Israel admits Ethiopian women were given birth control shots

Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

The Israeli gov released this message;

Health Minister director general instructs all gynecologists in Israel's four health maintenance organizations not to inject women with long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera if they do not understand ramifications of treatment.

Haaretz reports that the Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu, has instructed the four health maintenance organizations in the country to stop the practice immediately. The Israeli ministry and other state agencies have for long denied allegations that the government-funded health facilities were targeting Ethiopian women for selective use of the contraceptive.

www.haaretz.com...

Israel admit it selectively targeted Ethiopian women to take the shot. That is racist and a proponent of Eugenics.

European, American, or other immigrants were NOT targeted to be given the shot. They were also not given the option of take the shot or be denied entrance to the country. What don't you understand?

Also, the woman said she didn't want to take the shot. I can only imagine there was some amount of coercion involved since it was a government ran program.

edit on 28-1-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

No, they DENIED that they wee targeting Ethiopians, according to the article portion you provided. The key point made is that they are to be sure these women understand the purpose of the shots, before offering them. The women quoted state that they were told the shots prevented pregnancy.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


they were also told pregnancy was an illness and that these shots would prevent them from becoming sick

reply to post by FlyersFan


Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my friend still keeping the good fight and trying to bring the light into ignorance, but sadly you know what happen when threads on Israel are pushed here, they are nothing but bashing grounds.

I applaud Israel for trying to keep their small nation safe, they don't enjoy a socialized wealth fare system that rob from the hard working class to feed the none working one, while they spend their time reproducing themselves.

reply to post by dogstar23


Okay that makes more sense yes. And your right, people fully mature in any case when they start working. However there are situations where there simply are no jobs.

Yes I see what you mean that would cut down alot of chav births. Or it would create a huge divide line of those who toe the line and those who dont. The only problem is , the uneducated would continue to have babies even in the most harsh climates/housing/ situation. Im not kidding, if it wasnt for benefits. I could see even western women having babies in ghettos and not thinking anything is wrong with this. Because the desire is so great, I mean pro creation is narccistic. They have children to " see" themselves and their partner in the world. And the ego is so great that even if they were in a rat infested hole with children in holey shoes and so forth, they would still continue, people have alot of strange behaviours.

This is the reason democractic countries chose the option of supporting the lower class . Because if they didnt there would be huge poverty. Then it would be no different to the ethiopian circumstances, where there are large families with no food.

The article was not pushing that it was racist. It was racist. The educated ethiopians find it incredibly difficult to find jobs in Israel and do not get the same pay for doing the same work. This is fact. There is discrimination there. But I get the feeling that Israel admits this and is trying to " work" on ways to sort this.

Originally posted by byGRACE
You know 2 years ago I went to a planned parenthood to obtain Birth control as I had no health insurance. They had me fill out an application for state medicaid because apparently the government in America pays for Birth Control, I was approved my birth control was free. There was another lady there black mid 30s very upset who began telling me she was there for an abortion. There is a sticky discussion to get involved in, However she was upset so I listened to her, her boyfriend was gone, she worked full time had no children and was unsure how she would care for a child, but was unsure at her age if the opportunity would come again, also if this was a moral thing to do. I asked "what did the counselor say?", "what counselor she replied?". I then learned women were no longer given counseling to determine if abortion was right for them, I asked if she was given any other options she replied that she had not that she was told not to think of her child as a person. Wow this is a huge life altering decision that was weighing heavily on this woman and she was thrown in line for an abortion. I advised there was a center across the street that would give her counseling and options. After all choice implies that options are available, correct? Now my point is that in the US we do the same thing in fact we throw abortion in to the mix as well in fact 13 million abortions were performed in the last 30 years. Eugenics is alive and well here also.

That's a very true thing. PP clinics have been proven to push abortions for black women, too, more than for other groups. Of course, that doesn't mean our entire country is approving of eugenics; only that certain groups are doing it. IF anyone was forced in Israel (which I have yet to see proof for), that would be the same sort of thing, but that would not mean the entire country was practicing eugenics, either. It would mean some agency was doing so, just as Planned Parenthood is doing here.

Of course, there is a far different reason this could be happening. Israel is a nation, and they do have a right to set controls on their immigration. I don't think that the U.S. has enough controls, personally. In this case, maybe the reason they want to limit the numbers isn't about race, but about ideology. Maybe they have looked at what has happened in so many countries, and don't want to allow their country to suffer the same fate:

Ethiopian Muslim Population Hits 28 million & 1.57B Globally- AP

Considering all of the hostility from the Muslim world against Israel, I would say they have every right to take measures to prevent a takeover through immigration, that would turn their country into another Muslim state.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

When the person immigrates then they agree to the immigration laws ... and the laws include birth control shots.

