I got punched in the face for asking for my receipt; literally.

reply to post by bknapple32


Well there is, but there's also something called point of sale and point of purchase laws too. As well
as evidence laws that empower your case(s) in court defense.

Originally posted by Advantage

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Advantage
Perhaps a " Sir, may I have a receipt?" would have worked out for you better rather than the diatribe about legality and etc.

Perhaps, but there is no valid reason for anyone to start punching someone else without provocation. Being a dick is not provocation enough for that kind of response.

Nope.. no valid reason whatsoever.. BUT.. he could prevent being punched and kicked out of businesses. His behavior was wrong. If he wants to prevent it in the future, he will recognize it now. My oldest is an aspie.. id say the same to her. They may not understand social situations, but they can recognize social interaction protocols and prevent being smacked by the less civilized. The world is not a fluffy pillow... the sooner he learns that, the less drama he will have. The other persons outrageous behavior is not my concern. Preventing the OP from having his head removed from his shoulders in the future is.

It's fine that you are a passive, non-confrontational person, a follower, even. Not everyone is like that. You are suggesting that the OP is somehow to blame for the actions of the store employee, and that is not right. Short of some kind of aggressive physical contact, the employee had no right whatsoever to act like he did.

I'll tell you a little story - a true story - that happened to me last week:

I was going up one of the main 4-lane streets near my house, I was in the left lane. Some guy pulled out from a parking lot to the right and I assumed he was going to stay in the right lane, but I was wrong. He cut across both lanes and damn near hit me. I had to brake hard to prevent him from hitting me. He continued over into a left-turn lane at the light ahead of us. As I was passing him, I looked over, threw my hands in the air (no finger) and gave him a "WTF" look and kept going. He pulled back into the straight lane and started to follow me. Well, there is no way I was going to let him follow me back to my house where my kids are, so I pulled off into a side street. I made the mistake of stopping because I realized that I was unsure where that street went. By the time I decided to keep going, the guy was next to me, out of his car, and banging on my window with a set of brass knuckles (illegal). Punk ass gangbanger with brass knuckles on the other side of my window yelling at me that he was going to F me up. What he did not know is that I had my hand on my .45 (legal). I admit that I froze for a few seconds, not sure what to do. I assessed the situation and decided to take off. However, had this guy broken my window, he would have taken a .45 slug to the face, without a doubt. I called the police and made a report.

So you going to tell me what I SHOULD have done? Maybe I shouldn't have given him a look? Maybe, but not everyone is a meek little sheep. Some of us have to say something. Sometimes things play out how they play out and you don't have total control over it. I'll tell you this much, I showed a lot of restraint with that dickhead. I think someone else might not have.

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by Manhater

 

Well one week the pizza pops were 2.00

the next week they were 2.50

I challenged them and said "These pizza pops were 2.00 last week."

Their response: "No they weren't."

Fantastic! So what does it have to do with anything? Perhaps you were mistaken? Perhaps you weren't. Either way....all you had to do was ask for the receipt. You knew that. And now we are hearing about your distaste with the $.50 increase in the price of pizza pops?

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by Advantage

 

Well they should because it's apart of the Mental Health Act. So you should care. Sorry, you don't have it. But it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be an important issue.

Not only that, but I refused to leave. Because I have the right to buy this product. I know the mother, and the father, all I am doing is making a statement and I am not using any brutal force.

This is basic physics guys.

"Yeah I want these in the future"
"Ok." not "F you."

edit on 14-1-2013 by streetfightingman because: (no reason given)

The problem is you didn't say" Yeah I want these in the future."

You said "You know what, every time I come in here, and it's not just here; other places too, but I never
get my receipt. And this is an issue and a legal "thing.", and as a customer I feel that
I am entitled to my hard-copy receipt at my point of transaction. And each time I come in here
from now on I'm going to start asking for it."

A normal person says..hey...can I have a receipt? Or they just plain forget it.

An unusual statement will get you an unusual response.

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by Manhater

 

Well one week the pizza pops were 2.00

the next week they were 2.50

I challenged them and said "These pizza pops were 2.00 last week."

Their response: "No they weren't."

This is why prices go up.

It it possible that they have been getting hit with shoplifters. And the prices go up slowly (in an unnoticeable amount) to cover the prices of the lost items. And if it is his store, then he has every right to raise the price amounts to cover his losses. Go beat up the shoplifters. It's their fault. Next time, also don't be so historical and demanding and maybe he'll be nicer to you. It's only food, and the receipt will most likely go in the garbage anyway. Or, go to another store to shop. Problem solved.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Advantage

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Advantage
Perhaps a " Sir, may I have a receipt?" would have worked out for you better rather than the diatribe about legality and etc.

