCLEAR TEST