Super volcano awakening in Italy?

Ah man.....

I really hope it doesn't go. I lived there from 1981 to 1985. Such a beautiful place, and I knew a lot of people there.

I remember all the earthquakes we went through while I was there. NOT fun!

Well if there is a super volcano eruption at least we won't need to worry about man made climate change anymore. Well done OP.

When I saw this thread TA, it made me think of the Prophecy of the Popes. Non-Catholic here, and not a believer in Cayce or Nostradamus, which I know some claimed wrote this Prophecy instead of St. Malachy, but it made me go hmm.

Besides, this is ATS and what is a good super volcano thread without some good prophetic conspiracy!

I know it's wiki, but not a lot of time this morning, and at least the wiki article has some good additional sources, but here:

en.wikipedia.org...

"The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI, a pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome."

This about the last Pope, which is "supposed" to be soon, after the current Benedict.

112 Peter the Roman, who will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The end.

A Super Volcano would destroy the "City of Seven Hills"

Anyway, food for thought.

WOW!! I have been there!! One day I'll make a thread on the places I went. Amazing to say the least! Lots of history there. Loved it.

I was in this area of Italy two years ago!

It is amazing there. It would be a bad thing for any volcano to go off now, there are a lot of people and they build right up on the sides of these volcanoes. There are hotels and restaurants up and down the volcanoes there even Vesuvius.

Volcanoes are pretty nuts and scary. When I saw Pompeii and the people that were "frozen" by the ash it made you realize how bad it was. Pompeii was much bigger than I had imagined and to think it was destroyed in such a short amount of time that people were left frozen in positions of prayer or huddled in corners. It was a surreal site. It was sad too because as you walk around you see peoples homes and you start to imagine how life was before Vesuvius erupted.

Sorry I didn't add anything relevant I just dont' see many posts on this area and it's one place I have been that i realllllly enjoyed!

reply to post by TrueAmerican


People in Italy should think about moving to USA......Oh crap, you will be moving closer to yellowstone......Oh well, our time here has been fun.....

What's you opinion on what this volcano is going to do TA?

Is it going to blow, or is this just something normal??

Very good find, there was another thread on four volcanoes erupting in Russia today too.

Its the push, pull and squeeze effect of the sun. However all of the planets influence each other, including the moon.
We also have the vibrations and frequencies etc.

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
What's you opinion on what this volcano is going to do TA?

Is it going to blow, or is this just something normal??

Well, I think we have to be careful of how media spin reports, for one thing. Active super volcanoes are an easy target for fearmongering, because the media can always take the side of "hey, our best scientists just don't know, so therefore, it could blow any time."

And I'll be the first to admit it, that I DO take that same side sometimes. Let's face it: It really is a terrifying thought that one of these things could go off. But education on these beasts really does help counter that point of view, for what it's worth. They are huge, active systems that burp, grumble and tremble from time to time. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. All we can do is watch.

As one poster earlier put it in this thread, we may not have to speculate much at all if a large CFE were imminent, for the signs would likely be quite clear. I mean that's what all the science says. It's still a volcano, albeit a very big one. And all indications are that if it were going to blow, gas emissions, deformation, and much bigger earthquakes would be out the roof and over the top.

The overall point being, that this super volcano has done this before. Even in the event harmonic tremor occurs, it can stop just as soon as it started, with no eruption whatsoever. When you figure Mt. St. Helens was inflating at a rate of up to five feet per day prior to blowing, it just makes sense that a massive volcano like this would likely do similar, or worse.

I am trying to talk sense, but just keep in mind, that often the earth just refuses to come to OUR senses, and has a mind of its own.

