Its Game Over

Originally posted by Dispo
That's quite a silly move, violent revolution is primarily caused by the food index. The more sharply the price of bread rises, the more likely a revolution - this has been true throughout history.

If this is true, it looks like they want a revolution.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

agreed, when you start messing with peoples food you are messing with their survival,they will starve to death eventually so they have nothing to lose from armed revolution.

reply to post by pavmas


I think my theory provides the answers to the holes in yours. This isn't mere greed, or control for the sake of control, it's taking charge and damage controlling our obvious overshoot in sustainability in multiple areas.

That's the only thing that makes all the pieces fit. You get motive, means, and process nailed with exactly what is.

I never understood this whole food control issue, 200 years ago we didn't have a super walmart in every community and people somehow were fed.

Food is abundant all around you. If you piece together some elbow grease and a little knowledge you can even grow your own food. Find some like minded friends and the sky is the limit of what you can trade back and forth for.

Problem is people are too lazy and ignorant to take care of themselves

reply to post by litterbaux


There weren't 7 billion people 200 years ago. Billions have come and gone since then, but the forests have only shrunk.

You can't feed 7 billion with the amount of food that is currently grown by nature.

reply to post by Dispo

But a violent revolution tends to work out in favour of the people, not the establishment.

I think the contrary is valid, most revolutions violent or not do not favor the people beyond incorporation at the very beginning the demands of the people into their program to conquer minds and hearts. As any political movement if not outright under the specific control of a group of interests it soon falls into said control.

Nonviolent revolutions are rare, I would say that they are mostly a fable since all revolutions require violence or permit scores to be set, even in Portugal one of the less violent revolutions there were deaths and violence, low in scale but well above the normal day life. (PS: Portugal was leaning to the left, most surviving political forces were the Communists and the Socialists. I have a strong belief that right aligned and the socialist party got funding from the US, in a repetition of what occurred in Italy as to prevent it to fall into the Soviet sphere.)

Look at Egypt, its fantastic how the Army managed to shift the wave of changes towards US and Israel preferences. Not by chance, this is why NATO and other military exchange programs are useful to the US they help establish bridges inside the thinking of other nations. Like for instance how Noriega (military governor of Panama from 1983 to 1989) got to be a CIA agent, many example exist on how this has been leveraged in South America. In Europe we see the same type of expansion movement in Poland or Ukraine.

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R.I.P. Twinkies... On a serious note this is very scary.

Originally posted by Dispo
That's quite a silly move, violent revolution is primarily caused by the food index. The more sharply the price of bread rises, the more likely a revolution - this has been true throughout history.

If this is true, it looks like they want a revolution.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I say this to everyone. These people get a kick out of it. Street Fighting Man. Their game is compromise, our game is revolution. We cannot compromise with them because we have too many stupid people who don't support people who actually want to compromise with any higher powers in the legal paradigm. Yes we have National Instruments destroying our Canadian Financial Regulatory System. Does my Member of Parliament care? No. He has blatantly stated he does not like Naomi Klein. Conservatives for 40 years and he says he wants a 'National Regulatory System' yet we will have a completely privatized social paradigm. Makes total sense.

From a conservative point of view. And a ferret's as well.

reply to post by pavmas


It is not good strategy for the ELite to starve their muscle in the world. If they starve their troops they lose their muscle. The USA's main export is soldiers and war.

Even if you are correct people lived without grocery stores in the past we can do it again. MY grandparents grew all their food, and same for my wifes grandparents. I grow my own food too so I won't be starving anytime soon, I even give away food.

If they crack down on food growing then we have a revolution and then that leads to an overthrow of the oppressors. Not sure why they want to get overthrown.. it is just bad strategy.

although I do concede that if you are right about the food...it is GAME OVER for those who would make the stupid mistake of inciting a revolution by oppressing us to the point where we have nothing to lose but everything to gain.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by litterbaux

 

There weren't 7 billion people 200 years ago. Billions have come and gone since then, but the forests have only shrunk.

You can't feed 7 billion with the amount of food that is currently grown by nature.

