Israel admits Ethiopian women were given birth control shots

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Take the time to run through your posts with a spellchecker. I have to use mine frequently as I have found my spelling skills have been degraded since the computer does it for me.

I am far from a great speller any longer, but I learned a long time ago that if you want to be taken seriously you need to have some basic spelling, and if not at least know how to fake it. The computer will do it for you.
As you can't hear my tone I just wanted to say I am trying to help you out, not slight you.

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
reply to post by Mamatus

 

This isn't always the case. In the UK, you find alot of the immigrants tend to do jobs that the rest of the country doesn't want, rendering them far from a burden. And altogeather very valueable.

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Interesting that is the lie they have been spoon feeding Americans this years to shut their mouths about complaining against immigrants but statistics doesn't lie America plague of illegal immigration int has created from gangs and more drug cartels while importing nothing but poverty.

No everybody that comes across the border have a tag of "hard worker stamp on their foreheads".

Originally posted by Mamatus
reply to post by juleol

 

Umm, they were not forced, maybe you missed that post.. If being required to not breed is a prerequisite of living there, they have the option to not live there.

And what if they had no real choice?? Again I ask.. Do you think this reasoning would work if USA did the same with jewish immigrants?? This is just simple eugenics and racism based on colour of skin. And I say this as a white person.. If they dont want more people then they could just simply close their borders. What is wrong is "sterilizing" a group of people based on skin colour and social status.
This is something that has not been acceptable for decades in modern western society and yet it is now suddenly okay when Israel decides to do the same.

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Yes, I understand. I dont understand why people open their borders. I think that its only people in their community that can make them do anything. If a rabbi says have as many children as you like - they do so on this basis alone, if an imam says women stay at home and look after husband - they do. Really people forget that cultures have their own ways and these are very hard to change.

You really have to know who you are letting in. Their psychology and so on.

If their group " leaders" who ever they are told them to change their ways. They would. Their followers, sheep.

But countries welcome people in with no talk or understanding of the other peoples culture. They dont discuss what will happen when the population grows larger and they need to find them more jobs or control them better or may have to change their laws.

They invite them in and think later. But its in the name of multi culturalism which in some ways is a utopia. We have to get to grips with differences first and find out how these can be smoothed out. Before trying to pretend that we are getting on.

But on the issue of Israel, it was a violation of their rights. You cannot decide when someone else is ready to have a baby. In any case Ethiopians in Israel dont breed that much. I dont think it will the case that every couple has 4 children or more. I think they have had to integrate to an extent and they know the countries agenda. Which is to modernise them and keep numbers down. Especially after this depo shots lol...

By it's very nature some interpretation's of judaeism are xenophobic, though a christian I myself am of one eighth jewish/yiddish extraction in a direct maternal line and on my father's side one eight Maori in a none direct line though I am primarily a mix of english (the nation that invented the phrase a girl in every port), scotish, welsh and irish.

The idea that the Ethiopean ethnic group in Israel are being systematically chemicaly neutered amount's to a slow ethnic cleansing and considering the very strong Beni-Cohen gene in both the Ethiopena and Lemba jewish people's meaning they are MORE jewish than the mixed eurasian Jewish people it is utterly unacceptable, another fact that often get's missed is how the crisis with the palestinian's is actually related people's murdering one another as many palestinian's in spite of there current religeon's are of judaic descent.

The descendent's of the holocaust survivor's (and far more than six million people died in those camp's as the official figure's were revised down from the estimate of even the first commandant of auschwitze whome said 3 million had died there to 1.7 million for that camp alone) would never stand for this but the majority of people in israel are not descended from those few survivor's and mis-interpret the gift of yahwey to jacob as there's when he actually said I give this land upon which you now lie to you and your DESCENDANT's for all generation's, so what give's them prior claim over the other descendent's of Jacob I know that is a bit religeouse but it is accurate within the faith structure.

wherever religeouse extremeism clash or racism is enshrined there will alway's be innocent victim's but I am very sickened by such action, it remind's me of Dr coleman whom experiment on black american children regardless of wealth and poor white children with smallpox and sterilised them in the 1950's.

Were did the NAZI's go Hmm.

For the record, I have zero problem with the descendents of the 12 Tribes of Israel or Jews as a people or as individuals but have a serious problem with the Zionists and the State of Israel and even more specifically the so-called Khazarian Jews who are in fact NOT descendents of Twelve Tribes who were with Moses at Mount Sinai.

