Iran’s cutting-edge Fighter a hoax, critics claim

reply to post by Zaphod58


Oh, okay. It's useless. Honestly, if its a slow mover, their dumber than I thought. From the look of it, I doubt it would be able to carry the pilot's weight, I don't see that craft carrying any kind of ordnance.

I mean, from what aircraft I've seen, either Iran thought of something we haven't in aerodynamics or their simply a long way behind the curve.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

Oh, okay. It's useless. Honestly, if its a slow mover, their dumber than I thought. From the look of it, I doubt it would be able to carry the pilot's weight, I don't see that craft carrying any kind of ordnance.

I mean, from what aircraft I've seen, either Iran thought of something we haven't in aerodynamics or their simply a long way behind the curve.

edit on 4-2-2013 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

Sorry..

Is this your usual way of trolling to insult an ancient nation? Long before the existence of your fore, fore father they cultivated civilization as we know it today, excuse the question but is there a race between your stupidity and ignorance..?

Why can’t you just accept the fact that THEY CAN AND THEY DOWHAT EVER THEY WISHES. Who are YOU to judge..?

The design of the aircraft is simply bold, neat and exclusive, now.. do better if you don’t like it.

Really do hope that they (test fly) this plane over the (Israeli sky) so if anything goes wrong at least it can be used as kamikaze bomber.

Way to go Iran…..

These people must be incredibly desperate to try and pawn that model as a world class fighter.I've had more dangerous toys.Its OK though they still have those open cockpit flying boats with the lawn mower engines to keep them safe

God I love this board. If it wasn't made by the US it sucks. Worst case of A. S. S. I have ever seen anywhere. This is actually quite an elegant design, but since they do like anyone else has done, and release a mockup instead of a prototype, and don't immediately have it flying it has to suck. Give me a break. Since it's not a Mach 12 fighter it has to suck. What a joke.

Holy cow folks, read back a few replies before you post...

It's a 'mock-up', a plastic representation, for display purposes, of the yet-to-be-completed aircraft. (of a bomber, not a fighter).

Like a small model of a building an architect will create, and display, to represent his yet to be completed design.


Here I am filming a 'mock-up' of a Columbia 400 (now owned by Cessna) for my design research. Nope, it wont fly.

reply to post by Lonewulph


It doesn't matter. It's Iranian, it has to suck beyond belief and will only be used for American target practice.

Iran have done this before with the Shafaq advanced Light Attack/Trainer aircraft.

By 2005 all that was known to exist of the Shafaq, other than paper drawings, were models and a full-scale mockup that had been seen on Iranian television.

www.globalsecurity.org...

As for this Qaher F-313 thing it seems like a propaganda exercise.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Saturday 02 February 2013 unveiled a what was described as a "new super modern fighter plane" by Iranian sources

“implausible aerodynamics and Hollywood sheen” and was laughably small for a fighter jet.

www.globalsecurity.org...

I think it will be highly unlikely to ever be a real plane, we'll wait and see but I bet 10 billion dollars nothing ever comes of it, like the other one. This is not a "new super modern fighter plane" it is a little piece of crap. The wings are too small and fat the intakes are tiny the whole thing is too short and fat and it's tiny. LOL.
That's my 2c anyway.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Well the more interesting point to me, over the design of the craft, is their ability to create their own air force with their own designs.

Even if the plane is not up to par with western counterparts that is something that can eventually be fixed with the design process.

It appears to me that we have a new arms race forming in the Middle East.

Originally posted by JimTSpock
I think it will be highly unlikely to ever be a real plane, we'll wait and see but I bet 10 billion dollars nothing ever comes of it, like the other one. This is not a "new super modern fighter plane" it is a little piece of crap. The wings are too small and fat the intakes are tiny the whole thing is too short and fat and it's tiny. LOL.
That's my 2c anyway.

edit on 4-2-2013 by JimTSpock because: spelling

It's a subsonic F/A aircraft, which means it's probably going to be used almost exclusively as a strike aircraft. So the fat wing won't matter any. The intakes will work with a J85 type engine, which is small and can get by with a fairly small amount of air. As for it being tiny, it's a mockup. Of course it is. As for fat, the F-35 is pretty fat too.

reply to post by Spookycolt


It is for me too. They're taking almost nothing because of the sanctions, and they are building a military. I'm quite impressed to be honest.

reply to post by cass1dy09


Seriously? Does Israel just resort to lying to it's people and ours? Iran HAS built jets before, they can build them, why would this one be any different. It's really weird this push to make Iran seem stupid. It's some kind of goofy villian approach. "They are evil, but incompetent"

It's really annoying. I don't think they are particularly evil but definitely not stupid.