But when such draconian immigration laws are directed at a specific group it looks racist.

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Many of the destitute Eastern European Jews that travelled across the Atlantic, packed like cattle into the ships steerage accommodation, were shunned by the established Jewry who had already made a life for themselves in America.

I am sure those squalid ships quarters held their share of pregnant Jewish women in their time, hoping for a better life in America. Many of those `burdensome` individuals left an indelible mark on America and along with many other destitute immigrants helped built America into the mighty nation it became.

Women should have sovereignty over there own reproductive cycles -


Give me your tired, your poor

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free….

I believe it was an American - Jewish women who first penned that inspiring piece of poetry.

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reply to post by UmbraSumus


Yep, the issue is one of consent. And equality.

I do get the feeling that alot of people just want black people dead.

Ive heard a myrid of reasons, like low IQ, because they breed too much, because they lead lives that are poor.

This much is clear. And Bill Gates is behind the African culling of black people via eugenics ect.

reply to post by WaterBottle


If this is true Israel just lost my support. I do wonder if it is true.

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
reply to post by UmbraSumus

 

Yep, the issue is one of consent. And equality.

I do get the feeling that alot of people just want black people dead.

Ive heard a myrid of reasons, like low IQ, because they breed too much, because they lead lives that are poor.

This much is clear. And Bill Gates is behind the African culling of black people via eugenics ect.

No that would be you, and prove your slander of Bill Gates.

The smartest, most loyal person I have ever known outside of my immediate family was black.

I'm not seeing a problem here in the overall scheme of things.

If certain societies, Ethopian, Inuit, whatever...... cannot sustain their own population without being a bourdon on others, they don't need one. Keep the population at a sustainable level on par with how much they can do to support themselves and keep the planet healthy at the same time. (You hear that China?) Why should any other society bear the bourdon of another one if that other one is irresponsible in the ways they conduct their lives? If unavoidable circumstances arise, that's one thing. But popping out puppies left and right when it's next to impossible to take of them yourselves is quite another. That's just flat out stupidity.

I'm sick and tired of people crying about other people who can't take care of themselves and how we should always help "bring them up". You know what? If you don't fix the reason societies like Ethopians have problems, all your good deed humanitarian work is pointless. If short term population control is needed to get a society back on track by the standards of civilized society, then so be it. Quit trying to make yourselves out to be some do-gooder with a higher purpose if you can't see the end result of what you're doing.

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
reply to post by MajorKarma

 

Okay I watched a few minutes of the first one and it was from a christian perspective. So I switched off.

Ive been around Jews PLENTY and I can tell you for full fact that Jews can be not only the most well adjusted people Ive ever known, but I know for sure fact that they dont go around raping kids. Besides this its the case that many americans infact do. Non jewish ones I might add. So stop with your lying.


Just say why you feel that Zionism is responsible for all the worlds ills.

edit on 28-1-2013 by FreedomEntered because: (no reason given)

Well, if they are making claims like that (I didn't bother to watch the videos), that isn't a "Christian" perspective, but a racist one, wearing a Christian label to try and make people turn against Israel and Jewish people. That's a fairly common thing. The simple fact, though, is that there are a ton of people who will post anything, say anything, etc., to try and demonize an entire people, even claiming that the targets of their blatant racism are the "racists". Such people always want to blame all the woes of the world on the people they hate.

Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
reply to post by Mamatus

 

This isn't always the case. In the UK, you find alot of the immigrants tend to do jobs that the rest of the country doesn't want, rendering them far from a burden. And altogeather very valueable.

edit on 28-1-2013 by FreedomEntered because: (no reason given)

Interesting that is the lie they have been spoon feeding Americans this years to shut their mouths about complaining against immigrants but statistics doesn't lie America plague of illegal immigration int has created from gangs and more drug cartels while importing nothing but poverty.

No everybody that comes across the border have a tag of "hard worker stamp on their foreheads".

You are so correct! (...on a lot of your posts, for that matter...) I have seen this sort of lie perpetuated for ages. This idea that these immigrants take jobs Americans won't is total BS. I worked in a hotel for some years, and was in charge of collecting and sorting applications. We ran into a real problem because the Hispanic housekeeping head refused to hire anyone that was not Hispanic, and she tended to hire mostly those with green cards, that didn't even speak English. We had a LOT of other people come in wanting those jobs, but it took a threat of legal action before any non-Hispanic s were hired in that department. Even then, she treated them like crap, and showed serious favoritism towards her Hispanic staff.