You can remain in ignorance or educate yourselves; the Web is full of information but here is a crash course:
Khazarian Empire

Ever wondered why some people claim to be Jews but have pasty white skin ?

Does this man look very Jewish?

Baron Jacob Rothschild
Then why does his family own 80% of the State of Israel?

How about this man?

Sheldon Adelson

How about this man?

Rupert Murdoch

They are descendants of Khazarians.

For your own sakes, educate yourselves but pardon me if I don't repeatedly attempt to refute ignorance here, I already take risks speaking up.

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He doesn't look like one of gods chosen people, thats for sure..

Originally posted by juleol
They are now doing the very same thing that was done to them by the nazis,

Not even close.

Israel, as a nation, has a right to demand that anyone entering it's country follow it's rules. No one is forcing people to immigrate to Israel. So no one is forcing anyone to take birth control shots. People are free to NOT IMMIGRATE. And therefore, this is nothing like the Nazis.

Israel doesn't want baggage. Yes .. baggage. That is what a bunch of uneducated poor people with a lot of hungry children are to a new country. It's just simple economics.

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They dont look white. Their large flattish noses. And thick lips. Isnt european. Really open your eyes?!

How strange that you think Jews look european. Each to their own. Because someone has light pigment, its the features you look at, at times . They are of specific origin. And it isnt the lily white type.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
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He doesn't look like one of gods chosen people, thats for sure..

If God man man in his own image he must be one ugly dude!

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
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Okay I watched a few minutes of the first one and it was from a christian perspective. So I switched off.

Ive been around Jews PLENTY and I can tell you for full fact that Jews can be not only the most well adjusted people Ive ever known, but I know for sure fact that they dont go around raping kids. Besides this its the case that many americans infact do. Non jewish ones I might add. So stop with your lying.


Just say why you feel that Zionism is responsible for all the worlds ills.

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Zionism is responsible for the ills in Israel. The whole notion that Israel must be a jewish state and must remain a jewish state makes sectaria strife and discrimination unavoidable. America should support israel the democratic LAICISTIC state, not the jewish state. The only reason we have so many christian countries is that everybody in the western hemisphere is christian, well everybody except for you.

I wathced Louis Theroux's episode on extreme Zionists last night, it struck me as ironic that the Israeli soldiers were constantly firing tear gas at Palestinian protestors. The often used the tear gas to disperese thePAlestinian mobs but one group fired them in to the crowd after they had decided to leave - as a parting gesture. Here we have a people gasing another people who are living behind a fence. I know it is not the same as the ovens of Auschwitz but....

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by juleol
They are now doing the very same thing that was done to them by the nazis,

Not even close.

Israel, as a nation, has a right to demand that anyone entering it's country follow it's rules. No one is forcing people to immigrate to Israel. So no one is forcing anyone to take birth control shots. People are free to NOT IMMIGRATE. And therefore, this is nothing like the Nazis.

Israel doesn't want baggage. Yes .. baggage. That is what a bunch of uneducated poor people with a lot of hungry children are to a new country. It's just simple economics.

if youll recall the nazi programs did not start with the intention of wiping out the jewish population did they?
things have a way of getting out of hand
if you cant see the parallels at this point youre not going to (but its more likely that you do and are trying to convince yourself more than anyone)

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Countries dont have the right to change peoples reproductive process without that persons permission first.

You are dreaming.

As they ( the ethiopians ) were invited they have the right to be treated as their fellow Israeli citizens.

Originally posted by sirhumperdink
if youll recall the nazi programs did not start with the intention of wiping out the jewish population did they?

You are making a HUGE JUMP. A country has a right to decide it's own immigration laws. Period. There is NOTHING Nazi about this. Not a damn thing.

(but its more likely that you do and are trying to convince yourself more than anyone)

Dead wrong. What is more likely ... that people who hate Israel are just itching to try to link it with the Nazis .... but that attempt fails on an epic level. These immigration laws and Nazi death camps .. not even close.

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
Countries dont have the right to change peoples reproductive process without that persons permission first.

When the person immigrates then they agree to the immigration laws ... and the laws include birth control shots. That person is indeed agreeing to having their reproductive process interrupted temporarily. NO ONE is forcing these people to immigrate to Israel. They do so voluntarily. Therefore, they are taking the birth control shots voluntarily.

