Obama: Some Gun Control Measures 'I Can Accomplish Through Executive Action'

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by macman
The Constitution was written and created so anyone.........let me repeat "ANYONE" can read it and understand what is the law.

Apparently not.

Others can.
Why can't you.

Maybe the Progressive glasses are clouding your sight?

Originally posted by macman

And as for dishonest, how so?
Because I just don't fall in line with people that you put up as conservatives???

Effen Scalia? A progressive to you? Not sure where to take the argument from there.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by macman
The Constitution was written and created so anyone.........let me repeat "ANYONE" can read it and understand what is the law.

Apparently not.

Others can.
Why can't you.

Maybe the Progressive glasses are clouding your sight?

Oh...I wasn't referring to myself...the language in the constitution is as plain as day to me..."well regulated"..

I was referring to your gymnastics with symantics to fit your idealogy.

See how that works?

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by macman

And as for dishonest, how so?
Because I just don't fall in line with people that you put up as conservatives???

Effen Scalia? A progressive to you? Not sure where to take the argument from there.

My suggestion.....

Go and read the 2nd Amendment and let me know what it means to you.

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No flips are tumbles here.

2+2=4
Shall not be infringed
Right to bear arms


All very simple, concrete and understandable.

reply to post by Indigo5


You have yet to address as to what each of those statements means then.

Shall I wait, or just move on as you ignore that.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Indigo5

 

You have yet to address as to what each of those statements means then.

Shall I wait, or just move on as you ignore that.

Exhaustively...I defined well regulated exhaustively...including a link to the entire historical pedigree of that phrase in the 2nd Amendment. You are not reading or being dishonest.

reply to post by Indigo5

No, you offered up others.

Here, let me help you.

What does
A well regulated militia. Mean to YOU, Indigo5.


What does
being necessary to the security of a free state Mean to YOU, Indigo5.


What does
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Mean to YOU, Indigo5.


What does
the right of the people to keep and bear arms Mean to YOU, Indigo5.

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That is precisely what you do...your posts are vitriolic bumper stickers.

Must have mistaken me for Obama after all lest we forget simple slogans for simpletons:

Change we can believe in
Forward
Hope and change.
GunZ R evil

Yawn.

Perfect example...antigun crowd??? I own guns. I believe in the 2nd Amendment AND I think we need to regulate what "arms" are available to people who are not fit to possess them.

Meaning you want government to play god since GOD is where all our rights come from.

I also believe uncompromising folks who employ dishonesty as a debate tool do nothing but damage the national discourse and democracy at large.

There is no comprise when it comes to the second Amendment yep the are those who employ dishonesty simple fact there is no discussion to be had.

People have the rights to bear arms the END it is not up to the government or my neighbor or some poster on ATS to tell me what rights I have.

As long as we are attaching false and innaccurate and outright BS monikers like "antigun" to folks who simply want a discussion on regulation...I declare that those that want guns regulated are "Prolife"...and you folks who refuse to discuss any restrictions on guns are endorsing the murder of children.

So much for an "honest debate what a hypocrite.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Indigo5

 

No, you offered up others.

What does
A well regulated militia. Mean to YOU, Indigo5.

It is not an ink-blot test...where it means whatever anyone wants it to mean.

Therefore I find the best way to discern the meaning by examing the founders intent at the time of writing.

Thus I provided an accounting of the evolution of the 2nd Amendment complete with every version as it evolved.

"Well Regulated"...meant just that... an organized, disciplined and REGULATED MILITIA ...Not a right for mentally ill individuals bent on murdering children.

Originally posted by neo96

As long as we are attaching false and innaccurate and outright BS monikers like "antigun" to folks who simply want a discussion on regulation...I declare that those that want guns regulated are "Prolife"...and you folks who refuse to discuss any restrictions on guns are endorsing the murder of children.

So much for an "honest debate what a hypocrite.

edit on 16-1-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

You forgot the last sentence of that post?...

Originally posted by Indigo5
As long as we are attaching false and innaccurate and outright BS monikers like "antigun" to folks who simply want a discussion on regulation...I declare that those that want guns regulated are "Prolife"...and you folks who refuse to discuss any restrictions on guns are endorsing the murder of children.

See how that works? Lets play by your rules and start the discussion there and see how far we get.

Yah...so much for honesty from you.

Originally posted by Indigo5


It is not an ink-blot test...where it means whatever anyone wants it to mean.

Then it IS an Ink-blot test.
The ink-blot test is a way to gauge someones interpretation of the PICTURE in relation to possible mood or thinking process.

You are right. It is not an ink-blot test. It is a simple question, yet you refuse to answer.
Is it because by answering my direct questions, you will have to backtrack on what you have stated the meanings are?

Originally posted by Indigo5
Therefore I find the best way to discern the meaning by examing the founders intent at the time of writing.

Is there a reading comprehension issue with you?
I asked YOU what they meant.

