Obama: Some Gun Control Measures 'I Can Accomplish Through Executive Action'

Originally posted by beezzer
It comes down to this.

Do you want to be responsible for your own safety or do you want to cede your freedoms and have government responsible for your own safety.

If you trust government to take better care of you, your family, your property, than you yourself can, then ban guns.

If you think you can do a better job of protecting yourself, your family, your property than the government then keep your guns.

It really is that simple, folks.

False dichotomy...The choice is not NO GUNS vs. NO RESTRICTIONS.

And the choice is not between DEFENDING YOURSELF vs. GOVERNMENT DEFENDING YOU

Hey...your house gets broken into in the middle of the night, it would be both good to have a gun AND call the Cops.

Or how about you defend your family while at the same time expect the Gov. to defend the COUNTRY.

YOU don't need access to an M4/M16 to fend off a burgler...nor do you need an RPG...nor do we want our cops or military to carry .22 pistols.

IT is not GOV vs. US...it is NOT Ban all guns vs.No Regulation or Hitler will reign!!!

Enough with the BS.

Yeah that "well regulation of militia/firearms" sure has worked hasn't it ?

The military and the police and the criminals are all better armed than the average john and jane doe gun owner.

Seems that has been an epic fail. a well "regulated" people would be on an equal footing with the government but they are not.

Which was the intention of the second amendment the people and government are equal and yet those who side with the current fascist ideology agree with the dictator in chief and saying no the government has more rights than we do.

Hear comes the strawmans. now who again was the party that claim they are for "equal rights" ?

Originally posted by neo96
Yeah that "well regulation of militia/firearms" sure has worked hasn't it ?

The military and the police and the criminals are all better armed than the average john and jane doe gun owner.

Seems that has been an epic fail. a well "regulated" people would be on an equal footing with the government but they are not.

Hear comes the strawmans.

edit on 15-1-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Not sure what you are saying...but interesting note here...

Gun buyback program in Los Angles takes 2,000 weapons off the streets - including two rocket propelled grenade launchers

www.nydailynews.com...

By the way...I am throwing you guys a bone here...this is where you make a case that if RPGs can be obtained illegally then the average Joe should be able to obtain equally deadly "arms" to defend themselves?

Anyone want to bite on that.....

Let me ask you this....does a Nuclear Iran make the world a safer or more dangerous place? Iran would claim safer...cuz to them the world is out to get them and everyone has Nukes.

Did the "Arms race" with the soviet union make the world safer or more dangerous? A lot riding on the ever teetering premise of "Mutual Anihilation" deterent.

reply to post by Indigo5

Not sure what you are saying.

Obviously not like all anti gun pundits/ Obama defenders have no clue ever of what the hell they are talking about.

Gun buyback program in Los Angles takes 2,000 weapons off the streets - including two rocket propelled grenade launchers

So what?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh grenade launchers!!!!

Their evil and yet there is no "grenades" available to the public as per all that regulation where the BATFE classifies smoke grenades" as "explosvies".

Besides the fact there is that Federal license called the curio and relic which allows people to buy those.

Thrown nothing but strawmans because that is how desperate the left is they bring "grenade" launchers to a gun fight, and government fascism.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by neo96
Yeah that "well regulation of militia/firearms" sure has worked hasn't it ?

The military and the police and the criminals are all better armed than the average john and jane doe gun owner.

Seems that has been an epic fail. a well "regulated" people would be on an equal footing with the government but they are not.

Hear comes the strawmans.

edit on 15-1-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Not sure what you are saying...but interesting note here...

Gun buyback program in Los Angles takes 2,000 weapons off the streets - including two rocket propelled grenade launchers

www.nydailynews.com...

By the way...I am throwing you guys a bone here...this is where you make a case that if RPGs can be obtained illegally then the average Joe should be able to obtain equally deadly "arms" to defend themselves?

Anyone want to bite on that.....

Let me ask you this....does a Nuclear Iran make the world a safer or more dangerous place? Iran would claim safer...cuz to them the world is out to get them and everyone has Nukes.

Did the "Arms race" with the soviet union make the world safer or more dangerous? A lot riding on the ever teetering premise of "Mutual Anihilation" deterent.

You sure like to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks don't you. Pure scattershot.

I suppose I could do the same thing and point out how easy it was for the minority in power to oppress the native populations in colonial Asia, Orient, Africa, South Pacific, etc through their superior firepower.

But I won't.. I won't..

Originally posted by Kali74

By the letter of the 2nd amendment, no, they don't... "well regulated militia". Somewhere along the the lines SCOTUS defined the 2nd to apply to all Americans whether they were militia or not. Since you're firmly against any and all restrictions, should a 6 year old be allowed to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a rifle? A convicted felon?

