If You Think American Troops Will Not Attack Americans, History Shows You Are Wrong

Originally posted by starrysatya
I don't trust people in the military. I probably sound like a b*tch saying that. Oh well.

edit on 11-2-2013 by starrysatya because: (no reason given)

I'm sorry. (Odds are that you were in line at a store or in a restaurant or in the same bus with a military member today and didn't realize it).

Originally posted by Shamrock6
reply to post by larphillips

 

no, the issue is the OP is putting forth examples carried out by Guard units under state orders as being examples of US troops firing on civilians, under federal orders, and he's giving erroneous statements to do so. clarity, my friend. clarity.

edit on 11-2-2013 by Shamrock6 because: (no reason given)

Not at all. I did not say "Only US Army Troops will attack you", though some of them will. My examples included national guard, police and "army" troops because all of the above have happened. The national guard troops are American troops. Whether under control of obama or a state governor, the point is that they attacked their fellow citizens in many cases showing no remorse for doing so. My whole point is that, going by our own history, we cannot just trust that our fellow Americans will not participate in an attack against us. Maybe I could have worded the title better, by I did not choose those two examples by accident. They were specifically chosen to point out that National Guard, Federal troops, and police will follow Un-Constitutional orders. Maybe not all of them, but a significant number will.

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by sealing

 

It would be like Jackie Chan versus a class of kindergarten children. Although there are more, and sure they will hit him, the odds are stacked against the untrained side.

Male cow feces. One thing that you haven't taken into consideration is the number of veteran's, who might remember some of their original training, like myself. If it happens it isn't going to be US soldiers doing it. It is going to be troops brought in by something like the UN. If that happens, it is going to be over real quick, and not with the results that you think are going to happen.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


Let's put your argument in perspective.

In your examples, you are illustrating where Military/police have acted against Americans.
Granted.

The problem with your argument is the scope. Rounding up relatively small groups of unarmed people can not be equated to the US military/reserves/police/etc rounding up the pervasively armed citezens of the Unites States:

We are talking about (estimated....) 3-4 million "military" trying to contain and disarm 85 million (estimated..) citizens.

there are at least 86,650,000 Americans who own a gun.

On the other hand, if we allow that everyone who lives in a home with a gun has some ownership claim, the census says that each occupied dwelling in the United States houses 2.72 people. Which totals 235,675,000 Americans have some claim to gun ownership

Source

We already know that some percent of that 3-to-4 million would not follow orders...

If it could be done, it would have been done by now.

Cheers.

reply to post by tmeister182


And then I would honorably go fight them,that is MY honor.
Death is far preferable than to live under a globalist agenda.It's pretty easy too,but I would have a bag max before I go.

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by sealing

 

It would be like Jackie Chan versus a class of kindergarten children. Although there are more, and sure they will hit him, the odds are stacked against the untrained side.

Male cow feces. One thing that you haven't taken into consideration is the number of veteran's, who might remember some of their original training, like myself. If it happens it isn't going to be US soldiers doing it. It is going to be troops brought in by something like the UN. If that happens, it is going to be over real quick, and not with the results that you think are going to happen.

I took into account the number of veterans. Not too many of them have the same equipment/resources as the US government though. You can have as much training as you want. Perhaps my analogy wasn't as accurate as I wanted it to be.

Jackie Chan = US military
Kindergarten children with no hands=civilians
Kindergarten children with fists=veterans.

Plus, the people opposing the US will be labelled terrorists/traitors or whatever is fashionable at the time. That is one thing everyone on this thread (and similar threads) don't seem to get. They believe the US government will come after them and tell the public that they are going to start rounding up/killing civilians.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


happening since the stone age

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by sealing

 

It would be like Jackie Chan versus a class of kindergarten children. Although there are more, and sure they will hit him, the odds are stacked against the untrained side.

Male cow feces. One thing that you haven't taken into consideration is the number of veteran's, who might remember some of their original training, like myself. If it happens it isn't going to be US soldiers doing it. It is going to be troops brought in by something like the UN. If that happens, it is going to be over real quick, and not with the results that you think are going to happen.

Majority of the US Military is full of young men and women who just barely squeak by basic combat training and physical training tests. It is not a mob of Rambos. They are your fellow ATSers, sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, neighbors' kids, etc... They are not the bloodthirsty shoot-first ask no questions types that you are trying to paint them as.

Katrina is taking it to the nth degree. What a crappy situation to send anyone in. Cops wouldn't even go to certain areas. I think you're trying to make it sound like soldiers will gun down granny who is sitting on her rocking chair on front porch knitting a sweater. It's always the nth degree though I suppose, huh?

History shows no applicable examples of US Troops "attacking" US citizens.

so go get yur guns out !!!!


look behind you !!! they are everywhere !!!

get yur guns !!!!!

reply to post by DarthMuerte


They are just following orders. That is a cop out that has been used very often through out history.

"I was just following orders derp"

There were soldiers from Katrina that woke up. They said there was no arguing they would have shot American if they resist turning over guns. A lot of these soldiers are young and don't know better but to take orders. It's the reason why they recruit young people.

Isolated incidents not withstanding the fed wouldn't stand a chance.
blog.wilsoncombat.com...
They need to focus on real issues that can solve problems,not politics.
If they don't this guy might be in deep doo doo before the end of the year.

How many of you guys that think that soldiers would fire on Americans on a large scale have spent any time at all in the Military??

I know it's a common stereotype that all of the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines are just mindless drones, but if you actually spent some time in the military, you'd know different.

Make your poor generalizations all you want. You'll still be wrong.

Originally posted by primus2012

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by sealing

 

It would be like Jackie Chan versus a class of kindergarten children. Although there are more, and sure they will hit him, the odds are stacked against the untrained side.