Perhaps, but there is no valid reason for anyone to start punching someone else without provocation. Being a dick is not provocation enough for that kind of response.

Nope.. no valid reason whatsoever.. BUT.. he could prevent being punched and kicked out of businesses. His behavior was wrong. If he wants to prevent it in the future, he will recognize it now. My oldest is an aspie.. id say the same to her. They may not understand social situations, but they can recognize social interaction protocols and prevent being smacked by the less civilized. The world is not a fluffy pillow... the sooner he learns that, the less drama he will have. The other persons outrageous behavior is not my concern. Preventing the OP from having his head removed from his shoulders in the future is.

It's fine that you are a passive, non-confrontational person, a follower, even. Not everyone is like that. You are suggesting that the OP is somehow to blame for the actions of the store employee, and that is not right. Short of some kind of aggressive physical contact, the employee had no right whatsoever to act like he did.

I'll tell you a little story - a true story - that happened to me last week:

I was going up one of the main 4-lane streets near my house, I was in the left lane. Some guy pulled out from a parking lot to the right and I assumed he was going to stay in the right lane, but I was wrong. He cut across both lanes and damn near hit me. I had to brake hard to prevent him from hitting me. He continued over into a left-turn lane at the light ahead of us. As I was passing him, I looked over, threw my hands in the air (no finger) and gave him a "WTF" look and kept going. He pulled back into the straight lane and started to follow me. Well, there is no way I was going to let him follow me back to my house where my kids are, so I pulled off into a side street. I made the mistake of stopping because I realized that I was unsure where that street went. By the time I decided to keep going, the guy was next to me, out of his car, and banging on my window with a set of brass knuckles. Punk ass gangbanger with brass knuckles on the other side of my window yelling at me that he was going to F me up. What he did not know is that I had my hand on my .45. I admit that I froze for a few seconds, not sure what to do. I assessed the situation and decided to take off. However, had this guy broken my window, he would have taken a .45 slug to the face, without a doubt. I called the police and made a report.

So you going to tell me what I SHOULD have done? Sometimes things play out how they play out and you don't have total control over it. I'll tell you this much, I showed a lot of restraint with that dickhead. I think someone else might not have.

I don't think anyone is advocating for the employee acting the way he did. Certainly the employee had no right to treat the customer that way. That being said, prior to treating the customer like crap, the customer brought it upon himself by treating the employee poorly. All things considered, neither of them have the right to talk to/treat anyone they way they did....the customer acted first. Customer's fault.

reply to post by streetfightingman


Getting kicked out of a store for being rude is nothing like Hitler killing the Jews.

Shame on you for even trying to compare your trivial experience at the convenience store with the Holocaust.

I think you probably deserved to get kicked out of the store.

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by bknapple32

 

Well there is, but there's also something called point of sale and point of purchase laws too. As well
as evidence laws that empower your case(s) in court defense.

edit on 14-1-2013 by streetfightingman because: (no reason given)

Counter intuitive. .. If a customer is causing a problem in the eyes of the owner or employee of a private property, then said customer can be kicked out of that private property. End of story

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by Advantage

 

Well they should because it's apart of the Mental Health Act. So you should care. Sorry, you don't have it. But it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be an important issue.

Not only that, but I refused to leave. Because I have the right to buy this product. I know the mother, and the father, all I am doing is making a statement and I am not using any brutal force.

This is basic physics guys.

"Yeah I want these in the future"
"Ok." not "F you."

edit on 14-1-2013 by streetfightingman because: (no reason given)

The mental health act does not give you the right or a pass on verbally abusing people and behaving the way you did. If you wish to use this as an example for your life.. you will likely be punched many more times and kicked out of places that dont have any legal obligation to coddle you.
I tried.
Carry on...

Originally posted by tport17

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by Advantage

 

Well they should because it's apart of the Mental Health Act. So you should care. Sorry, you don't have it. But it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be an important issue.

Not only that, but I refused to leave. Because I have the right to buy this product. I know the mother, and the father, all I am doing is making a statement and I am not using any brutal force.

This is basic physics guys.

"Yeah I want these in the future"
"Ok." not "F you."

edit on 14-1-2013 by streetfightingman because: (no reason given)

The problem is you didn't say" Yeah I want these in the future."