Yes, as the 2nd Amendment states shall not be infringed upon.

Originally posted by Kali74

Yes, I'm sure... are you going to continue claiming to know me better than I know myself? And again, I don't support a ban or punishing law abiding citizens.

Are you for restrictions and/or bans.

Originally posted by Kali74

I was talking about the process of changing the Constitution.

Ok then.

Originally posted by Kali74
Clearly... as you show here:

Go ahead. Let's hear it.

Originally posted by Kali74

I agree what Cuomo is trying to pass is infringement, but I think people need to hear why it is. Not necessarily here on ATS per se but in the national debate.

I do agree.

Originally posted by Kali74

Yeah, just watch where you're swinging.

I only concentrate on the target.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Not sure what you are saying.

Obviously not like all anti gun pundits/ Obama defenders have no clue ever of what the hell they are talking about.

Gun buyback program in Los Angles takes 2,000 weapons off the streets - including two rocket propelled grenade launchers

So what?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh grenade launchers!!!!

Their evil and yet there is no "grenades" available to the public as per all that regulation where the BATFE classifies smoke grenades" as "explosvies".

Man Brings Live Hand Grenade to Gun Buyback Event

Read more: www.foxnews.com...

Originally posted by Indigo5


Oh...you forgot the "well regulated" part of it...as long as we are opting to ignore any court interpretations and stick with the simple, literal meaning of an amendment that was passed when Muskets were the "arms" and AR-15s were science fiction.

Not forgotten.
Well regulated means in order and ready to exercise said right and ability.
The Appleseed Shoots seem to quench that thirst.

Where oh where does it state Muskets in that Amendment????

You are aware that repeating arms were around, and not just muskets.
The technology was also that of rifled rounds.

You do know that the AR15 is not military grade, right?


Question for you. Which is the bad gun.
This


This


Or this

reply to post by macman


Should any American Citizen be able to buy a gun, no questions asked?

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Indigo5


Oh...you forgot the "well regulated" part of it...as long as we are opting to ignore any court interpretations and stick with the simple, literal meaning of an amendment that was passed when Muskets were the "arms" and AR-15s were science fiction.

Not forgotten.
Well regulated means in order and ready to exercise said right and ability.
The Appleseed Shoots seem to quench that thirst.

Where oh where does it state Muskets in that Amendment????

You are aware that repeating arms were around, and not just muskets.
The technology was also that of rifled rounds.

You do know that the AR15 is not military grade, right?


Question for you. Which is the bad gun.
This

This

Or this

They all look good to me

reply to post by macman


The musket was the pinnacle of technological development of the time they don't get that they never will.

And:

reply to post by Indigo5


Again so what?

Can I walk in to a local walmart or hardware store and buy "grenades".

No

But back in the day my grandfather could walk in to any hardware store and buy a machine gun in one aisle and stick of dynamite in the other and nobody would give him # about it.

Things no one can do today.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Again so what?

Can I walk in to a local walmart or hardware store and buy "grenades".

No

Should you be able to?....Why not?

reply to post by Indigo5

Should you be able to?....Why not?

Sorry what the hell gives you the "right" to ask me that?

Answer you don't have the right to ask me anything or tell me what I can or can't own.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by macman

 

Should any American Citizen be able to buy a gun, no questions asked?

AS per the 2nd Amendment, YES.

reply to post by Indigo5


As per the 2nd Amendment, yes.

reply to post by macman


So my 13 year old that has ADHD and very low impulse control should be able to?

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by macman

 

So my 13 year old that has ADHD and very low impulse control should be able to?

Nice strawman there considering IS he a legal guardian or parent? no Is she of legal age ? no

The current law already on the books for gun control cover minors but then agian if people want to outsource their parental rights to the government that is their decision but in that same breath i can guarantee you would not outsource those parental rights to him.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by macman

 

So my 13 year old that has ADHD and very low impulse control should be able to?

Nice strawman there considering IS he a legal guardian or parent? no Is she of legal age ? no

The current law already on the books for gun control cover minors but then agian if people want to outsource their parental rights to the government that is their decision but in that same breath i can guarantee you would not outsource those parental rights to him.

But the second amendment doesn't say anything about legal age or legal guardian or parent. It's very simple and straightforward (so the pro-gunners tell me).

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by macman

 

So my 13 year old that has ADHD and very low impulse control should be able to?

Nice strawman there considering IS he a legal guardian or parent? no Is she of legal age ? no

The current law already on the books for gun control cover minors but then agian if people want to outsource their parental rights to the government that is their decision but in that same breath i can guarantee you would not outsource those parental rights to him.

But the second amendment doesn't say anything about legal age or legal guardian or parent. It's very simple and straightforward (so the pro-gunners tell me).

That's where the 10th comes in.