Originally posted by Indigo5
Thus I provided an accounting of the evolution of the 2nd Amendment complete with every version as it evolved.

Ah, the "evolution" argument. And I guess that the Constitution is a living breathing document that changes with the society norms of the time?
So much more is being revealed.

Originally posted by Indigo5
"Well Regulated"...meant just that... an organized, disciplined and REGULATED MILITIA ...Not a right for mentally ill individuals bent on murdering children.

I do love the side swipe. That is cute.
Oh, but didn't you get the memo....The mentally ill kid involved with Sandy Hook used 4 handguns and not an AR15.
I suppose that all like minded people of your persuasion will now drop the "assult weapons ban" and push forth with a "handgun ban". You know, because you are high and mighty, and will ALWAYS chose the punishment....er I mean restriction to suit the crime.

Thanks for the definition. Now, how about the rest??
Or is that not convenient for your ideology?

The "evolution" of the constitution "argument" simply put is:

The government gets to stay in the 21st century while the little people are forced like slaves to stay in the 18th century.

The party of slavery strikes yet again those slave owners did not allow their slaves guns either, the American government did not allow the Indians to have guns either.

We all know what happened gun owners are being rounded up and put on the government reservation once again and dictated to.

Originally posted by macman

Oh, but didn't you get the memo....The mentally ill kid involved with Sandy Hook used 4 handguns and not an AR15.

Link???

As for the rest of your post...it didn't make sense and I once again answered your question in spades and you refused to acknowledge it.

So provide a link showing that Adam Lanza used 4 handguns? No AR-15 ...Bushmaster XM-15??

Is this where you link to infowars??

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by neo96
Yeah that "well regulation of militia/firearms" sure has worked hasn't it ?

The military and the police and the criminals are all better armed than the average john and jane doe gun owner.

Seems that has been an epic fail. a well "regulated" people would be on an equal footing with the government but they are not.

Hear comes the strawmans.

edit on 15-1-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Not sure what you are saying...but interesting note here...

Gun buyback program in Los Angles takes 2,000 weapons off the streets - including two rocket propelled grenade launchers

www.nydailynews.com...

By the way...I am throwing you guys a bone here...this is where you make a case that if RPGs can be obtained illegally then the average Joe should be able to obtain equally deadly "arms" to defend themselves?

Anyone want to bite on that.....

Let me ask you this....does a Nuclear Iran make the world a safer or more dangerous place? Iran would claim safer...cuz to them the world is out to get them and everyone has Nukes.

Did the "Arms race" with the soviet union make the world safer or more dangerous? A lot riding on the ever teetering premise of "Mutual Anihilation" deterent.

Getting into the subject of people lying to further an agenda, you guys realize that those two "rocket propelled greande launchers" (whatever that is--a grenade launcher and a rocket launcher are two radically different things) that the LAPD keep showing pictures of are two inert and previously fired training items and about as dangerous as PVC pipe, right? You can get them online or in a flea market or in the dumpster near any base.

Originally posted by Indigo5


Link???

As for the rest of your post...it didn't make sense and I once again answered your question in spades and you refused to acknowledge it.

So provide a link showing that Adam Lanza used 4 handguns? No AR-15 ...Bushmaster XM-15??

Is this where you link to infowars??

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Are you going to answer the questions?? With YOUR definition of? Or just dismiss it.

And since the link and article has been provide, will you back track or is it full steam ahead.

Originally posted by macman

Is there a reading comprehension issue with you?
I asked YOU what they meant.

Reading comprehension???? WTF is wrong with you?

regulated

past participle, past tense of reg·u·late (Verb)

Verb

Control or supervise by means of rules and regulations.

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Another Response with nothing.

Last time.

What is YOUR definition of these items below

What does
A well regulated militia. Mean to YOU, Indigo5.


What does
being necessary to the security of a free state Mean to YOU, Indigo5.


What does
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Mean to YOU, Indigo5.


What does
the right of the people to keep and bear arms Mean to YOU, Indigo5.

This is a small win for the children of America - Still more is needed.

They can now feel a little more secure in their schools.

Gun Owners - Get over it - It's for the best

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Indigo5


Link???

As for the rest of your post...it didn't make sense and I once again answered your question in spades and you refused to acknowledge it.

So provide a link showing that Adam Lanza used 4 handguns? No AR-15 ...Bushmaster XM-15??

Is this where you link to infowars??

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Are you going to answer the questions?? With YOUR definition of? Or just dismiss it.

And since the link and article has been provide, will you back track or is it full steam ahead.

WOW ...The today show...on Dec. 15th!!...says on air that they heard that 4 handguns were used...But every other outlet and police report that the AR-15 was used...and you sieze on that blerb.

Cuz...THAT blerb...was telling the truth? Despite the same news outlet correcting themselves in other broadcasts??? And the thousands of other reports including law enforcement were lieing??

WOW...Just wow..Not going to discuss any further with wacked out dishonest folks.