I live on half an acre of land with a house in the middle and I am able to grow enough food for my family, my parents and my sisters family. If i had a full acre I wonder what I could do. I only grocery shop when I am lazy and I don't want to grow what i am craving.

this is sickening to hear, i don't know how people are in the uk are but if stuff like this doesn't prompt everyone to strike back i don't know what would and this isn't a slight on anyone from the uk because stuff like this is know by most everyone here in the u.s. almost on a daily basis and yet we do nothing, we never even bat a lash, we just continue on in our slave mentality.

my question is... when will we come to our senses?

here though.. not only do i see prices rise often and drastically but the actual product actually shrinks in size.

Someone once said that any civilised society is only ever three missed meals away from revolution. It looks like we might be about to find out if that holds true.

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Their allegiance is to the Queen.

The current oath of allegiance is set out from the Promissory Oaths Act 1868 in the following form:
“ I, (Insert full name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God. ”

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Originally posted by pavmas

I stated that I worked in logistics a good part of my life and knew that the banks were closing down shipping companies on a massive scale and even calling in shipping loans where the companies were making a profit.

Now anyone with half a brain knows that to shut down a profitable company in times like these you have to be insane and there is now not enough shipping worldwide to supply food in the amounts we have been used to even if there was no food shortages.

Hi guys, long time reader first time poster here. This thread, and in particular the above statement, is what made me finally take the plunge!

I work in shipping so let me tell you the facts.

There is an oversupply of vessels in the world at the moment with many vessels being laid up because there isn't enough demand/trade for them. This oversupply looks set to continue. You still have Kenyan runner beans and Thai prawns in your supermarket, right?

The shipping companies that are being closed down are not profitable.

A bank cannot 'call in a loan' unless there has been a breach in some part of the loan agreement. It's a contract like any other. They may refuse to lend more/extend but they can't change the terms & conditions that they agreed to!

No offense but I stopped reading your post after those initial mis/disinformed paragraphs.

All the best!

Originally posted by koder
Honestly...i wish no ill will on anyone but those deserving, but if its all gonna go to hell...i wish it would just go to hell already....its the dragging it out thats got me annoyed...like listening to 8 kids scream for 20 years....at some point you just want it to just happen

It is a strange feeling isn't it? Sometimes I think to myself that it would be a relief if everything just collapsed. Kind of like when you know you're getting a cold or flu. You can feel it gradually building up and you think to yourself "Oh for Christ's sake, just hurry up and hit me, get it over with so I can start recovering all the sooner."

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Nice thread OP.

Serco is indeed everywhere in the UK, in fact I work as a subcontractor for them now, not by choice of course, but the Government are privatizing everything.

Just like my friend now works for G4S.

Originally posted by teslatrooper

Originally posted by pavmas

I stated that I worked in logistics a good part of my life and knew that the banks were closing down shipping companies on a massive scale and even calling in shipping loans where the companies were making a profit.

Now anyone with half a brain knows that to shut down a profitable company in times like these you have to be insane and there is now not enough shipping worldwide to supply food in the amounts we have been used to even if there was no food shortages.

Hi guys, long time reader first time poster here. This thread, and in particular the above statement, is what made me finally take the plunge!

I work in shipping so let me tell you the facts.

There is an oversupply of vessels in the world at the moment with many vessels being laid up because there isn't enough demand/trade for them. This oversupply looks set to continue. You still have Kenyan runner beans and Thai prawns in your supermarket, right?

The shipping companies that are being closed down are not profitable.

A bank cannot 'call in a loan' unless there has been a breach in some part of the loan agreement. It's a contract like any other. They may refuse to lend more/extend but they can't change the terms & conditions that they agreed to!

No offense but I stopped reading your post after those initial mis/disinformed paragraphs.

All the best!

Hi mate.

Im going to get back to you later on this as Im busy just now, but i can assure you that banks are calling in shipping loans from profitable companies.

The way they do this is by saying that they dont deal in shipping anymore and call in the loan.

Thousands upon thousands of ships are being laid up.

all food must be transported in Food Grade Ships.

This is the type of shipping been closed; yes their is a glut of shipping but try eating a ps3 from China when your starving.