Then, there is the FACT that groups like La Raza come around, and state flat out that they believe parts of this country "belong to" Mexico, and that they will take over, and "take them back". All things considered, this required birth control for immigrants doesn't sound like a bad idea, if people want to preserve their country.

Originally posted by sirhumperdink
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

they were also told pregnancy was an illness and that these shots would prevent them from becoming sick

No, they were not told that at all. According to what the OP posted, they were told:

They told us people who frequently give birth suffer.

Meaning, women who give birth frequently can face health issues. That is true and factual information. It's better to wait at least two years between births. Even then, too many can cause problems. Every pregnancy causes scarring of the uterus. Every pregnancy places additional strains on the abdominal muscles. Every pregnancy pulls needed nutrients from the mother, to give to the baby. Having children one after the other is VERY draining physically. For poor women, who can't afford the best nutrition, this is an even bigger issue. So, these women were told this, and offered contraceptive injections. Plus, as has been stated many times, Israel has every right to control their immigrant population. People do NOT have to go there; they can choose some other country, if they want out of Ethiopia.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Well thats a lie . Women who breed alot dont always suffer. I know of one woman where I live who has 12 children and no this isnt a lie. She is VERY healthy and extremely happy. Its what fullfills her. Between shes not below the poverty line, they seem to do quite well.

My point is those who do have more than 3 births can be absolutely healthy for a long time.
Infact my great grandmother had 9 children and she lived well until 98yrs.

Really they just needed to educate them .. abit but they didnt know how to approach the topic.

This is the issue people are so afraid of confronting culture differences. That they dont discuss how to integrate immigrants. They just fly them in, or open the borders and hope for the best. Really silly...

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
reply to post by UmbraSumus

 

I do get the feeling that alot of people just want black people dead.
Ive heard a myrid of reasons, like low IQ, because they breed too much, because they lead lives that are poor.
This much is clear. And Bill Gates is behind the African culling of black people via eugenics ect.

edit on 28-1-2013 by FreedomEntered because: (no reason given)

Let me guess, you are Black? Most of us don't want Black people dead. This is a ridiculous statement. After all who else are the White boys gonna cheer for during Superbowl?

Ok all joking aside, While some White folks would be happy if all the Black folks were dead I would bet both my nuts that there are some Black folks that would be happier if all the White people were dead.

This argument is not about color. It is about stupid unemployable people breeding their way into becoming leaches on a countries social programs. I know a lot of White people that should not be allowed to breed. Has anyone besides me seen that God Awful reality show full of stupid fat white people called Honey Boo Boo?
There are a boatload of White people this White guy would love to force birth control on........

How can a species evolve and become stronger if they allow the Honey Boo Boo's of this world to breed?

reply to post by Mamatus


Okay. Again the same proposals Bill Gates and Price Charles are making. To have more contraceptives.

Im not argueing with that. Im just saying, that well yes, any racism from any group is just abhorrent.

reply to post by FreedomEntered

I despise racism at any level. However, one does not need to be a racist to clearly understand the impact of a group of people that have no education moving into your backyard will have. Just look at the lines at any of the emergency rooms in Southern California. 14 hour wait on average. And you will be waiting behind a group of people that don't for the most part, have an education and were not native of California. (after we stole it from Mexico that is).

Racism sucks, You know what sucks more? People thinking that Bill Gates wants to kill all Black people. Talk about biting the hand that is trying to help..... Half the problem with half of Africa is breeding with no plan. Honestly, a heck of a lot of interbreeding as well. This is a fact and one that is known to anyone that knows anything about Africa.

If Bill Gates wanted to kill all the Black people in Africa he could more than afford to do it, and do it quickly. One little top secret laboratory playing with Ebola would be much more effective than trying to talk people into birth control and immunizations.

Originally posted by Mamatus

How about another little known fact: The average IQ in most of the African tribes is somewhere around 60. Sadly they have interbred themselves to stupidity. While this may be a very unpopular statement it is a fact.

Actually that is a bit of a flawed statement isn't it? You cannot expect someone from a tribe to grasp many of the questions on an IQ test just like you wouldn't be able to survive in a desert.

reply to post by WaterBottle

And if anyone should dare raise a voice in protest about any of Israel's barbaric policies they are labelled as an anti semite!,much like the Sunday Times here in the UK for having the audacity to publish a Gerald Scarfe cartoon highlighting Israeli policies regarding the Palestinians.Why on earth do we allow the Israeli's to hide behind their past like this?Or more to the point,why do we let our governments support such a despotic nation?.