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In all honesty, I don't even know if that member would even like that post or that it even reflected her point of view. For all I know, she hated that reply.
Originally posted by ImpactoR
reply to post by ZetaRediculian
Got to love those (un)paid members' advocates. I said - I don't care about getting stars, never post for them, though I find it strange someone getting stars for a post that assumes something I did not even imply, as if a wrong post claimed to be correct, nah.
I just know here thinking, cause I've seen her opinion many times, now why should there be a 3rd party messing here?
Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
You have been using the the word "Logic" quite often and have yet to demonstrate anything resembling such. You cry "foul" when someone uses the same tactic you do. You have implied that I said something I did not. I back up my points with your own words. "I just know her thinking" is an (speaking in absolutes for illustrative purposes only) absolutely useless point. Back up what your saying ,otherwise, your comments are just LOGICAL TRICKERY! By doing so, you may actually point out a flaw in logic or way of thinking. You may even get a few more stars.
I am pretty sure I addressed the accusation of being someones advocate. My only goal is to point out flaws in logic which I believe I am doing considering te reaction I am getting. I am discussing the topic "Logical Trickery". I suppose that such a discusion could get rather circular and tricky.
Originally posted by ImpactoR
Why do you talk on behalf of her, are you her agent or speaker or as I said correctly, some advocate??? Wow, who is even talking to you? Or are you one of those that like to argue for the sake of arguing even if no one calls them, wrong or right who cares, has-to-argue!
I will pick on you then, since you are so eager. First of all I know how she thinks, I am basing this on observation. And based on that observation, I know she repeats all the time 'needs empriical evidence'.
I saw that, but don't see the part where you implied she said things don't exist due to lack of...those were your words, I believe, that you then argued against, beat to death and then attributed to her. I pointed that out as did another poster.
Did you not see that part?
nothing.
What you know of my knowing about her?
Who? Drucilla or my precious baby "logic"? I am attempting to have a discussion about "Logical Trickery" and its not going so well. Or maybe it is? I don't know, I can't tell as, by nature, its a tricky subject.
Why do we even discuss her?
Yes I do
You attack me on logic?
yes, the imaginary base with the imgainary drucilla saying stuff you imagined. I know that place well but I don't think you want me to imagine what is going on there. This is not scoffing. I don't even know what scoffing is. This is logical trickery. which, I believe I have now mastered.
Go backwards, see the example with the base I gave. Does not seeing something in plain sight mean it doesnt exist? Is this religion to you? I am saying simple logic, and it is, when there are things suggesting possibility, accept is as possibility, doubt it, but dont exclude it as if you knwo for sure. Or this is scoffing!
Fair enough. Now my question is who is saying this? Who is saying they know for sure? Saying that there is no evidence for something is not the same as saying there is no evidence, therefore it does not exist. My point is that I don't think anyone is saying that and yet you are attributing this way of thinking to someone. maybe i am wrong, maybe they do think like that. I don't know. You have not made it evident that this is the case. I don't know how else to explain this. It is logical trickery.
I am saying simple logic, and it is, when there are things suggesting possibility, accept is as possibility, doubt it, but dont exclude it as if you knwo for sure
Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
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Yes I do
That's why the incentive structure of contemporary scientists is such that they will not accept
alien visitation unless they must, which would be when they get irrefutable physical proof.
That's why the incentive structure of contemporary scientists is such that they will not accept
alien visitation unless they must, which would be when they get irrefutable physical proof.
Originally posted by ImpactoR
----Quote Whatever - not gonna cut texts and format only cause of your childish 'quote every sentence---
Yes I do
I disagree. Typically, when someone has no apparent cohesion in thier posting, i use this method to address each point they try to make.
Oh yes, and when I mention are you one of those that argue for the same of arguing... this QUOTE EVERY SENTENCE is a typical feature of those kind... also so childish.
So instead of wasting my time to quote every single sentence I will summarize it:
I am talking about the flaws in logic 'Aliens are not real enver happened, all is a lie' - Yes I am not certain but based on the secrecy that still exists, I think, one shouldn't exclude it yet... And I gave example with My base how something may be there but due to denial many will think is all just bogus stories;
So see where I point the flaws in logic?
