UK.. We Messed Up Letting The Government Take Our Guns..

reply to post by rockoperawriter



Yes, you can....as long as you own a firearms license, which anyone can apply for.

Gaaah, the link to the Enfield search wont post due to the way it is laid out, just go here and search yourself, lol.

Originally posted by rockoperawriter
reply to post by Biigs

 

you should get an enfield, oh wait, you can't, bobbies cant even have them

edit on 15-1-2013 by rockoperawriter because: (no reason given)

are you referring to being unable to own a lee enfield rifle in the UK?

i will assume so, and on the basis of that, do some research before posting incorrect info, please.

it would take you all of a couple of mins to look it up and learn that you are wrong.

reply to post by queenofswords


it was never a right, the UK has owned weapons of all types as they were developed, we were a nation of violence for 1000 years, we were never given a right to own, only laws made to restrict and monitor certain weapons as years went by.

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

Not really. I'm saying that gun's aren't any use in changing political policies. Care to point out any times in history when they've successfully been used to improve the outcome of the political system ? I am of course talkng about civilians using firearms for change rather than popular political uprisings.

Here you go:

Battle of Athens (1946)

Polls for the county election opened August 1, 1946. About 200 armed deputies turned out to patrol the precincts—the normal complement of 15 deputies significantly augmented by reinforcements from other counties. A number of conflicts arose before the polls closed, the most serious of which was when deputy CM Wise shot and wounded a black man who was trying to vote.[3] As the polls closed, deputies seized ballot boxes and took them to the jail. Opposition veterans responded by arming themselves and marching there. Some of them had raided the National Guard Armory, obtaining arms and ammunition.[5] Estimates of the number of veterans besieging the jail vary from several hundred[5] to as high as 2,000.[3] When the men reached the jail, it was barricaded and manned by 55 deputies. The veterans demanded the ballot boxes but were refused. They then opened fire on the jail, initiating a battle that lasted several hours by some accounts,[3][5] considerably less by others.[6] In the end, the door of the jail was dynamited and breached. The barricaded deputies—some with injuries—surrendered, and the ballot boxes were recovered. During the fight at the jail, rioting had broken out in Athens, mainly targeting police cars.[3][5] This continued even after the ballot boxes were recovered, but subsided by morning.
The recovered ballots certified the election of the five GI Non-Partisan League candidates.[6] Among the reforms instituted was a change in the method of payment and a $5,000 salary cap for officials. In the initial momentum of victory, gambling houses in collusion with the Cantrell regime were raided and their operations demolished. Deputies of the prior administration resigned and were replaced.

There is even a thread here on ATS about this event that happened here in the US back in 1946:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So yes, there is an example (in US history at least) where armed civilians were able to take care of a corrupt government that was being ignored even after peaceful and official means failed, and it was not that long ago, here in modern times.

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
The real thing governments fear is organised groups of people with popular support from the majority rather than small groups of people with a few handguns. If a group decided to make a stand against a government they'd be declared terrorists and end up either dead or in prison. Besides the governments have all the really deadly weapons like helicopter gunships, fighter planes, bombers, intelligence services etc etc.

edit on 15-1-2013 by Hopeforeveryone because: (no reason given)

Quoted for truth!!

You forgot to add one, child porn. You are openly vocal of the gov't, next thing you know you're possessing child porn. Character assassination 101.

Derek

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by EvanB

 

Oh I know it is ridiculous, I've been arrested for self defense before, fortunately I got released with a caution. The police officers accepted it was self defense, even said they would have done the same thing in my place, but they were bound by law.

This bit is slightly worrying. If you accepted a police caution then you have plead guilty to committing a crime. You now have a criminal record. If the police accepted that it was self defence then why on earth did you think that a court would decide otherwise? The charging decision would be down to the CPS and if it was clearly self defence then CPS are not "bound by law" to prosecute. In fact, the CPS guidelines require prosecutions to have a reasonable chance of conviction and to be in the public interest - neither of which would appear to be the case here. The same "reasonable chance" requirement also applies to cautions so it should not have been offered based on your statements.

You were misled and clearly received very very bad legal advice which has now left you with a criminal record that you will have to explain away, may affect you getting some jobs and may prevent you from entering some countries.

The police will offer you a caution when they know they do not have the evidence for a conviction but want to blag you into an admission. NEVER ACCEPT A POLICE CAUTION WITHOUT DISCUSSING IT WITH YOUR SOLICITOR! Even then, think twice.

Originally posted by skalla

Originally posted by rockoperawriter
reply to post by Biigs

 

you should get an enfield, oh wait, you can't, bobbies cant even have them

edit on 15-1-2013 by rockoperawriter because: (no reason given)

are you referring to being unable to own a lee enfield rifle in the UK?

i will assume so, and on the basis of that, do some research before posting incorrect info, please.

it would take you all of a couple of mins to look it up and learn that you are wrong.