Male cow feces. One thing that you haven't taken into consideration is the number of veteran's, who might remember some of their original training, like myself. If it happens it isn't going to be US soldiers doing it. It is going to be troops brought in by something like the UN. If that happens, it is going to be over real quick, and not with the results that you think are going to happen.

Majority of the US Military is full of young men and women who just barely squeak by basic combat training and physical training tests. It is not a mob of Rambos. They are your fellow ATSers, sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, neighbors' kids, etc... They are not the bloodthirsty shoot-first ask no questions types that you are trying to paint them as.

Katrina is taking it to the nth degree. What a crappy situation to send anyone in. Cops wouldn't even go to certain areas. I think you're trying to make it sound like soldiers will gun down granny who is sitting on her rocking chair on front porch knitting a sweater. It's always the nth degree though I suppose, huh?

History shows no applicable examples of US Troops "attacking" US citizens.

Careful now, you're going against stereotypes.

The biggest threat to American civilians is ironically the discipline of the police and the military to follow orders. Orders which should be to protect and serve or defend Americans but if the command is given to confiscate weapons, round up civilians or even fire on peaceful protesters then many will follow them especially if others (police or soldiers) are complying also. Even if they think it is an unlawful order they will follow it for FEAR of ostracism, loss of job or worse in wartime...and that it is up to someone else - someone higher up to challenge those orders.

Originally posted by superman2012
I took into account the number of veterans. Not too many of them have the same equipment/resources as the US government though.

You can have as much training as you want. Perhaps my analogy wasn't as accurate as I wanted it to be.

Jackie Chan = US military
Kindergarten children with no hands=civilians
Kindergarten children with fists=veterans.

Plus, the people opposing the US will be labelled terrorists/traitors or whatever is fashionable at the time. That is one thing everyone on this thread (and similar threads) don't seem to get. They believe the US government will come after them and tell the public that they are going to start rounding up/killing civilians.

Have you taken into account who feeds these troops, who repairs their weapons, who delivers their ammunition, who maintains their living quarters and a myriad of other things? CIVILIANS they very people who are supposedly going to be rounded up or shot. The US military couldn't last a month on it's own.

And if you think a bunch of nitwits can stop it with their guns, you are equally deluded.

Stop being divided. Stop supporting corporations. Stop permitting electronic voting machines. SO muc we can do, but the nitwit American won't.

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Originally posted by superman2012
I took into account the number of veterans. Not too many of them have the same equipment/resources as the US government though.

You can have as much training as you want. Perhaps my analogy wasn't as accurate as I wanted it to be.

Jackie Chan = US military
Kindergarten children with no hands=civilians
Kindergarten children with fists=veterans.

Plus, the people opposing the US will be labelled terrorists/traitors or whatever is fashionable at the time. That is one thing everyone on this thread (and similar threads) don't seem to get. They believe the US government will come after them and tell the public that they are going to start rounding up/killing civilians.

Have you taken into account who feeds these troops, who repairs their weapons, who delivers their ammunition, who maintains their living quarters and a myriad of other things? CIVILIANS they very people who are supposedly going to be rounded up or shot. The US military couldn't last a month on it's own.

Have you taken into account martial law? If you want your freedom, food, clean water, education for your children, shelter, protection, you will cease to become a civilian and start working for the military. Have you taken into account the freedoms you enjoy are very easy to take away? All they have to do is take away everything you have and give it back to you if you comply. Do you know/have the means to: locate and clean water? locate, hunt, clean your food? grow your own vegetables? build your own shelter? make your own clothes? heat up your shelter? protect your children? Now can you do any of those things without drawing attention to yourself so that the government won't even know you are there?

reply to post by dave_welch


...and history. Veterans are US troops until they die right?

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
And if you think a bunch of nitwits can stop it with their guns, you are equally deluded.

Stop being divided. Stop supporting corporations. Stop permitting electronic voting machines. SO muc we can do, but the nitwit American won't.

A bunch of nitwits? Maybe not. Eighty million or so nitwits ... yeah.

I keep seeing such nonsense. Do you think your puny guns will stop a tank? Do you think your little pea shooters can stop an F-16? Do you thing a bunch of rednecks with deer rifles can take on the military? lolololol ...

No, but a puny gun can kill the guys driving the fuel trucks that supply those tanks and planes, or the food to the troops, or the medical supplies to the hospitals, or the ammunition, etc .... And, any of those trucks stopped from getting to their destination become the property of US citizens, along with anything they may be carrying. I wonder what kind of havoc one of those captured fuel trucks, an explosive device, a brick and a rope could do?

A 'little pea shooter' can take out a man from 800 or more yards away. Your standard deer rifle will shoot through most body armor, and really it doesn't matter because many of those rednecks with guns are good enough to hit you where the armor isn't anyway. Americans aren't Afghanis with 30 year old AK's with shot-out barrels, and even they have turned out to not be such pushovers everyone thought they would be. I think maybe a certain nitwit didn't think things through.

Not saying it would be easy. Millions would die. A gorilla war 3000 miles wide. Most likely, the Military would just try to hold a few key cities. New York, D.C. Chicago, L.A.( meh, they'd probably let L.A. burn), Denver, etc ... They would probably even have trouble with that many.

I'm not advocating such things, nor do I want to see them come to pass ... but if an army decided it wanted to attack Americans on American soil, any army, the #storm that would ensue .... nobody wants that.

My concern wouldn't really be the military in a shtf scenario. It would be the cops. Yes there are many good cops out there, but there are also many who put on that uniform and it turns them into big a-holes with big attitudes and big chips on their shoulders who feel they are superior to us mere 'civilians'. Imagine those guys being turned loose to 'keep the peace' without much fear of reprimand for wrong doing.