And Drusdilla's thinking is that, And she asks me if I am saying one should believe such like Steve Greer? And then she gets stars as if 'Right on!' WHILE I never said people should trust some like Greer..
I don't think thats fair. People do change their positions on topics as they explore. I know I have to some degree. I sometimes resist the temptation to continue an argument with someone in another thread. It just appears uncalled for by other posters. Maybe someone made you cry in another thread and was mean to you. I don't know. Why are we still talking about her? can we talk about me instaed?
and then I told her that with the logic she has based on previous times, not be claiming non exsitence of unknown things, I am talking about the whole aliens topic, not about LOGIC and I point out the fallacy in the logic being certain it is all fake
Obviously this is not going anywhere. You can can accuse me of whatever you like. I pointed out how your argument was flawed, provided supporting documentation and stayed on topic without accusing you of anything. apparently I am an advocate of someone else, a troll and a scoffer. I am sure there was something else I missed. One last time. The falacy of your argument is called the straw man argument.
Originally posted by ImpactoR
Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
WHATEVER
Not gonna bother reading through text to see which is mine and which is yours, Learn to make constructive paragraphs to address things. Arguing every sentence of mine does not make your point any more valid, also is hard to read when I click the quote button to address your pointless arguing in every aspect. Quoting every sentence is stupid, and arrogant, you cannot argue every sentence unless you are some troll, which you seem to be. You argue a whole meaning, not sentence, whenever you argue as you wish, don't expect to be taken seriously.
Your base example is bogus. sorry. Its a straw man argument as best as I can tell en.wikipedia.org...
The only thing bogus is your arguments towards mine, Is this all you can bring? Saying it is bogus and posting some link of definition when I showed you clearly how a place, base, or alien aircraft recovery could be considered fake and yet it exists. Where is the failure? I gave you an absolute example of how one may wrongly suggest the place/base/being does not exist...
You fail at arguing shut up when you cannot even bring proper arguments.
No you are talking bullcrap, no one upset me ROFL I said in the 1st post here, I do not believe anything until there is harder evidence but I do not exclude. Thus, no one 'hurt my feelings about the topic' SINCE I DO NOT HAVE ANY.
Look at my sig below, you scoffer. That's what you are and should be ignored. Until it is proven what kind of things are secret, everything to which there are clues including aliens is acceptable to assume.edit on 2-2-2013 by ImpactoR because: (no reason given)
To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position
Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by ImpactoR
What the hell are you quibbling about?
Are you really so completely shallow, lacking in facility and comprehension as well as being so clueless to not see my point that "The Logical Trickery of the UFO Skeptic" is the LEAST thing anyone has to, or should be worrying about?
The illogical self-deluding, self-trickery of the common believer, combined with a subject awash with an entire ocean full of charlatans, attention seekers, flat out liars, opportunists, and outright nutters is a far more grave concern than worrying about anyone that wants real data.
Try reading between the lines and quit being so hand flapping running around in circles crying about it literal.
edit on 2-2-2013 by Druscilla because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kamikadze72
Remember the movie MATRIX
This is what I see you doing. The arguments are pretty well documented here. Thats my position. That's my point. If I am wrong, I am wrong. So far you have not refuted my one and only point. If you want to continue the discussion, just stop with all the histrionics and accusations and show me where I am wrong. I have been wrong before. It is no big deal. If you can't do that, just ignore me and move on.
Originally posted by Druscilla
The illogical self-deluding, self-trickery of the common believer, combined with a subject awash with an entire ocean full of charlatans, attention seekers, flat out liars, opportunists, and outright nutters is a far more grave
That was totally awesome man...remeber when that guy was like doing all those cool moves in slow motion...and like was really cool..remenber that? Remember the movie Terminator? And like how cool that was? Remember that guy Chris Farley and like interviewed that guy from the Beatles...remember that?
Originally posted by draknoir2
Originally posted by Kamikadze72
Remember the movie MATRIX
Yeah, I do.
It was a movie.