You are dreaming.

You are obviously wrong on this issue.

You are dreaming because the Israeli govenment have now stopped this. And are making efforts to introduce varied contraceptive options to them. Because its a human right. You can say you agree with the violation of human rights. But otherwise you are just not getting the point.

The point is your body is your own. And when you chose to have children is up to you. Once people start getting involved in this process in a forced way then this is just wrong.

Besides this, the Ethiopians were not told before entering the country that their duty was to be infertile as they are a minority ethnically. They more than likely would not have moved had they known this. Because for many people its a natural desire to want children.

You cannot have different rules for people because of their skin color, do you not get this?

Hmm a bauer, sorry red shield erm I mean rothschild, don't they own the so called world bank in everything but name and have they not also baught 90 percent of the mineral right's of south america, I can't say they are all evil but there is a lot of blood on there hand's or at least there surrogate's hand's, I am shocked and did not know that about the Khazan empire but will look more into it as though I have heard of Khazan which is an islamic area i had never heard thios account, but from a religeouse perspective god said to Jacob I shall punish your children for they shall often be wayward and I shall scatter them in a great wind into the north, the south, the east and the west, like chaff upon the threshing floor (mount moriah) I shall scatter them into every nation and every family of man untill all the world are blessed by your seed and can you count the sand's of the earth upon which you now lie or the stars of heaven yet I alone who made them know there true number,.

He also said he would keep a remnant of jacob's seed true to his name and when he had fullfilled his promise unto jacob he would bring them back to this place (Bethel not Jerusalem).

As a christian I do believe I am also a descendent ot Jacob but who know's, still there is a lot of anti jewish literature on the net so is it accurate,.

I do know that the first christian Russian Tsar chose the greek orthodox when he found out if he chose islam alcohol would be banned and he said I don't mind only one wife so long as I can drink (I agree).

There are certain religeouse area's that are taboo even here but it has been necessary throughout human history to provide social cohesion.

As for your description of the jew's racial characteristic's please read the book of enoch that was recovered from the ethiopean orthodox church with reference to the description of noah and the old torah the greek septuagint the song of solomon, fair hair was by no mean's uncommon in the middle east as were light coloured eye's.

The Kurdish people are descended from the phillistine's and recessive gene's often make children blond at birth there eye's are often blue or hazel, the Hittite's who conquered with the first iron sword's were indo european and alien to the region as found by the eventual deciphering of there language which revealed a martial society that spoke a language related to german or english were as the hebrew and aramaic languages are related to gaelic. Shamrock is Shamrack in arabic.

There is no such thing as a superior race and weather proponent's of such nonsense are white, black, yellow or glowing purple with indigo stripe's if they are human then the genetic difference's are minute to the point of irrelevence (perhaps not the purple with glowing indigo stripe's).

Freedom entered I thoroughly agree with you.
There is one group trying to secure a small territory as opposed to a much larger group trying to take over the world, and I know which six year old child whom whent bald with trauma from the rape you allude to, I just wish the rest of these did and we were free to explain but that is then getting into pointing out fact's about someone according to there own religeouse text over a billion fanatical worshipers hold as sacrosanct.

As for Poor people being baggage, what nonsense, that is the typical language if a ill thinking self superior attitude, Pride come's before a fall and we all had poor ancestor's were they baggage eh,.

You edited your response and added this ...

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
As they ( the ethiopians ) were invited they have the right to be treated as their fellow Israeli citizens.

IF they were 'invited' (and you provided nothing showing that they were), that would change nothing. The immigration laws of the country still prevail. The invitation would have been made, with provisions. They would have been welcome to come but they would have to meet the requirements of the country they were moving into.

Statistics on Ethiopians living in Israel

55% have arrived since 1990.

55% are under the age of 18.

And 60% of the families have five children or more.

Only 28% of Ethiopian adults had any formal education in Ethiopia. 70% had never picked up a pencil.

45% of Ethiopian adults can't hold a conversation in Hebrew.

65% of Ethiopian families don't have a breadwinner; 27% of 24- to 44-year-old men are unemployed ... and 66% of 45- to 65-year-old men.

Only 50% of Ethiopian three-year-olds attend pre-school, compared to 95% of other Israelis.

It still does not give them a right to sterilize them. Read what I said, they were not told that to live in Israel you have to be sterilized because your ethiopian black.