I shall make it easier for him - I bought a LE No 4 Mk I recently for just over £300. Lovely rifle, one of my favourites.

reply to post by woogleuk


compared to gunbroker.com the uk cannot own real rifles, pistols by comparison. i have found a 50 cal barrett bmg. i have not found any milsurp rifles or pistols. keep all your paperwork, high prices etc.

Originally posted by Biigs
reply to post by EvillerBob

 

most of those 4 million guns are stored at gun clubs, not in the home.

The ones that are, are mostly double barrel single shot, shot guns for pest control or target/clay shooting.

No they aren't. Firearms and ammunition are in the vast majority of cases stored at home. The only firearms required to be stored at a club are certain firearms held on s7.3 licences (ie civilian owned handguns).

Some clubs have secure storage available - I use it when I go on holiday, for example - but I cannot imagine many or any clubs willing to take on the risk of storing all of the members' firearms in one single, remote location. Even the police don't think it's a good idea!

Originally posted by GrandStrategy


This thread is nothing but an uninspiring, and rather predictable, example of a right-wing Briton envying Americas right-wing society. Nothing new, nothing interesting, nothing true.

Indeed, don't forget ass kissing and flag whoring!!

Just a truly ridiculous thread and this view point is soooo in the minority, that it's just insane to even be making a thread about it.

:shk: :shk:

reply to post by EvillerBob


Solicitor was present (funnily enough, it was Kevin Commons who was shot dead in the Cumbria shootings).

He accepted the caution, this was in 1997, I was 17.

I have since worked on the Sellafield site, if anywhere was going to reject me because of it, they would have.

Originally posted by Biigs
reply to post by queenofswords

 

it was never a right, the UK has owned weapons of all types as they were developed, we were a nation of violence for 1000 years, we were never given a right to own, only laws made to restrict and monitor certain weapons as years went by.

Well, Americans do have the RIGHT.....period.

Now, we DO need to address issues of mentally deranged psychopaths going off the rails on a crazy train.
The first place I would look at is pharmaceuticals, not only those currently on the market, but those being used on volunteers in clinical trials by our very own NIH through NCATS and the ResearchMatch program.

Just about every high-profile suicide, mass homicide, and military suicide is connected with some kind of treatment for depressive and other psychological disorders. We are looking at the depression and/or psychiatric disorder as the cause, when perhaps it is the type of pharmaceuticals being used.....Most of them have side effects of 'suicidal tendencies' and 'homicidal thoughts'. WHAT!!!!!!????? Why aren't we addressing THIS? 75,000,0000 people with firearms NEVER EVER think about suicide or homicide.

What harm is there in just looking at one segment (Behavioral and Social Sciences) and asking what antidepressants and other drugs are they experimenting with on young people with ADHD, depression, anxiety, or other mental or behavioral "issues".

Simply ask: WHO are the researchers, WHO are the volunteers, and WHAT experimental drugs are being tested?

reply to post by queenofswords


correction human beings have the god(s) given right

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by EvillerBob

 

Solicitor was present (funnily enough, it was Kevin Commons who was shot dead in the Cumbria shootings).

He accepted the caution, this was in 1997, I was 17.

I have since worked on the Sellafield site, if anywhere was going to reject me because of it, they would have.

Ah, the old school minors' caution. Basically a slap on the wrist and sent on your way. My apologies, though my post would be accurate if you are willing to pretend it happened last year when you were 33

reply to post by misscurious


Say those words when you're under attack and all you get is probably a knife which is nothing against a ranged weapon, I personally don't even carry one but knowing Incase a mass issue arises I can find a good weapon so no one has the upper hand , I don't mean to sound like I want to hurt anyone or have a gun for fun , its not its serious and we only want to know we can't be forced by FORCE . Like a post I read, the government has its own armory and its only safe, if I may say, to have our armory Incase they feel power crazed .

reply to post by EvillerBob


oi, watch it, I'm not 33 until the 12th of next month, cheeky sod

Thing is though, had it happened last year, the self defence argument would have worked.

As much as I hate the Tories, they did make sure our right to self defence came to be.

why do you want a gun, gun crime is low and idiots are up. that being said i beleive less guns is a good thing

reply to post by rockoperawriter


obviously on the point you were "lol-ing" about, you were proved wrong. feel free to move your approach now. oh, you already did.

another thing to bear in mind is that for most brits this is a total non-issue, i really CBA discussing the reasons for our difference in attitude, plenty other folks have covered it, it aint overly relevant and different strokes and all that. Enjoy your guns, enjoy the differences between our countries too, we dont all have to conform and be the same after all

anyway, my bed has been calling for some considerable time but this thread has been too entertaining.. sadly i have work tomorrow morning and must away, toodle pip, old bean

Originally posted by skalla

another thing to bear in mind is that for most brits this is a total non-issue,

Exactly... NOBODY ever discusses guns and people owning guns in the UK.
Just isn't something people concern themselves with at all.


I just don't think non UK people understand this.

reply to post by skalla


poor and perfect for me. never cared for minimalism when it comes to gun ownership. keep your eyes on the target and the powder dry