I hate to digress, and i know the earth is SUPPOSED to be cooling slowly.....
I am suggesting it isnt exactly following theory well.
If it were cooling wouldnt it tend to shrink slightly?
Its not a perfect shpere to start with though.....so that would lead to further ground deformations maybe?
Just thingk of ALL the present day volcano alerts that have gone yellow in the last year or two.....
(not exactly pre eruption but active) as well as the ones that did blow....and the red alerts issued...
Logic requires that the energy for all this activity be enormous.....and where is it all derived?
I just think that perhaps some stray cosmic force or particles may be exciting the core somehow.....
What makes the sun Cycles?? perhaps the earth too has cycles but longer periods?
We couldnt know because we havent been here that long or qwhatever destroyed the previous civilisation (pre sumer)
left no traces for us to figure out...??
The Ice age was supposed to be volcanic i thought
So, why not a repeat?
I just think we are too egotistic to see whats happening...as we cling to concepts we devised in our heads

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Amazed that ATS have censored a link because they claim the site has lied about them.

Let people decide for themselves! Disgusting behaviour - the moderator who did this should be ashamed of themselves.

Originally posted by MariaLida

Can't post some links also ..

If people want to see what ATS censored they simply need to click "reply with quotes" and all the text you entered, including links, is visible.

Originally posted by twitchy

ATS removed this??? I'm glad I quoted it or I would never have known... just remove innoculous and relevant links to sites they 'don't like'. What the hell is up with ATS lately... can't discuss this, can't talk about that, can't link to this or that, hoax forums... it's not improving that's for sure. What's next, Infowars or truthout?

Its disgusting. No doubt they'll censor posts criticising their behaviour too.

Childish off topic censorship. I like sott (.) net too.
I'm rather worried about economy than a dust. One bigger volcano these days could pull an economic trigger. Italy has a barrel in a mouth. A gun was borrowed from Germany. EU runs on thin ice in the middle of the lake.

Undersea volcano threatens southern Italy

The above is from back in 2010. Definitely a hot zone here in Italy/Sicily.

Question remains as always - when.

peace

Can someone link, or provide data in regards to this. I cant find anything.

All I find is old news articles dating back to August 2012 suggesting that it may happen. All the other reports are current and copy/pasting one another.

Back in 2012

The scientists are drilling to the centre of Campi Flegrei to install a monitoring system which gives advanced warning of any dangerous rumblings.

Wheres the data?

I blame those geologists for drilling into it!

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Jane

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Some info about strong historical EQ in that area, also have reports very strong EQ's hit Croatia and China in that year..

mediumaevum.tumblr.com...

Of major note was a tsunami created by the earthquake which destroyed many ships in Naples and destroyed many ports along the Amalfi Coast including Amalfi itself.

8.5 Mb excellent paper and research for this area, pdf ..

Multiparametric data analysis for seismic source identification
in the Campanian area: merging of seismological, structural
and gravimetric data
G. GAUDIOSI1, G. ALESSIO1, F. CELLA2,

www2.ogs.trieste.it...

This subject caught my eye and caused me to register and post. (Hi all by the way).

Have had an amateuristic interest in super volcano's and the link between super volcanic eruptions and subsequent global cooling. There is a mountain of strong evidence that links the two things together, I wont site that here because I am sure you are all aware of this already.

Over time though I have considered how often in Science we get these things backwards, upside down or inside out and have developed a theory that perhaps the same is true here.

Current thinking suggests that an eruption fills the atmosphere with particulate which blocks out sunlight and causes cooling - very plausible.

I also subscribe to the theory that natural cycles driving natural warming and cooling - not the activity of man or beast.

So, is it possible that the natural global cooling cycle which increases the weight of ice pack upon land mass, which cools the outer surface of the planet, disrupts the normal, non threatening behaviour of a super volcano (which is now no longer to expand and contract easily) resulting in a restricted building of pressure beneath the cooled and retracting crust until the point of an explosive eruption?

I liken this to putting a lid on a boiling saucepan. If the lid is loose, the gases (steam in this case) are released slowly and gently, it may boil over (like an small volcanic eruption) but no real harm is done. If however you add weight to that lid or reduce the space available for expansion, the pressure builds inside the pan and gases (again steam in this case) explode from the pan more violently (as with an explosive eruption).