This jet is real. It is their first stealth fighter. How well it performs is anyone's question.

A prototype version of the Qaher-313 has been portrayed to have test-flown at some point before the presentation.[9] According to the head of the design team two sub-sized models have been created and tested. One of the models uses a propeller engine while the other uses a small micro jet engine.[10] The models were shown in a video clip (along with descriptions by the head of the design team) the same day.[11] According to Haaretz, the "blurry video published by the Iranians purporting to show the Qaher 313 in flight seems to show not a manned fighter jet but a small radio-operated drone."[6]

The aircraft design is a canard configuration. It is claimed to be a stealth fighter built with "advanced materials" with a very low radar signature[14] and with low-altitude operations capability.[16] It was also claimed that the Qaher can take off and land on short runways and has "easy maintenance".[17]

Flight Global noted that the Qaher-313 resembles the Boeing Bird of Prey prototype, but with a more faceted design similar to the 1970s-era Lockheed Have Blue that was developed into the now retired F-117 Nighthawk. Flight Global also said, "given the apparent small size of the aircraft and its single engine design, the Qaher 313 could be powered by reverse engineered variants of the General Electric J85 turbojet that Iran is known to have in its possession." Iran has General Electric J85s as a result of old Northrop F-5s in its inventory.[8]

It's funny that they admit they tested two subsized models freely but critics ignore it and say that the plane is a remote controlled drone and the cockpit is too simple and resembles a private plane.

Obviously they have only shown smaller versions and a mock up. I have no doubt that they can produce this plane.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Its not that they are stupid, just that this is out of character. They didn't even have an arms program until their war with Iraq.

Now they are building up with nukes and stealth aircraft.

Do you not find that interesting?

reply to post by Zaphod58


That might be interesting if this thing ever enters service with the Iranian airforce. You don't really think this will ever amount to anything do you? You might be waiting a very long time. It's propaganda like the other one.

I don't think there's anyway Iran could build a new fighter and it would be any good, only a few countries in the world can do it and it takes them huge amounts of time, research, testing and money as you know.

Until I see Iran flying some of these things and see some performance specs on it I just can't take it seriously. And nor should it be.

reply to post by Spookycolt


Yes, but saying it's a stealth doesn't make it one. It could be that they had help also from either Russia or China, both of which have stealth aircraft in testing. Russia also had studied those pieces of the F-117 that was shot down in Yugoslavia. So there are any number of ways they could have gotten to here, or maybe they're just saying it's stealthy to give their morale a boost. Who knows. The point is they are anything but stupid, and are being horribly underestimated by the people on this board and others.

reply to post by JimTSpock


Whether it does or not, I'm not going to underestimate the Iranians, nor am I going to suffer from A.S.S. like so many other people on the boards have been lately. Regardless of whether it's ever put into service, it's an impressive design.

reply to post by JimTSpock


It may be easier for them to do since the technology is already invented. Maybe if they had access to it then its easier to just copy it rather then building it from the ground up.

Time will tell, not sure why they would want the expense of a plane like this since the odds of them being shot down in a shooting match are very high.

Maybe its simply just for image issues.

reply to post by Spookycolt


Interesting in what way? That they have outside threats so they are building up their military, or are you suggesting their is something fishy about it? A lot of their advances are from reverse engineering other engines and planes. They have one of our stealth drones even.

They have made jets before
en.wikipedia.org...
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Read through this thread and any story about Iran producing something of their own and you will see stories of how goofy it is. I mean I don't care, I think Israel and Iran are both assholes, but it's just propaganda and it gets old.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Iran has built jets? You mean the obsolete old Northrop F-5 with the twin tails, the Saeqeh. Better off buying Flankers from Russia or China if they can.

reply to post by JimTSpock


Why is there no way they could produce an aircraft that could be any good? That is the kind of propaganda induced brainwashing I am talking about. They have PLENTY of aircraft from the US, Russia, etc to reverse engineer.

What about their Azarakhsh combat jet fighter? It flies and we don't have any flight data, it may function very well. It was manufactured based on a Northrop f-5, I bet it performs fine.