As I said when I have time I will supply the links,

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by litterbaux

 

There weren't 7 billion people 200 years ago. Billions have come and gone since then, but the forests have only shrunk.

You can't feed 7 billion with the amount of food that is currently grown by nature.

Yes, but people can grow their own food, they just expect that its going to be readily available to them at any given moment. What happens when a food crisis does actually occur? They will have nothing. We can provide food for ourselves if we really want to.

Originally posted by teslatrooper

Originally posted by pavmas

I stated that I worked in logistics a good part of my life and knew that the banks were closing down shipping companies on a massive scale and even calling in shipping loans where the companies were making a profit.

Now anyone with half a brain knows that to shut down a profitable company in times like these you have to be insane and there is now not enough shipping worldwide to supply food in the amounts we have been used to even if there was no food shortages.

Hi guys, long time reader first time poster here. This thread, and in particular the above statement, is what made me finally take the plunge!

I work in shipping so let me tell you the facts.

There is an oversupply of vessels in the world at the moment with many vessels being laid up because there isn't enough demand/trade for them. This oversupply looks set to continue. You still have Kenyan runner beans and Thai prawns in your supermarket, right?

The shipping companies that are being closed down are not profitable.



A bank cannot 'call in a loan' unless there has been a breach in some part of the loan agreement. It's a contract like any other. They may refuse to lend more/extend but they can't change the terms & conditions that they agreed to!

No offense but I stopped reading your post after those initial mis/disinformed paragraphs.



All the best!

European banks, meanwhile, are under growing pressure to cut their exposure to risky and dollar-denominated assets, such as ship and trade finance, to shore up their reserves as they strive to meet financial regulators' tougher capital rules.

In June Germany's second-biggest lender, Commerzbank , said that it would wind up its ship finance units as stricter liquidity requirements force it to cut back on capital-intensive activities, a move that has drawn harsh criticism from the shipping industry and lawmakers.

www.independent.co.uk...

www.mareforum.com...

They are going to make shipping food to expensive and with fewer vessels there will be shortages which will affect the poorer countries first as they simply wont have the cash to pay for the shipping never mind the food.

Im not sure on this 40% and will check it up' (Germany owns 40% of all shipping)

And thats where they are pulling the plug now,

It is up to you if you think there is enough shipping, but say that's the case, the Banks still own all the food futures and what if they dont sell and shipping companies cease trading and the few that carry on will increase the price even further.

What Im trying to show is that the banks control all our food just like all our money, they control shipping laons and are pulling out big time.

And every loan agreement including credit cards, the lender can call in the debt any time.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by litterbaux

 

There weren't 7 billion people 200 years ago. Billions have come and gone since then, but the forests have only shrunk.

You can't feed 7 billion with the amount of food that is currently grown by nature.

Yes, but people can grow their own food, they just expect that its going to be readily available to them at any given moment. What happens when a food crisis does actually occur? They will have nothing. We can provide food for ourselves if we really want to.

Thats all well and good' but monsanto has altered seeds forever and they could release say' " potatoe blight" or something else that their seeds are immune to,

I would not like to bet that we can all get our hands on seeds that have not been modified.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by litterbaux

 

There weren't 7 billion people 200 years ago. Billions have come and gone since then, but the forests have only shrunk.

You can't feed 7 billion with the amount of food that is currently grown by nature.

Yes, but people can grow their own food, they just expect that its going to be readily available to them at any given moment. What happens when a food crisis does actually occur? They will have nothing. We can provide food for ourselves if we really want to.

I agree and disagree. I don't think there's enough arable land available on this earth to section everyone out a plot to provide for their own by conventional agricultural methods.

It seems the only two options are:

1. BigAg

2. Hydro/Aqua-Ponics with a heap of Permaculture.

The wildcard is the climate. These terminator seeds and other clones help to not only monopolize the agriculture business, but ensure insurance for the majority of crops on Earth against an ever intensifying set of climate fluctuations.

It all makes sense, if you look at the whole and drop the "evil everywhere" conspiracy mentality.

So the elite believe it must be done with numero uno.

I think it could be done with numero dos.

Thing is, it doesn't much matter what I think. I'm not in a position of power to make that a reality.