I think that we have missed the pre-cursor here and confused the end result with the root cause. The root cause of the eruption (global cooling) then precipitates further cooling through atmospheric particulates and propagates a return to significantly colder conditions globally - perhaps even as far as an 'ice-age'.

I would appreciate ATS members pulling this apart to put my mind at ease!

Thanks all.

Originally posted by BigfatDave
So, is it possible that the natural global cooling cycle which increases the weight of ice pack upon land mass, which cools the outer surface of the planet, disrupts the normal, non threatening behaviour of a super volcano (which is now no longer to expand and contract easily) resulting in a restricted building of pressure beneath the cooled and retracting crust until the point of an explosive eruption?

Well in order for that to be true, you would have to show that a super volcano was covered in ice. And in no case that I know of is there an active super volcano completely covered by a glacier. The heat alone coming from one would impede that. Further, even in the case of smaller volcanoes which are covered by ice, like Mt. Rainier and others for example, you'd have to show that this condition increases the chances of a volcano erupting due to the capping effect. And good luck with that...Cause Rainier's been covered with ice for an awful long time.

Katla in Iceland would be another example, and in that case heat from below simply melts the ice when the volcano gets active. But if a massive glacier all of sudden appeared over the entirety of Yellowstone Park, and shut off the steam vents- yeah, I might could see the pressure building quickly.

February 5, 2013 – NAPLES, ITALY – A restive supervolcano west of Naples is raising nervousness in the local Italian population. The ground of the Campi Flegrei “burning fields,” also known as the Phlegraean Fields, has risen more in recent weeks than it has in a long time. This does not necessary indicate a heightened risk of an eruption, however, said Thomas Wiersberg, a scientific drilling expert for the German Research Centre for Geosciences (GFZ) in Potsdam. The Phlegraean Fields are a large caldera, or volcanic crater, lying mostly underwater off the Italian coast. The caldera is thought to have been formed by a massive eruption some 35,000 to 40,000 years ago. The last major eruption in the fields of boiling mud and sulphurous steam holes, one of a few dozen super volcanoes worldwide, occurred in 1538. Wiersberg is part of an international research team that began drilling into the ground not far from the caldera last summer to monitor possible early warning signs of an eruption. The team has drilled a pilot hole to a depth of 500 meters but no data has been gathered yet, Wiersberg said in an interview with dpa. Italy’s Department of Civil Protection recently raised the alert level for the Phlegraean Fields, where Wiersberg said the ground was rising by about three centimeters a month. There are concerns that a magma chamber under the fields, presumably connected to the one under Mount Vesuvius, east of Naples, is filling up, the rising pressure possibly heightening the danger of an eruption. As Wiersberg pointed out, however, the two episodes of considerable ground uplift since the 1960s were not followed by an eruption. The uplift in the early 1970s, about 1.50 meters in three years, was somewhat greater than the current one, he said. “Many houses cracked,” after which the ground deformation sharply subsided, Wiersberg said. “But it’s true that the uplift has increased again during the past two or three months.” An eruption could have serious consequences for the heavily populated region with knock-on effects for the whole of Europe. There could also be worldwide impact, for example in the form of climatic changes. No forecasts have been made thus far. Since super volcanoes seldom undergo massive eruptions, empirical data is lacking. “It’s easy to assert there’ll be an eruption sometime. That doesn’t help us, though. We need more specific information,” Wiersberg said. He said the drilling project aimed in part to monitor the Phlegraean Fields over the long term and gain more knowledge of what had occurred earlier in the super volcano. “First we’ve got to understand what’s happening under the surface,” Wiersberg said. Then it may be possible to say more about the likelihood of an eruption. Fears of nearby residents, and some scientists, that the drilling could “awaken” the super volcano have proved to be unfounded. “Technically, everything went smoothly. No additional volcanic activities were triggered, nor were there any problems with gases or fluids,” he noted. It has not yet been decided when the scientists will continue their project and begin drilling to a depth of 3km. “At the moment it’s mainly a financial question,” Wiersberg said. –News 24

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