You said "You know what, every time I come in here, and it's not just here; other places too, but I never
get my receipt. And this is an issue and a legal "thing.", and as a customer I feel that
I am entitled to my hard-copy receipt at my point of transaction. And each time I come in here
from now on I'm going to start asking for it."

A normal person says..hey...can I have a receipt? Or they just plain forget it.

An unusual statement will get you an unusual response.

Which is why I think it makes it look like the op was looking to agitate and stir something up. Anytime who feels like going about their day, just moves on or asks for one without a condescending lecture

Soooooo. OP, what have we learned from this experience? How will you grow from it? Hmm

Originally posted by mademyself1984
I don't think anyone is advocating for the employee acting the way he did. Certainly the employee had no right to treat the customer that way. That being said, prior to treating the customer like crap, the customer brought it upon himself by treating the employee poorly. All things considered, neither of them have the right to talk to/treat anyone they way they did....the customer acted first. Customer's fault.

Absolutely not. Rudeness is not illegal. It is unpleasant and no one likes rude people, but it's not illegal and it does not warrant an aggressive physical response. If the police got involved, they'd tell him the same thing you did, but they would not FAULT him for it because he's not breaking the law - the employee is.

reply to post by Manhater


Yes he does. But at the same time, I would like to know why. Is it inflation? Or was it a personal choice?

I want to be informed on economic issues. Is this wrong?

reply to post by AwakeinNM


Awake., you're gonna give some folks a chuckle on here who DO know me... but you know me sooo well.

God, the hubris out of some on here.

reply to post by bknapple32


Well I'll walk away. But at the same time, I sometimes can't control my anger. But I can control
my cognitive functions; which I did. And he didn't.

And that I should carry a copy of all business laws with me as well as a copy of the criminal code

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
reply to post by streetfightingman

 

Explanation: What Advantage said ok!

Personal Disclosure: If your require petty revenge that does nobody any good ... join the local council and vote for commercial realestate annual LAND TAXES to be raised through the roof ok! :shk:

Put the pressure on where it hurts the most ... the hip pocket wallet.

Pride!! ... It comes before the fall ok!

... or vote for China.

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by bknapple32

 

Well there is, but there's also something called point of sale and point of purchase laws too. As well
as evidence laws that empower your case(s) in court defense.

edit on 14-1-2013 by streetfightingman because: (no reason given)

Counter intuitive. .. If a customer is causing a problem in the eyes of the owner or employee of a private property, then said customer can be kicked out of that private property. End of story

There's also a difference between "kicked out" and "assaulted".

Believe me, I don't think the OP handled himself in the most ideal way, but there is no debate here. No one "deserves" to get assaulted because of their behavior, however rude.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by mademyself1984
I don't think anyone is advocating for the employee acting the way he did. Certainly the employee had no right to treat the customer that way. That being said, prior to treating the customer like crap, the customer brought it upon himself by treating the employee poorly. All things considered, neither of them have the right to talk to/treat anyone they way they did....the customer acted first. Customer's fault.

Absolutely not. Rudeness is not illegal. It is unpleasant and no one likes rude people, but it's not illegal and it does not warrant an aggressive physical response. If the police got involved, they'd tell him the same thing you did, but they would not FAULT him for it because he's not breaking the law - the employee is.

By refusing to leave private property, the employee absolutely had the right to remove him himself. If you don't believe that go stir # up in a club somewhere, or try to snap some pictures in a gentleman's club and see how many options you get for a hasty exit of the premises...It absolutely was not illegal to kick him out. If you stepped foot in my home right now, and I wanted you out, and you refused to leave....bet your ass I'd swear at you. And you'd probably get hit. And guess what...I've broken no laws. You did though...

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by bknapple32

 

Well I'll walk away. But at the same time, I sometimes can't control my anger. But I can control
my cognitive functions; which I did. And he didn't.

And that I should carry a copy of all business laws with me as well as a copy of the criminal code

edit on 14-1-2013 by streetfightingman because: (no reason given)

You are the creator of your own circumstances. No one else. It's not his fault you got hit. You created and escalated the situation with multiple opportunities to drop it and leave. Stop blaming others and having a victim mentality. When you drop that, you'll see a whole new perspective on life

I was asked to leave, that is the problem that is afflicting me.

So should I have left? How can he justify this? What would
have been his reason? If it is a personal reason, then
I can see, but I don't associate with him personally.

I associated with him personally a few points throughout my history
of shopping there, however he's stated that he doesn't enjoy
talking to me so I've stopped talking to him.