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While there ARE a lot of soldiers that would fire on americans, there are also a LOT of soldiers that would refuse such an order. It's not an either/or scenario. Some would, some wouldn't.
On top of that, if the S really HTF, its far more likely that it wouldn't be america troops sent in to fight in america, at least until it truly got out of control. It would be foreign troops (NATO, UN), and it would be private contractors. And neither one of those groups would have any issue with such an order.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
While there ARE a lot of soldiers that would fire on americans, there are also a LOT of soldiers that would refuse such an order.
It's not an either/or scenario. Some would, some wouldn't.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
I keep seeing threads on this subject, and I generally stay out of it, but here's the thing-it seems to me that there are very few people foolish enough to believe that there are plenty of soldiers that would fire on americans. ANyone who believes that is just plain gullible and/or not very bright.
But it seems to me most of the people starting these threads are missing some of the point.
While there ARE a lot of soldiers that would fire on americans, there are also a LOT of soldiers that would refuse such an order.
It's not an either/or scenario. Some would, some wouldn't.
On top of that, if the S really HTF, its far more likely that it wouldn't be america troops sent in to fight in america, at least until it truly got out of control. It would be foreign troops (NATO, UN), and it would be private contractors. And neither one of those groups would have any issue with such an order.
They were the same at Kent State, at the DNC convention in Chicago, during the Whiskey Rebellion, etc... It has happened many times in the past. It will happen again. I am not saying "all", I am ex-military myself and I would not have followed such an order. However, many will.
Originally posted by Skagnetty
You guys are out of your minds.
I am a former infantry Marine, my little brother is a medic in the Army. There is no way my platoon and myself would have shot on innocent Americans. Not to say there aren't people who will in the military, but that is just the 1% of all people that are just insane and ruin # for everyone.
The US military isn't made up of cold hearted evil war mongers who are just looking to drop bodies anywhere we can. It is made up of 18-20somethings who are just normal kids, criticizing them for volunteering to do a job that had to be done, that nobody else wants to do.
In my opinion conspiracy theory nuts that run rampant on ATS are more likely to fire on their fellow Americans than any US military unit.
This was before the end of Posse Comitatus. Now that it no longer applies, you can expect regular army troops to fulfill those roles. They were still mainly 18-20 year old troops "following orders" to shoot fellow Americans.
Originally posted by Shamrock6
reply to post by DarthMuerte
Kent State = National Guard
DNC Chicago (I assume you meant 1968?) = National Guard
You definitely look at the Whiskey Rebellion through the eyes of a "statist". President Washington called out the "militia", there was no "US Army" yet, for use against farmers who were unwilling to pay Alexander Hamilton's whiskey tax. The whiskey tax was actually the nation's first attempt at an income tax. Washington committed treason by using troops against citizens and should have been stood against a wall along with Hamilton. Had that been done, I doubt the statists would have nearly as much power as they do now.
Originally posted by Shamrock6Whiskey Rebellion = local militia attacks a US Marshal at his home after he's attempted to serve writs....
The marshal was acting illegally trying to enforce an unconscionable law. The farmers rightly resisted implementation of Hamilton's unjust law. Washington called up national troops, THE ARMY DID NOT EXIST THEN, to squash the tax resistors.
Originally posted by Shamrock6
reply to post by DarthMuerte
you can't have it both ways dude. you're citing examples of the US military acting against citizens as a warning against future actions, but the examples you're citing are of National Guard units which are STATE MILITIA being used, and NOT federal military forces.
as for the rebellion, you're right. Washington raised a militia.....IN RESPONSE to the already formed militia that had acted against the Marshal. I'm not debating the tax issue, I'm pointing out that you're citing examples of military action against citizens that are not what you're trying to paint them out to be.
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